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guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
Hello, everyone! Thank you for taking the time to look at my thread, you can call me JR, I am from Singapore, and I am committed to improving my art so please take a look and let me know what you think I can do to improve, if anything is wrong with my thread, let me know and I will edit it.

My goal as an artist is to be an illustrator. I want to improve my story-telling skills in my illustrations and designs and also my technical skill in drawing and painting.

I graduated with a local diploma in animation, on the way to possibly going into a degree course this year. I do too much practicing, studies instead of proper illustrations, I feel like I need to change that too.

I have been drawing since I was around 17/18, I started with Betty Edwards book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and moved onto Loomis books and many other books and videos but I still feel I have a lot of problems with how I draw and wish to confront those problems.

I started out really wanting to have a nice realistic painterly style like Andrew Loomis, Craig Mullins, Norman Rockwell, J.C Leyendecker, John Singer Sargent, Alex Ross and I still do in a way but I felt like I was hitting a wall wanting to be too photo-realistic, copying a photo and failing to be photo-realistic really brought me down, instead of interpreting it my own way like those artists I admire.

I also really like anime/eastern style like Granblue Fantasy's art, Pablo Uchida, Kim Jung Gi, etc. I wish to try a blend of the two or really go one way or the other, I am still rather confused about this area. I still wish to have a nice painterly style but I feel like I am too hung up on making my painting like the photo that I back off easily and so felt like an anime style would be better/easier for me. I feel as long as I can be happy with what/how I draw, any style, realistic, cartoony or anime is ok.

I will start with recent stuff, portrait and food studies done with references, I have lost the reference photos but I think any errors can be seen without them.
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Environment/landscape art done with references.
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Part of a Draw 100 challenge I wanted to do for hands, started yesterday.
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Some recent illustrations with some gore-ish themes, done with no refs.
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Some sketches and Inktober 2016 stuff.
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Left two are how I sketch from photos and right two are explorations in how I want to draw from imagination. Still trying to find what I want to do.
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Other older master studies, colour and value/comp studies of famous paintings.
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Sorry for the wall of text and probably badly-sized images, thank you for taking the time to read some if not all of it and see my art, I look forward to your feedback, critiques and suggestions. I will try to keep this thread up weekly, taking everyone's suggestions and seeing what I can do over the week.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator mod
    Hey JR!

    Welcome! Nothing is wrong with your thread, so no worries there.

    I have been drawing since I was around 17/18, I started with Betty Edwards book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and moved onto Loomis books and many other books and videos but I still feel I have a lot of problems with how I draw and wish to confront those problems.

    I started out really wanting to have a nice realistic painterly style like Andrew Loomis, Craig Mullins, Norman Rockwell, J.C Leyendecker, John Singer Sargent, Alex Ross and I still do in a way but I felt like I was hitting a wall wanting to be too photo-realistic, copying a photo and failing to be photo-realistic really brought me down, instead of interpreting it my own way like those artists I admire.

    I also really like anime/eastern style like Granblue Fantasy's art, Pablo Uchida, Kim Jung Gi, etc. I wish to try a blend of the two or really go one way or the other, I am still rather confused about this area. I still wish to have a nice painterly style but I feel like I am too hung up on making my painting like the photo that I back off easily and so felt like an anime style would be better/easier for me. I feel as long as I can be happy with what/how I draw, any style, realistic, cartoony or anime is ok.

    Realism is difficult, but the fact that your striving for it despite the frustration is great. All of these names indicate that you are looking at art alot, which is also a really good habit.

    I'm guessing your animation program was not very focused on fundamentals, which is pretty common. You might benefit from looking into some online classes. Sometimes more direct feedback helps us break through our hangups, where books and videos never have a hard time changing our perception of what we actually put down on the page. We have a big list of online courses here: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/196620/online-art-class-reviews-and-masterpost/p1?new=1 its by no means complete, but may help you look at whats out there.

    As for your work itself. You seem to have sort of chunky strokes that aren't well blended, but it doesn't seem intentional. I'm curious as to if you are using a very small tablet, and low resolution files when you paint.

    When working digitally, in Photoshop or otherwise, you have to work a little to make the tool work for you, which means trying different brushes and working on your settings to get the results that best suit your needs. I made this a while ago:
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    Which maybe something to think about. If you want a visible stroke in your work, that's fine, but right now it seems a bit haphazard and messy.

    If you are only spending 45minutes to an hour on a study, you may have to consider some longer sessions. To get a truly realistic result might take you a while, and I'd encourage you do do your best to be accurate over being fast. Your paintings all feel like the begging of something and not a finished work, and I think the extra time forcing yourself to refine and observe will better highlight where you need work.

    You may want to watch this proko stream on shading:


    it also has a lot of q&a In it.

    Other videos of his would probably help as well:


    I'm sure other people have more to say, but I hope that gets you started!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    Hello Iruka! Thank you for taking the time to give me your feedback! Good to know nothing is wrong with the thread, felt like I should have put NSFW in the title because gore and probably eventual nudity, but yeah, hahahah.
    Realism is difficult, but the fact that your striving for it despite the frustration is great. All of these names indicate that you are looking at art alot, which is also a really good habit.

    I'm guessing your animation program was not very focused on fundamentals, which is pretty common. You might benefit from looking into some online classes. Sometimes more direct feedback helps us break through our hangups, where books and videos never have a hard time changing our perception of what we actually put down on the page. We have a big list of online courses here: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/196620/online-art-class-reviews-and-masterpost/p1?new=1 its by no means complete, but may help you look at whats out there.

    As for your work itself. You seem to have sort of chunky strokes that aren't well blended, but it doesn't seem intentional. I'm curious as to if you are using a very small tablet, and low resolution files when you paint.

    Yeah I am still striving for it, it has been rather frustrating in it's own way. But I definitely feel that at least the grinding for it really pays off in terms of fundamentals and painting in general.

    Thank you for the resources! Yeah, direct feedback will probably help more, I was definitely planning to sign up for a 1-year Schoolism or proko course to go alongside my degree course and really get into it rather than just the usual free stuff and the usual Loomis books. For the direct feedback part of like the more expensive Schoolism courses I believe I will get into it in time.

    Yeah I really have no idea about those chunky strokes that aren't well blended I really want them gone too, hahahah, I do have a medium size Wacom Bamboo tablet from many years ago but it is sizeable enough to not be a problem and when I paint it is 300dpi I believe? I don't know if it's me trying to resize the image files to make it fit better on a forum page causing it but it should not be, seems like this is a problem that is caused from the very start because of the way I paint or the brush, IDK.
    When working digitally, in Photoshop or otherwise, you have to work a little to make the tool work for you, which means trying different brushes and working on your settings to get the results that best suit your needs. I made this a while ago:


    Which maybe something to think about. If you want a visible stroke in your work, that's fine, but right now it seems a bit haphazard and messy.

    If you are only spending 45minutes to an hour on a study, you may have to consider some longer sessions. To get a truly realistic result might take you a while, and I'd encourage you do do your best to be accurate over being fast. Your paintings all feel like the begging of something and not a finished work, and I think the extra time forcing yourself to refine and observe will better highlight where you need work.

    Hmm, yeah I should go deeper and do something like that I tried to go back to basic round brushes rather than the random one I got that was like from a top digital painter, hard to say if there's any real changes, but I will try to make something like you did to make sure I get the most out of my software.

    I am not too sure but I think the visible strokes in my work might me wanting to be like Leyendecker and have that nice layering effect with strokes across the forms but definitely have not got that down yet so it looks not refined or well-thought out.

    That's a good point about working longer on a study, I will try to go way past an hour and force myself to really try and power through and observe more properly, I will also make sure I keep the photo for better reference/feedback.

    Thank you for the videos! I will make sure to draw alongside them to fully comprehend depth and form which is something I also want to work on now.

    For now, I have done these in the past week.

    I will leave these un-resized and see how that goes, I want to improve my digital linework too so there's that to look at.

    More hands for Draw 100, I broke past a 100 at this point.
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    Another food study with the photo.
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    And progress shots of an illustration I want to do, like I want to do at least one original non-study work per weekly post here. Want to work on digital linework a lot too and anatomy proportions and clothing.
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    Thanks for taking a look!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    Hello again! I will be posting on Sundays weekly now, here's what I have done so far.

    So far, I haven't sort out my brush stuff doing those examples yet. I have watched the Proko videos and made notes and I have done a longer study further on in this post.

    100+ feet, I decided to change the way I do line quality according to the proko video but only halfway through these, like thinner lighter lines recede, thicker darker lines come forward. Still not resized if need be just let me know.
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    I also tried to apply the same theory to the previous work and improved that.
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    Here's a longer study I have done, in total around 3-4 hours and the process.
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    And here's some doodles from imagination trying to get the way I draw heads down better.
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    I will look at tweaking my brushes and do the examples soon.

    Thanks!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    Hello! Did not get much done this week, started full-time work proper along with evening taekwando classes but here's some stuff.

    I tried to test out the brushes I had, I am not too sure what I was actually going for here, I felt not that much difference but I learn about rotating the brush for edge control in digital painting recently so I will try that out more and I found out more about the brushes I had on hand.
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    Here's the illustration I was working on coloured with the line layer one and the one without, still working on it.
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    Here's a study I gave up on and will return to properly another time because I did not do the groundwork proper and so the study did not look like the photo.
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    Thanks!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    Hello! I don't subscribe to youtube proper and I only check in on Proko every once in awhile but this new video had me started on doing memory drawings proper.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=GOuIgevbHs8

    So, basically the first exercise he mentions is looking at something from a certain angle then drawing it from another angle, then turning the studied object to the same angle as the drawing and check the drawing against it.

    I only saved the pictures for the latest study I have done. All of my assumptions were wrong, hahaaahah. I assumed/extrapolated based on the front view of the object all the other views/angles for all of these.
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    I also more or less finished up my previous illustration so having something not a study done is nice, I will move on to another illustration instead of noodling away at this same one all the time.
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    Thanks!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    Hi! Felt like I did not do much this week but here's some more memory/projection drawings.
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    And a roughly 3 hour including sketch study that I might meddle with more to make it look more like the photo. Used some new brushes for this.
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    Thanks!

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    edited March 12
    Hey guys! Didn't get much done outside of work this week but I set some plans into place to get more practice in next week like following Proko's playlist videos of figure drawing and anatomy to get some revision in.

    I worked more on the study and I think this is the closest I can make it, I can still see how different it is but I think I got what I needed out of it and I can move on.
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    Here's a comparison to last time, I feel like I always make heads too big and too wide and I never catch myself doing it, I will have to remind myself of that in the future.

    As I mentioned, I want to set a plan where I follow Proko's playlist and start to rework and revise things so I decided to start and revise the way I draw gesture which is usually very fast and very scribbly and instead try to follow Proko and make them more studious and clean.
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    Thanks!

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  • mateosjammateosjam Mateo Registered User new member
    It's pretty good. I find it really nice to make drawings that do not really have delimitation.

  • guromonsterboyguromonsterboy Registered User regular
    mateosjam wrote: »
    It's pretty good. I find it really nice to make drawings that do not really have delimitation.

    Thanks, yeah being more free feels better for me, I am always too structured, lolol.

    Here's some more stuff I have done this week/really only today, hahah. Following Proko's playlist.

    Gestures
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    Beans
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    And a 30min quick sketch from imagination just to do something other than studies.
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    Thanks!

  • mateosjammateosjam Mateo Registered User new member
    You have a talent to go so fast. I love drawing too but I take like one or two weeks for just one. Just make model will take 3 hours for me. I really have problem with proportions ahah.

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