Secret Empire has only two issues out in June, with roughly the same amount of tie-ins but several separate one shots and a miniseries added. GotG's Annual ties in which is an old school method and better than forcing the ongoing series to do so.
I think Slott has made his overblown opinion about superhero marriage clear enough. In the two instances of Peter getting married Slott has that ending with either Peter dying to protect his family or it resulting in the death of every other hero in the Marvel Universe.
Slott literally cannot imagine a situation where it doesn't royally fuck up everything. And it's like, got damn man, who hurt you?
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Dan Slott's kinda a poster child for why you don't give fans the keys to the kingdom.
No. This isn't a sales thing, they have done this loads of times and writers have confirmed they were told the work was a limited series. Marvel just chooses not to advertise that because people get more excited about ongoings
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Huh odd. I had always assumed the mini series announcement was a soft cancel.
Huh odd. I had always assumed the mini series announcement was a soft cancel.
Nah, Elliot Kalan confirmed that his Spider-Man and the X-Men story was slated for only 5 or 6 issues, but Marvel announced it like it was the ongoing successor to Wolverine and the X-Men
Huh odd. I had always assumed the mini series announcement was a soft cancel.
Nah, Elliot Kalan confirmed that his Spider-Man and the X-Men story was slated for only 5 or 6 issues, but Marvel announced it like it was the ongoing successor to Wolverine and the X-Men
The more you know!
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I want to buy some subscriptions, but the way Marvel has this set up makes me wary
The only thing I love that I can be certain will continue as-is is Ms. Marvel
I want to buy a Star-Lord subscription, but I cannot be sure that Chip Zdarsky will actually be still doing it for much longer, because every Marvel thing nowadays is a secret miniseries
Interesting that the Ms. Marvel ongoing isn't tie-ing in at all to Secret Empire. Either Wilson just wants to avoid it or, more than likely, Marvel knows she'd treat Hydra in a way they don't want her to.
Collected mini-series probably have a longer shelf life. So long term there is a decent chance they make a lot more money.
It is a lot easier to get people to buy "this one great comic trade" than to buy "this one in a series, but you have to read x y and z first." I'd imagine.
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Yeah. And single stories stay around a longer on book store (non comic ones mind you) than a random volume of long running series.
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I could see a really interesting model where you have a handful of universe books as ongoings - these are your Avengers level books, essentially (and maybe some X-Team/Guardians stuff, but largely team stuff is the point) - that deal with all of the big catastrophic event stuff and pull a variety of characters as needed and stuff like that, and then there's a sort of freedom to create side stories with characters that aren't being used in the main line books as six or twelve issue miniseries.
I'm almost thinking like, in the style of the Dragonlance line of books, where writers aside from Weis and Hickman would fill in large sections of backstory or have various characters' in-between solo adventures and backstories. Obviously not exactly that, especially if you're transitioning an existing universe into the model, but a similar concept.
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I could see a really interesting model where you have a handful of universe books as ongoings - these are your Avengers level books, essentially (and maybe some X-Team/Guardians stuff, but largely team stuff is the point) - that deal with all of the big catastrophic event stuff and pull a variety of characters as needed and stuff like that, and then there's a sort of freedom to create side stories with characters that aren't being used in the main line books as six or twelve issue miniseries.
I'm almost thinking like, in the style of the Dragonlance line of books, where writers aside from Weis and Hickman would fill in large sections of backstory or have various characters' in-between solo adventures and backstories. Obviously not exactly that, especially if you're transitioning an existing universe into the model, but a similar concept.
This model makes way more sense in the modern climate really.
Not only is it pretty new reader friendly, it avoids a lot of problems where there just really isn't enough to a character to sustain a full series. Also you can take more chances because you don't have to worry about sales nearly as long.
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I mean, I envision a transition to nonmonthlies, but I have no idea whether that would work, and also Diamond and LCS would have a seizure.
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As someone who doesn't really read team/event stuff (except for occasional X-Men runs) it sounds like a dream come true to me, but I could see why a lot of longtime fans would dislike it.
If you folks had to set-up a year long production & distribution of Marvel comics, what would it look like?
Which series? For how long? What big event (and how long do they last)?
Just a thought exercise?
Main goal would to be to DRASTICALLY cut back on the number of actual books. Keep a tight line up.
I would do a Marvel Universe bimonthly anthology series. Probably a lot of those would be heavily serialized, but not all. But none of the stories much longer than 12 pages. But a pretty lengthy book. Features all kinds of characters and stories that cycle in and out. Probably a lot of folks that couldn't always maintain their own books. But with one either Avengers, or other main status quo character story in it that sets up the year's event.
Roughly tenish concurrently running mini-series. Spider-Man, Avengers, and some other tent pole characters with at least two spots reserved to characters who are new or underappreciated.
A monthly comic album (European style, so oversized- and 40-80 pages) that tells a single story. Featuring alternating characters and creative teams. Call it Marvel Showcase or something. But make it a big stand alone deal and really gorgeous.
And one big event book a year. Either as an album or a mini-series. It doesn't bleed into the other books. Save for the Anthology where one or two of the issues will entirely be devoted to set up and ramifications of the event.
The Event would be the a natural disaster (or a godzilla) and it's more focused on saving people than in-fighting or big villain stuff.
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No. This isn't a sales thing, they have done this loads of times and writers have confirmed they were told the work was a limited series. Marvel just chooses not to advertise that because people get more excited about ongoings
I think what bothers me most with this tactic is that it gives a different mindset when reading the book month to month. Like, Star Lord has been entertaining (and hasn't ended yet so obviously this opinion could change), but it doesn't feel like a story worth telling as a miniseries? It's been largely "unimportant", but since I thought it was an ongoing I'd think "okay cool they're setting up characters and stories to continue as it goes on"
Compare it to, say, Midnighter and Apollo that was advertised as a mini, I think "there's a set ending in mind so all of this is deliberate" and attribute more importance to plot points and characters
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Still hoping this whole thing is done in July.
Slott literally cannot imagine a situation where it doesn't royally fuck up everything. And it's like, got damn man, who hurt you?
He didn't break up the marriage, cut him a little slack
Fuck off, Marvel
Ever thought nobody could do worse than Finn Jones?
The more you know!
not the preferred nomenclature
Roy Thomas is an old ass white man who was writing comics 40 years ago
Nice to see the Contest Of Champions heroes showing up not long after their series ended.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Hey look who's a goddamned Precog
Not really
They don't sell as much but DC has been cranking out miniseries for years now and they do fine and sometimes even end up with their own ongoings
Plus, Marvel had a Deadpool miniseries that sold super well last year and then relaunched it as an ongoing and sales tanked
Miniseries are fine, just fucking be honest about them
It is a lot easier to get people to buy "this one great comic trade" than to buy "this one in a series, but you have to read x y and z first." I'd imagine.
I'm almost thinking like, in the style of the Dragonlance line of books, where writers aside from Weis and Hickman would fill in large sections of backstory or have various characters' in-between solo adventures and backstories. Obviously not exactly that, especially if you're transitioning an existing universe into the model, but a similar concept.
This model makes way more sense in the modern climate really.
Not only is it pretty new reader friendly, it avoids a lot of problems where there just really isn't enough to a character to sustain a full series. Also you can take more chances because you don't have to worry about sales nearly as long.
The company that owns them has 90 billion in assets, the comic division is peanuts to them.
Which series? For how long? What big event (and how long do they last)?
Just a thought exercise?
Holy FUCK.
It's like they were trying to craft the most obliviously insensitive response imaginable.
Like, oriental? Seriously?
Old as fuck comic creator has dumb ass opinions is sort of par for the course.
And I don't even consider him the creator. The character was worthless until Claremont and Byrne took him.
Main goal would to be to DRASTICALLY cut back on the number of actual books. Keep a tight line up.
I would do a Marvel Universe bimonthly anthology series. Probably a lot of those would be heavily serialized, but not all. But none of the stories much longer than 12 pages. But a pretty lengthy book. Features all kinds of characters and stories that cycle in and out. Probably a lot of folks that couldn't always maintain their own books. But with one either Avengers, or other main status quo character story in it that sets up the year's event.
Roughly tenish concurrently running mini-series. Spider-Man, Avengers, and some other tent pole characters with at least two spots reserved to characters who are new or underappreciated.
A monthly comic album (European style, so oversized- and 40-80 pages) that tells a single story. Featuring alternating characters and creative teams. Call it Marvel Showcase or something. But make it a big stand alone deal and really gorgeous.
And one big event book a year. Either as an album or a mini-series. It doesn't bleed into the other books. Save for the Anthology where one or two of the issues will entirely be devoted to set up and ramifications of the event.
The Event would be the a natural disaster (or a godzilla) and it's more focused on saving people than in-fighting or big villain stuff.
I think what bothers me most with this tactic is that it gives a different mindset when reading the book month to month. Like, Star Lord has been entertaining (and hasn't ended yet so obviously this opinion could change), but it doesn't feel like a story worth telling as a miniseries? It's been largely "unimportant", but since I thought it was an ongoing I'd think "okay cool they're setting up characters and stories to continue as it goes on"
Compare it to, say, Midnighter and Apollo that was advertised as a mini, I think "there's a set ending in mind so all of this is deliberate" and attribute more importance to plot points and characters
Well, THAT was totally worth the wait and mystery :razz:
I would respect this more tbh