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[MTG]-Cataclysmic Gearhulk is Awful and I Hate It And You Should Too

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    second place with spells at game day

    did you use the same list we made

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    second place with spells at game day

    did you use the same list we made

    it's running TITI instead of Baral (i think baral is terribly positioned against my store meta), two Harnessed Lightning MD, one more collective defiance and a one-of bedlam reveler

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    did the reveler do anything...

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    it was good every time i played it!

    once it let me madness 3 bolts!

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    it will probably be a Chandra, Torch that i traded a torrential gearhulk for today tho (i got the gearhulk when they were like 10 bux too)

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    it will probably be a Chandra, Torch that i traded a torrential gearhulk for today tho (i got the gearhulk when they were like 10 bux too)

    Yeah that seems good. I'll probably run the same tomorrow.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Yo can I complain about magic players real quick? Because I gotta say that I am very sick of players wanting hate that would make certain cards completely unplayable and get mad at wizards for not producing these incredibly unfun cards. A bunch of people were complaining before the emrakul ban "why didn't wizards just print rest in peace! That would have solved everything!". No, it would have made any deck that remotely used delirium unplayable. They didn't print rest in peace because they wanted their flagship mechanic to see play and would anybody have been happy if Emrukul and the crazy crew had been unplayable?

    This came up when a control player lost to vehicles yesterday at a pptq. He started complaining about how difficult it was to deal with all the threats in the format, vehicles especially. This was fair but his solution was that the 5-mana wrath for the set should have been "destroy all creatures and vehicles" which would just make vehicles normal creatures with a downside. Why would anybody want that? Do you want the mechanics to just not matter so that you can play the same deck forever?

    For the record I am not saying that the reactive answers in standard are good enough or that we shouldn't criticize wizards for not providing strong enough release valves for their powerful mechanics but every time I hear a player offer a solution its the most unfun "look just make them garbage" answers.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    when they do a wild west block they should bring back Bushido but rename it Grit

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  • stimtokolosstimtokolos Registered User regular
    edited February 13
    Man, what.
    I thought they were persisting the 6-2-2-2 single elim draft in MTGO.
    Bleck. Not super keen on league only for that.

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    when they do a wild west block they should bring back Bushido but rename it Grit

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Yo can I complain about magic players real quick? Because I gotta say that I am very sick of players wanting hate that would make certain cards completely unplayable and get mad at wizards for not producing these incredibly unfun cards. A bunch of people were complaining before the emrakul ban "why didn't wizards just print rest in peace! That would have solved everything!". No, it would have made any deck that remotely used delirium unplayable. They didn't print rest in peace because they wanted their flagship mechanic to see play and would anybody have been happy if Emrukul and the crazy crew had been unplayable?

    There's a happy medium to be had. In all of standard right now (and when Emrakul was legal), there is essentially zero graveyard hate outside of absolute trash like Grave Birthing and similar limited chaff point-removal effects. Literally the only way you can actively get more than one card out of an opponent's graveyard at one time is to use Lost Legacy, and by that point the damage is probably already done. Before Dragons/Origins rotated out, some people were resorting to nonsense like Hedonist's Trove in a vain attempt to keep the ubiquitous graveyard-based decks in check. Even WotC has admitted that this is insufficient (hence the Emmy ban).

    Obviously "nuke from orbit" effects like Rest in Peace are far from the best answer, but something like Gaea's Blessing or Crypt Incursion would have been nice options to have.

    Looking back, there was some fair graveyard hate in Khans (Anafenza, Burn Away, Cranial Archive). I'm sure it wasn't an accident that Shadows kicked them out with the mid-season rotation but that was the last time we even saw any.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    Tbf anafenza and burn away both left with bfz. They haven't even TRIED to make graveyard removal since cranial archive and even that wasn't GOOD

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Tbf anafenza and burn away both left with bfz. They haven't even TRIED to make graveyard removal since cranial archive and even that wasn't GOOD

    Those three cards are all in Khans, which was the first (only) block to rotate early, with the release of Shadows.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    ... God, you're right. Dun got it mixed up with the VERY good rotation system we had in place for about six months.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    "Oneshot hard counters" are a much better plan overall imo - stuff like Burn Away, or Tormod's Crypt. It does a thing, and then it goes away; your opponent can still re-establish threat. I think a 4 mana wrath would also be fine in vehicle land; leave the vehicles, blow up the creatures - that was the whole idea of vehicles in the first place wasn't it? Cheap, powerful threats that require enablers?

    And while we're at it, how about a Suppression Field? Might be too harsh at {2} but {1} might be just enough to slow things down...

  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    edited February 13
    Learn from the Past was in Dragons

    I haven't played much standard, but WRT vehicles, what about Authority of the Consuls? It slows down the sort of pseudo-haste that crewing creatures get. Also a significant roadblock to Copycats that can come down before counterspells are up.

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited February 13
    I feel like relic is a fair gy hate card, maybe a little too good for standard, but either half of if it could be a fine standard gy hate card. Either the one card per turn or the one shot exile it all part

    Also cheon and bdm and some of the coverage team came down to our staff party last night to draft. They were super cool and It was hilariously not safe for coverage and I guess sometimes I forget that people are real people outside of high profile work that requires them to act in certain ways.

    My first working GP was a super fun time. I hope I get staffed for more in the future

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Learn from the Past was in Dragons

    I haven't played much standard, but WRT vehicles, what about Authority of the Consuls? It slows down the sort of pseudo-haste that crewing creatures get. Also a significant roadblock to Copycats that can come down before counterspells are up.

    It helps but I think every white sideboard is running fragmentize anyway already.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    I feel like relic is a fair gy hate card, maybe a little too good for standard, but either half of if it could be a fine standard gy hate card. Either the one card per turn or the one shot exile it all part

    Also cheon and bdm and some of the coverage team came down to our staff party last night to draft. They were super cool and It was hilariously not safe for coverage and I guess sometimes I forget that people are real people outside of high profile work that requires them to act in certain ways.

    My first working GP was a super fun time. I hope I get staffed for more in the future

    Don't forget to write reviews and/or exemplar nominations!

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Learn from the Past was in Dragons

    Thanks, I knew there had to be another but Gatherer likes throwing errors at me whenever I refine a search so sometimes I give up.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Learn from the Past was in Dragons

    Thanks, I knew there had to be another but Gatherer likes throwing errors at me whenever I refine a search so sometimes I give up.

    i've been using Scryfall.com for gatherer searches recently (magiccards.info has been pretty slow to update, and it still thinks Khans is in Standard) - it's pretty slick.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    I played against a kid on Sunday and had 3 fevered visions down with 5 mana up, went to my end step, drew 3 cards, and then discarded 3 fiery temper at his dome during cleanup

    It wasn't nice

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    http://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/whats-new-amonkhet

    stores will have a casual tournament prior to the amonkhet prerelease, with promo full-art lands from amonkhet. also standard showdown will be coming back

    boy, if those are gonna be the way we get full-art lands from now on, i'm going to be fuckin' pissed!

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    edited February 13
    I played against a kid on Sunday and had 3 fevered visions down with 5 mana up, went to my end step, drew 3 cards, and then discarded 3 fiery temper at his dome during cleanup

    It wasn't nice

    What list are you running and/or what sort of meta were you up against that playing Fevered Visions wasn't just like giving your opponent a wrapped gift? Seems like every list right now is either really good at powering through its hand, doesn't care about binning things/all of its threats are equally good, or wants to dig for specific cards anyway...

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    As far as the Big Three are concerned, Visions is good to respectable against GB and Saheeli. Mardu Vehicles is much rougher and you probably board it out against most lists. And since we're talking FNM level play we're talking a bunch of tier 2 decks too, and hoo boy

    Visions fucking dumps on basically every t2 list.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    How is visions good against saheeli? All the decks I've seen are composed of the combo and ways to draw into it - you're just making their job easier. Are you just also maindecking 4 shock?

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    Yup!

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl It's Molly! Your friend, and mine!Registered User regular
    Nullzone wrote: »
    I played against a kid on Sunday and had 3 fevered visions down with 5 mana up, went to my end step, drew 3 cards, and then discarded 3 fiery temper at his dome during cleanup

    It wasn't nice

    What list are you running and/or what sort of meta were you up against that playing Fevered Visions wasn't just like giving your opponent a wrapped gift? Seems like every list right now is either really good at powering through its hand, doesn't care about binning things/all of its threats are equally good, or wants to dig for specific cards anyway...

    Shock, temper, flow, negate, lightning axe, collective defiance, thermo alchemist

    A Saheeli doesn't live long.

    Also inagtp you were right about reveler, I admit it

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  • Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
    http://wpn.wizards.com/en/article/whats-new-amonkhet

    stores will have a casual tournament prior to the amonkhet prerelease, with promo full-art lands from amonkhet. also standard showdown will be coming back

    boy, if those are gonna be the way we get full-art lands from now on, i'm going to be fuckin' pissed!

    Psh, foil basic lands as prizes? Aha, ahahaha... I NEED TO MAKE A STANDARD DECK, RIGHT NOW.

  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Nullzone wrote: »
    I feel like relic is a fair gy hate card, maybe a little too good for standard, but either half of if it could be a fine standard gy hate card. Either the one card per turn or the one shot exile it all part

    Also cheon and bdm and some of the coverage team came down to our staff party last night to draft. They were super cool and It was hilariously not safe for coverage and I guess sometimes I forget that people are real people outside of high profile work that requires them to act in certain ways.

    My first working GP was a super fun time. I hope I get staffed for more in the future

    Don't forget to write reviews and/or exemplar nominations!

    Haha yep. I worked with some great people I want to write reviews of once we get home.

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    I wish liliana wasn't like $35

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    she's like a smooth hundo, goat.

    ;-)

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Addendum to Sunday GP PTQ announcement from last week, based on feedback.

    If the GP is Constructed, the PTQ will be Limited. If the GP is Limited, the PTQ will be Standard. This will allow players to participate in both the GP and (if necessary) the PTQ without needing to bring two competitive decks while also keeping the PTQ format lined up with what will actually be played at the PT (i.e., Standard instead of Modern or Legacy).

    Additionally, PTQ can be run either as one giant event or a series of eight smaller flights (one entry per PTQ per player) with the winners becoming the Top 8, at TO's discretion.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Is sword of fire and ice or feast and Famine good in Kaalia? Been looking for some equipment to put in and I was looking at those.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. Judgement RingRegistered User regular
    Swords are good in everything, really

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Swords are good in everything, really

    In that case I have fire and ice in the deck along with Conqueror's Flail, Lightning Greaves, and Swiftfoot Boots. Should I drop Conqueror's Flail for feast and Famine?

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    IMHO the best Swords in Commander are Light and Shadow and Fire and Ice, in that order. Feast and Famine is good only if you can abuse the untapping, but the amount of hate you'll draw for playing it hardly seems valuable. War and Peace and Body and Mind seem night unplayable to me, short of being included in only the most Voltron-esque decks.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    Body and Mind will probably get you killed by most decks. At least half of mine would love to get milled for 10 each turn.

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