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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Yeah I thought I copied it from the old OP but this is not a gun control thread. Will update OP now.


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    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem I've got waffles and I've got beerRegistered User regular
    The unicorn has shipped. I have a tracking number and everything.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    apologies for the kerfuffle - thanks @amateurhour

    (also fistbump for not liking ARs all that much)

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    apologies for the kerfuffle - thanks amateurhour

    (also fistbump for not liking ARs all that much)

    no worries. There used to be a second amendment and I think also a gun control thread somewhere but they haven't really been updated since like two years into Obama's last term.

    Also yeah I don't hate them they just serve no real purpose in my life. A friend of mine has eight of them and I mean if he's got the cash more power to him but it's like "dude, if shit does hit the fan, you can carry a pistol, some ammo, and like one rifle. The rest of that shit is going to sit in a pile for someone else to take"


    Arch wrote: »

    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    apologies for the kerfuffle - thanks amateurhour

    (also fistbump for not liking ARs all that much)

    no worries. There used to be a second amendment and I think also a gun control thread somewhere but they haven't really been updated since like two years into Obama's last term.

    Also yeah I don't hate them they just serve no real purpose in my life. A friend of mine has eight of them and I mean if he's got the cash more power to him but it's like "dude, if shit does hit the fan, you can carry a pistol, some ammo, and like one rifle. The rest of that shit is going to sit in a pile for someone else to take"

    A great thing about AR-15s is that they're as customizable as a desktop PC. Lots of parts are available so you can tweak things to your liking, parts can be swapped around, parts can be used to create a specialized purpose rifle, and if you have enough extra parts you can often easily just build another rifle up.

    This has the same downsides as PC building as you'll get the equivalent of the friend that has a gaming rig, a video editing system, a media center PC, a streaming rig, a webserver, and 3 partially built or deconstructed systems plus a case that they haven't figured out what to do with yet but had to jump on because of a good price.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem I've got waffles and I've got beerRegistered User regular
    edited March 21
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    apologies for the kerfuffle - thanks amateurhour

    (also fistbump for not liking ARs all that much)

    no worries. There used to be a second amendment and I think also a gun control thread somewhere but they haven't really been updated since like two years into Obama's last term.

    Also yeah I don't hate them they just serve no real purpose in my life. A friend of mine has eight of them and I mean if he's got the cash more power to him but it's like "dude, if shit does hit the fan, you can carry a pistol, some ammo, and like one rifle. The rest of that shit is going to sit in a pile for someone else to take"

    A great thing about AR-15s is that they're as customizable as a desktop PC. Lots of parts are available so you can tweak things to your liking, parts can be swapped around, parts can be used to create a specialized purpose rifle, and if you have enough extra parts you can often easily just build another rifle up.

    This has the same downsides as PC building as you'll get the equivalent of the friend that has a gaming rig, a video editing system, a media center PC, a streaming rig, a webserver, and 3 partially built or deconstructed systems plus a case that they haven't figured out what to do with yet but had to jump on because of a good price.

    My dad has both .223 and .308 part sets for his AR, and likes extolling the virtues of being able to swap when he wants to, but I've just never seen the benefit really. He's spent almost as much as buying two rifles, to have almost two rifles, that he can only use one of at any given time. I'd rather buy both the AR-10 and the AR-15 than a semi-complete gun erector set to build one or the other out of with parts left over.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    apologies for the kerfuffle - thanks amateurhour

    (also fistbump for not liking ARs all that much)

    no worries. There used to be a second amendment and I think also a gun control thread somewhere but they haven't really been updated since like two years into Obama's last term.

    Also yeah I don't hate them they just serve no real purpose in my life. A friend of mine has eight of them and I mean if he's got the cash more power to him but it's like "dude, if shit does hit the fan, you can carry a pistol, some ammo, and like one rifle. The rest of that shit is going to sit in a pile for someone else to take"

    A great thing about AR-15s is that they're as customizable as a desktop PC. Lots of parts are available so you can tweak things to your liking, parts can be swapped around, parts can be used to create a specialized purpose rifle, and if you have enough extra parts you can often easily just build another rifle up.

    This has the same downsides as PC building as you'll get the equivalent of the friend that has a gaming rig, a video editing system, a media center PC, a streaming rig, a webserver, and 3 partially built or deconstructed systems plus a case that they haven't figured out what to do with yet but had to jump on because of a good price.

    My dad has both .223 and .308 uppers and barrels for his AR, and likes extolling the virtues of being able to swap when he wants to, but I've just never seen the benefit really. He's spent almost as much as buying two rifles, to have almost two rifles, that he can only use one of at any given time. I'd rather buy both the AR-10 and the AR-15 than a semi-complete gun erector set to build one or the other out of with parts left over.

    Most people I've known will wind up with two rifles in that situation with the two uppers one lower phase being a transition before either having the funds to complete another lower and/or wanting to be sure they'll like the new upper before committing to the second rifle. Far less involved with selling an upper that doesn't meet expectations than a whole rifle and most are middle of middle to upper middle class in a pretty affluent state so finishing out an entire rifle over time wasn't an issue. But the money saved from buying a separate lower can be significant issue for some people.

    Multiple calibers on the same lower is an odder case though. Since you have to get new magazines that aren't as common you lose out on some of the cost savings.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited March 21
    Yeah my roommates both built their own ARs and the desktop PC comparison holds up. In the bad way. The "buggy drivers and ohgod I bent a CPU pin" way. Both projects ended up getting sold off as parts and then those same roommates just bought good prebuilt ARs.

    This is part of why whenever I get my own rifle I'm keeping it simple, purposeful, and stupid. Bolt action, please. Consistent feeding, rock-solid consistency between shots, and no issues if I ever end up in a state with stricter laws? Sign me the fuck up for that plan

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    Yeah my roommates both built their own ARs and the desktop PC comparison holds up. In the bad way. The "buggy drivers and ohgod I bent a CPU pin" way. Both projects ended up getting sold off as parts and then those same roommates just bought good prebuilt ARs.

    Thankfully I read up on the mistakes made by others and had a really good guide I could look at each step of the way for the lower. On top of that, I realized that doing any step involving springs could be done with the parts and my hands inside of a large, transparent plastic bag to contain errant springs would save me a lot of grief. The upper I bought preassembled because that takes specialized tools and a workspace I didn't have but I still put together the whole build for a lot cheaper than buying the thing whole given a few of the parts I sprung for and a custom engraved lower receiver. I bent one spring but only slightly and not enough to affect anything.

    It's certainly not hard if you can build a PC in terms of fitting stuff together and getting it to stay in place but some people have an easier or harder time with that than others.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    yeah and it's funny because both of them are pretty good at auto maintenance so you'd think building what is also basically a tiny weird combustion engine wouldn't be that hard

  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    RE One Lower Multiple Uppers: There are some that share magazines like .223/5.56x45 and .300 BLK. Which makes sense for the reason .300 BLK was made (close engagement with suppressed carbines). You can also use 5.56 magazines for .50 Beowulf (allegedly designed for anti vehicle use at TCPs).

  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    Magpul is actually making .300blk mags now because the weight is different between 5.56 and .300 blackout, which wears the springs out faster

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  • hsuhsu Registered User regular
    In support of AR15s, they are just plain fun to shoot.

    There's hardly any kick, and the kick you do get is straight back into your shoulder, with close to zero barrel rise if you have a compensator. This is due to a combination of a relatively low energy (for a rifle) caliber, a straight action design, the gas operation, and a long buffer spring to lessen the sharpness of the recoil.

    Plus the ammo is cheap and the rifle is easy to disassemble for cleaning, two crucial determinants for how often you shoot a particular gun.

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  • jjae2123jjae2123 Registered User regular
    I fired an AR for the first time a few months ago, the recoil was much less than I expected and it was so much fun to shoot.

  • Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

    Comrade have you considered glorious Mosin Nagant!?

    Is good rifle. Will protect you.


    Arch wrote: »

    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    In other news today I found another 25 acp saturday night special at a pawn shop and they wanted $250 for it because it was one of the "spanish imports" and more reliable.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


    Arch wrote: »

    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
  • Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

    Comrade have you considered glorious Mosin Nagant!?

    Is good rifle. Will protect you.
    It's on my list of guns to check out once I've got a regular job and can just have stuff like a normal person, as I hear they are both solid and cheap.

    Honestly, watching both John Wick movies got me interested in the idea of 3 Gun and once I'm not bouncing around the country like a super ball I'd like to give it a try, hence the three guns I wanna own first.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

    Comrade have you considered glorious Mosin Nagant!?

    Is good rifle. Will protect you.
    It's on my list of guns to check out once I've got a regular job and can just have stuff like a normal person, as I hear they are both solid and cheap.

    Honestly, watching both John Wick movies got me interested in the idea of 3 Gun and once I'm not bouncing around the country like a super ball I'd like to give it a try, hence the three guns I wanna own first.

    I will say Nagants are no longer cheap. I mean compared to a modern rifle yes they're prolly a little less but a good matching numbers non rusted non cosmoline smeared nagant today is going to run you about $350, as where it used to cost $75.

    Man they're nice though.


    Arch wrote: »

    I never expected this burn from captain bushmeat
  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

    Comrade have you considered glorious Mosin Nagant!?

    Is good rifle. Will protect you.
    It's on my list of guns to check out once I've got a regular job and can just have stuff like a normal person, as I hear they are both solid and cheap.

    Honestly, watching both John Wick movies got me interested in the idea of 3 Gun and once I'm not bouncing around the country like a super ball I'd like to give it a try, hence the three guns I wanna own first.

    I will say Nagants are no longer cheap. I mean compared to a modern rifle yes they're prolly a little less but a good matching numbers non rusted non cosmoline smeared nagant today is going to run you about $350, as where it used to cost $75.

    Man they're nice though.

    Other things that are not cheap, and are in fact expensive: 3gun

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
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    musanman wrote: »
    Now that I have a handgun a rifle is the next of the trinity (pistol, rifle, shotgun) I want to get. I'll probably start with one of the good value AR-15 I've been seeing good things about. Either the Springfield Saint or the S&W M&P Sport.

    Comrade have you considered glorious Mosin Nagant!?

    Is good rifle. Will protect you.
    It's on my list of guns to check out once I've got a regular job and can just have stuff like a normal person, as I hear they are both solid and cheap.

    Honestly, watching both John Wick movies got me interested in the idea of 3 Gun and once I'm not bouncing around the country like a super ball I'd like to give it a try, hence the three guns I wanna own first.

    I will say Nagants are no longer cheap. I mean compared to a modern rifle yes they're prolly a little less but a good matching numbers non rusted non cosmoline smeared nagant today is going to run you about $350, as where it used to cost $75.

    Man they're nice though.

    Other things that are not cheap, and are in fact expensive: 3gun

    Unless you're getting a good historical piece they're not really worth it anymore unfortunately. I got mine back when they were still around $100 and milsurp 7.62x54R was cheap and available. The last few years with things heating up in the ME (even more than the status quo with the Arab Spring) and former Soviet satellites it's become more expensive (almost every faction in the ME and in Eastern Europe/Eurasia use weapons that eat through 7.62x54R like the PK machine gun series or the SVD and PSL rifles).

    At one point 5.45x39 rifles were a cheap way to get good rifles and cheap ammo (I ended up getting a Tantal and an Arsenal, and ordering a few crates of ammo for really cheap). But with the 7n6 import ban they're about the same price as the cheaper end of .223/5.56 rifles and ammo.

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