TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
agreed....he's said some unfortunately bad things in the last few months
TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
Resurgence? I don't think it ever left.
Or more like an uptick in presence?
might start seeing people ranting about ethics in games journalism again
TLDR Jon says it's sexist to think all woman are virtuous and have a good cause just because of their gender.
Woman are not oppressed because they can go to McDonalds and buy a huge big mac.
Counterpoint: Jon seems like someone who hasn't seen any data and bases his opinion on how he "feels" woman are being treated.
Thats.... unfortunate
This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
Resurgence? I don't think it ever left.
Or more like an uptick in presence?
might start seeing people ranting about ethics in games journalism again
I am just never going to understand the YouTube influencer culture. If jontron suddenly is shunned and disappears from this apparent public life, does that change how anyone will act in their personal lives? Is someone going to be upset that an otherwise irrelevant entertainer is not making silly videos anymore?
Conversely, if jontron is suddenly validated more than they already are, is that going to convince more people to go along with similar sentiment in their private lives?
I just don't get this D level celebrity outrage thing that seems to keep coming up. #GetOffMyLawn
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I am just never going to understand the YouTube influencer culture. If jontron suddenly is shunned and disappears from this apparent public life, does that change how anyone will act in their personal lives? Is someone going to be upset that an otherwise irrelevant entertainer is not making silly videos anymore?
Conversely, if jontron is suddenly validated more than they already are, is that going to convince more people to go along with similar sentiment in their private lives?
I just don't get this D level celebrity outrage thing that seems to keep coming up. #GetOffMyLawn
It's an age old concept called "voting with your wallet". People don't like giving their money to people/corporations with terrible views and/or practices. Views on a youtube video = money. So, they don't view his videos.
I am just never going to understand the YouTube influencer culture. If jontron suddenly is shunned and disappears from this apparent public life, does that change how anyone will act in their personal lives? Is someone going to be upset that an otherwise irrelevant entertainer is not making silly videos anymore?
Conversely, if jontron is suddenly validated more than they already are, is that going to convince more people to go along with similar sentiment in their private lives?
I just don't get this D level celebrity outrage thing that seems to keep coming up. #GetOffMyLawn
It's because there are so many of them that form their own devoted microcosms. D level internet celebs combined together are the equivalent of movie celebs total to millennials. And those millennials vote and are legally adults, therefore even though it's dumb, youtubers are big cultural influencers but at a much more granular level. Instead of 5 or 6 major celebs speaking out for a cause. You have 100 different mini celebs that are the relevant cultural figures of today.
Well I don't want to hijack the thread with anymore talk about the cultural worth of celebrity in our society except to say, Charles Barkley was right when he said (or meant to say) he shouldn't be someone's role model.
Well I don't want to hijack the thread with anymore talk about the cultural worth of celebrity in our society except to say, Charles Barkley was right when he said (or meant to say) he shouldn't be someone's role model.
Back to marches for equality please.
*jesus sign*
I sometimes regret being an ex-catholic, only because it would be easier to authoritatively excoriate my R-voting Paul Ryan Worshiping Atlas Shrugged Loving Catholic in laws about what that book they put so much stock in actually instructs them to do, if I sincerely gave a crap what it said.
If someone's got a subscribed audience in the millions (and a larger casual one) and is using that audience to advocate for positions, push courses of actions, or whatnot, we don't get to blow them off as irrelevant because it's hip to dismiss the platform they're doing it on.
I dunno if what people watch on youtube has a greater impact. Like does pewdie pie or Markiplier leave a greater pop culture footprint? And both of them are bigger than Jon.
Ultimately, white male gamer has bad opinions is hardly noteworthy.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Real celebs didn't make a dent in thiselection so I dunno about trash celebs
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In Portland, some of the local activist groups have been doing some decentralized resistance, blocking various intersections, picketing various offices and business around town. Police are cracking down, arresting people without charging them (there have been around 100 arrests without charges resulting from Trump protests). They show some video here of police tackling and arresting people (in full riot gear, they must sleep in that shit these days).
In Portland, some of the local activist groups have been doing some decentralized resistance, blocking various intersections, picketing various offices and business around town. Police are cracking down, arresting people without charging them (there have been around 100 arrests without charges resulting from Trump protests). They show some video here of police tackling and arresting people (in full riot gear, they must sleep in that shit these days).
I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
No no that's not the reason, just, like, he's a video game/pop-culture guy why would anyone care or want his opinions on anything else?
Meh, there's not a rigid wall between those and never has been. If people like/respect/are entertained by someone and enjoy listening to what they have to say about something, odds are quite a few of them will continue to enjoy listening to them if they start talking about other things.
Something like that isn't going to swing election campaigns or pass legislation or whatever. Even so, a Youtuber with a bazillion users who starts going off on Standard Gamer Youtuber Rants is still going to tip a few people into political action (and often more than a few into harassment of random innocent targets but that's a whole other rant). Start lumping in fanboy factor and that probably scales up, which is why we have horrible things like people shifting their social or political views to better align with, say, Shkreli because he's zomgsuchaboss or whatever.
I mean, he's going to have less tangible impact on things overall than these forums do (likely by a significant amount since there's some hella engaged people here!), but when you've got scores of people like that each making their tiny dent in the culture it adds up.
I just never understood what appeal nerddom sees in the right. Fascism is basically schoolyard bullying turned into an ideology, being a nerd is about accepting that you are different than the majority and should make you sympathize with other different groups.
The rampant misogyny i sort of understand (if you're an extreme introvert whose only non-family exposure to women came from Bayonetta and Eroge, I could see having a warped view on women), but straight-up embracing fascism is a bridge too far for people who would've gotten picked on for their Friendship is Magic and anime avatars in school.
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I just never understood what appeal nerddom sees in the right. Fascism is basically schoolyard bullying turned into an ideology, being a nerd is about accepting that you are different than the majority and should make you sympathize with other different groups.
The rampant misogyny i sort of understand (if you're an extreme introvert whose only non-family exposure to women came from Bayonetta and Eroge, I could see having a warped view on women), but straight-up embracing fascism is a bridge too far for people who would've gotten picked on for their Friendship is Magic and anime avatars in school.
In Portland, some of the local activist groups have been doing some decentralized resistance, blocking various intersections, picketing various offices and business around town. Police are cracking down, arresting people without charging them (there have been around 100 arrests without charges resulting from Trump protests). They show some video here of police tackling and arresting people (in full riot gear, they must sleep in that shit these days).
I'll be honest I don't know what this accomplishes other than upsetting your neighbors. It's not like Portland gave trump the election.
I believe the strategy is to create attention to the ongoing police violence and overreach and thereby leverage the mayor. Their stated demand for these actions is the termination of the Police Chief. It's true that as long as no one cares about police violence and the ignoring people's civil rights, they probably won't get what they want. Hopefully the more this stuff gets out, and the more people experience it, the more they see that the police tactics used in this city are unacceptable.
Although, it's the same kind of thing we've been talking about here, you can criticize your allies tactics because they aren't your favorite, or you can support them and stand up for their rights. If these actions don't do anything, it's probably because a bunch of people who are sympathetically minded said "That's not the right way to do it, this can't accomplish anything", rather than saying "This situation is fucked, the mayor should do something!"
I just never understood what appeal nerddom sees in the right. Fascism is basically schoolyard bullying turned into an ideology, being a nerd is about accepting that you are different than the majority and should make you sympathize with other different groups.
I'm so glad I turned out this way for whatever reason.
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I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
I just never understood what appeal nerddom sees in the right. Fascism is basically schoolyard bullying turned into an ideology, being a nerd is about accepting that you are different than the majority and should make you sympathize with other different groups.
The rampant misogyny i sort of understand (if you're an extreme introvert whose only non-family exposure to women came from Bayonetta and Eroge, I could see having a warped view on women), but straight-up embracing fascism is a bridge too far for people who would've gotten picked on for their Friendship is Magic and anime avatars in school.
"My turn to be the bully."
That and really simple explanations (so-called) for Why Things Aren't Going Well For Me.
I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
The day of marches is handy for people who are green as grass, and I like the Indivisible Guide. I wonder how one goes about finding the groups that are the equivalent of the Progressive Tea Party. As far as I know, such a group has not yet been branded, and there are still ten thousand groups with different tactics and goals.
I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
This might not be exactly what you're looking for, but Direct Action, by David Graeber is an ethnographic study of radical leftist activism and dives into a lot of the nitty-gritty aspects of process and such.
I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
The day of marches is handy for people who are green as grass, and I like the Indivisible Guide. I wonder how one goes about finding the groups that are the equivalent of the Progressive Tea Party. As far as I know, such a group has not yet been branded, and there are still ten thousand groups with different tactics and goals.
The Tea Party exists as essentially a billionaire funded movement. The Koch's sank millions of dollars into it. It would take an Elon Musk or Bill Gates type amount of wealth to get it going on the left if we wanted a similar start.
Also, the left is a very diverse collection of legitimate greivances and causes. "Gub'ment is stupid" only works for the right in a way that can be leveraged into votes.
I've been trying to get educated on the best ways to resist. I'm looking for guides about the practical and logistical aspects of resistance, along with perhaps a bit of theory for how to accomplish different goals. I gather that Rules for Radicals is a pretty good start, are there any other recommendations, particularly ones that might be more current? I need to do some homework!
The day of marches is handy for people who are green as grass, and I like the Indivisible Guide. I wonder how one goes about finding the groups that are the equivalent of the Progressive Tea Party. As far as I know, such a group has not yet been branded, and there are still ten thousand groups with different tactics and goals.
The Tea Party exists as essentially a billionaire funded movement. The Koch's sank millions of dollars into it. It would take an Elon Musk or Bill Gates type amount of wealth to get it going on the left if we wanted a similar start.
Also, the left is a very diverse collection of legitimate greivances and causes. "Gub'ment is stupid" only works for the right in a way that can be leveraged into votes.
Justice For All is a pretty good rallying cry on the left.
Aside from the fact that the right isn't even consistent about "Government is stupid." Bureaucrats are sub-human while cops are to be more revered than Jesus himself.
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In Portland, some of the local activist groups have been doing some decentralized resistance, blocking various intersections, picketing various offices and business around town. Police are cracking down, arresting people without charging them (there have been around 100 arrests without charges resulting from Trump protests). They show some video here of police tackling and arresting people (in full riot gear, they must sleep in that shit these days).
I don't know enough about the protest effort to comment on the tactics, but it is really disheartening to hear that guy saying "thank you for doing your jobs" to police in riot gear, regardless of circumstances
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This kinda links up with the South Korean female gamers movement. Jontron has enough followers that this could spark a resurgence of gamer gate type thinking. Our forum is a community centered around gaming so I felt it was appropriate to discuss some things along this line. Looking for some insight into attitudes like Jon and some kind of mental venn-diagram. This also has to do with sexism as interpreted by a younger generation for whom Jon is cultural icon.
He certainly was a big deal for me in my Mid-twenties. His meme is strong and popular among younger tumblr goers.
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It's all about accountability. That's all there is to it.
Resurgence? I don't think it ever left.
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might start seeing people ranting about ethics in games journalism again
This is a on a list of things I don't want.
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Amen.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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Conversely, if jontron is suddenly validated more than they already are, is that going to convince more people to go along with similar sentiment in their private lives?
I just don't get this D level celebrity outrage thing that seems to keep coming up. #GetOffMyLawn
It's an age old concept called "voting with your wallet". People don't like giving their money to people/corporations with terrible views and/or practices. Views on a youtube video = money. So, they don't view his videos.
It's because there are so many of them that form their own devoted microcosms. D level internet celebs combined together are the equivalent of movie celebs total to millennials. And those millennials vote and are legally adults, therefore even though it's dumb, youtubers are big cultural influencers but at a much more granular level. Instead of 5 or 6 major celebs speaking out for a cause. You have 100 different mini celebs that are the relevant cultural figures of today.
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Back to marches for equality please.
Here is a Chrome extension that might help: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/make-america-kittens-agai/klchnmggepghlcolikgaekpibclpmgcm?hl=en
Goddamn do I miss Philly today.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I sometimes regret being an ex-catholic, only because it would be easier to authoritatively excoriate my R-voting Paul Ryan Worshiping Atlas Shrugged Loving Catholic in laws about what that book they put so much stock in actually instructs them to do, if I sincerely gave a crap what it said.
Well I'm sure if you saw him on the street you'd post his face on badfacialhair.com "What was this guy thinking?"
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If someone's got a subscribed audience in the millions (and a larger casual one) and is using that audience to advocate for positions, push courses of actions, or whatnot, we don't get to blow them off as irrelevant because it's hip to dismiss the platform they're doing it on.
But then again, Trump won the election.
So...
Ultimately, white male gamer has bad opinions is hardly noteworthy.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/01/downtown_portland_prepares_for.html
I'll be honest I don't know what this accomplishes other than upsetting your neighbors. It's not like Portland gave trump the election.
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Meh, there's not a rigid wall between those and never has been. If people like/respect/are entertained by someone and enjoy listening to what they have to say about something, odds are quite a few of them will continue to enjoy listening to them if they start talking about other things.
Something like that isn't going to swing election campaigns or pass legislation or whatever. Even so, a Youtuber with a bazillion users who starts going off on Standard Gamer Youtuber Rants is still going to tip a few people into political action (and often more than a few into harassment of random innocent targets but that's a whole other rant). Start lumping in fanboy factor and that probably scales up, which is why we have horrible things like people shifting their social or political views to better align with, say, Shkreli because he's zomgsuchaboss or whatever.
I mean, he's going to have less tangible impact on things overall than these forums do (likely by a significant amount since there's some hella engaged people here!), but when you've got scores of people like that each making their tiny dent in the culture it adds up.
The rampant misogyny i sort of understand (if you're an extreme introvert whose only non-family exposure to women came from Bayonetta and Eroge, I could see having a warped view on women), but straight-up embracing fascism is a bridge too far for people who would've gotten picked on for their Friendship is Magic and anime avatars in school.
"My turn to be the bully."
I believe the strategy is to create attention to the ongoing police violence and overreach and thereby leverage the mayor. Their stated demand for these actions is the termination of the Police Chief. It's true that as long as no one cares about police violence and the ignoring people's civil rights, they probably won't get what they want. Hopefully the more this stuff gets out, and the more people experience it, the more they see that the police tactics used in this city are unacceptable.
Although, it's the same kind of thing we've been talking about here, you can criticize your allies tactics because they aren't your favorite, or you can support them and stand up for their rights. If these actions don't do anything, it's probably because a bunch of people who are sympathetically minded said "That's not the right way to do it, this can't accomplish anything", rather than saying "This situation is fucked, the mayor should do something!"
I'm so glad I turned out this way for whatever reason.
There were these links that @Giggles_Funsworth posted earlier about surviving protests that could go very bad. Also this guide on resisting the Trump agenda by former Congressional staffers.
That and really simple explanations (so-called) for Why Things Aren't Going Well For Me.
The day of marches is handy for people who are green as grass, and I like the Indivisible Guide. I wonder how one goes about finding the groups that are the equivalent of the Progressive Tea Party. As far as I know, such a group has not yet been branded, and there are still ten thousand groups with different tactics and goals.
Legit never heard of the guy before reading his name in this thread.
Might have heard the name in passing, but that might just be that Jontron is such a generic gamer name.
This might not be exactly what you're looking for, but Direct Action, by David Graeber is an ethnographic study of radical leftist activism and dives into a lot of the nitty-gritty aspects of process and such.
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The Tea Party exists as essentially a billionaire funded movement. The Koch's sank millions of dollars into it. It would take an Elon Musk or Bill Gates type amount of wealth to get it going on the left if we wanted a similar start.
Also, the left is a very diverse collection of legitimate greivances and causes. "Gub'ment is stupid" only works for the right in a way that can be leveraged into votes.
Justice For All is a pretty good rallying cry on the left.
Aside from the fact that the right isn't even consistent about "Government is stupid." Bureaucrats are sub-human while cops are to be more revered than Jesus himself.
I don't know enough about the protest effort to comment on the tactics, but it is really disheartening to hear that guy saying "thank you for doing your jobs" to police in riot gear, regardless of circumstances