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The Watching Thread of [The Walking Dead]

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    So I called
    Benjamin getting killed to help spur the kingdom to action
    a mile away. They couldn't have been more transparent that it was happening this episode either with him giving Morgan a present and talking about how he met a girl.

    This episode was a lot better than last week's. Hoping for a strong final 3 eps to close out the season and set us up for waaaaar.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X The woods are lovely dark and deepRegistered User regular
    I think we all did.
    I really liked that the guy that broke Morgan's pacifism was an ally. I am interested in where he goes from here, which is not something I expected to say of Morgan! I can kinda imagine the season might end with him getting an opportunity to kill Negan, and not taking it, getting killed for being a better person, and this'll influence how Rick ultimately deals with the guy.

    And miles to go before I sleep.
  • MelksterMelkster Registered User regular
    Siska wrote: »
    A recap of the previous seasons by John Cleese.

    I'm caught up to like -3 episodes from current.

    Watching the recap of previous seasons really makes me appreciate the fact that we finally have actual communities now. Good communities. Where their leaders disagree on the right course of action, and for pretty reasonable reasons.

    After watching the episode where Rick first proposes a military alliance with Ezekiel, I found myself pondering that, at length. What could you say? What could you possibly say to a leader to convince him to sacrifice his own people's lives for war? Yes, it's for a good reason, but how do you convince him, while being honest about the risks?

    It's definitely more interesting than the Governor's story line, or basically anything until now. Stable communities in dangerous environments is, just, a fascinating thing for me.

  • SiskaSiska Shorty Registered User regular
    I think we all did.
    I really liked that the guy that broke Morgan's pacifism was an ally. I am interested in where he goes from here, which is not something I expected to say of Morgan! I can kinda imagine the season might end with him getting an opportunity to kill Negan, and not taking it, getting killed for being a better person, and this'll influence how Rick ultimately deals with the guy.

    I think one or several of the women will die this season.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X The woods are lovely dark and deepRegistered User regular
    I'd be fine with Rosita dying this episode, she's never really clicked IMO. Pretty much everyone else is great tho, and would be missed. Like even Tara, a borderline redshirt, I'll be sad if they kill her off.

    And miles to go before I sleep.
  • CaptainPeacockCaptainPeacock Registered User regular
    Tonight's ep:
    Et tu Eugene?

    Cluck cluck, gibber gibber, my old man's a mushroom, etc.
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    So like.

    Pretty much nothing happened.

    At all.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Two Broke(n) Girls. I like both of these actresses, but wow do I hate their characters.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X The woods are lovely dark and deepRegistered User regular
    edited March 20
    Melkster wrote: »
    Siska wrote: »
    A recap of the previous seasons by John Cleese.

    snip

    It's definitely more interesting than the Governor's story line, or basically anything until now. Stable communities in dangerous environments is, just, a fascinating thing for me.

    The Governor, like all TWD villains, was just supposed to be the dark side of Rick at the time. The show starts with Shane; what if Rick tries to lead as a cop but also puts his family before anyone else. Then we got the Governor; what if Rick gives in to madness after Lori's death. Now we got Negan; what if Rick forces other communities to do as he says.

    That's also why I felt kinda sorry for the Governor, he was doing some evil shit but he was also mentally ill and never acted rationally.

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  • chromdomchromdom That One Oh yeah, I movedRegistered User regular
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

    I disagree with the bolded in KoopTroop's spoiler
    I really think Eugene is terrified but playing a longer game. His machinations have always been long term, and I think he is also planning on doing what it takes to take out Negan; his plan on what to do after is what I haven't figured out. Is Geno going to try to replace Negan?

    Oh ya, I still give him some, just he goes savage on it, doesn't with any other food, little cannibal
  • LaCabraLaCabra Registered User regular
    I always watch this show and just hate it now, something's wrong with me. I gotta quit. I got a problem. This is some Dexter Season 7 shit.

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  • WaffenWaffen Village Idiot Registered User regular
    edited March 21
    LaCabra wrote: »
    I always watch this show and just hate it now, something's wrong with me. I gotta quit. I got a problem. This is some Dexter Season 7 shit.

    Its why I read the comics these days. The comics are a lot better than the show. Although I do want to remark that the pacing can be just as bad. (Going a couple months with nothing happening but plotting) but suddenly the author cranks it up and you can get two issues a month. (Dope as heck!)

    I stopped watching the show around the Governor era, but it sounds like to me that the director/AMC forgot what made the comics soooo good is that the comics embraced how humanity drifted back from an industrial society to almost a tribalistic society in a short span. The Walkers later became a side element (Almost like a bad weather) as the genre switched more from zombie survival to tribalistic groups fighting for control over what's left / a breath of normalcy. The show for me more or less became the below.

    Do we have rules for comic discussion besides not spoiling what hasn't happened in the show yet?

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  • LaCabraLaCabra Registered User regular
    I read the comics for a bit and found them to be much worse than the show, but that's probably changed now as the show has lost track of what it's trying to do

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

    I disagree with the bolded in KoopTroop's spoiler
    I really think Eugene is terrified but playing a longer game. His machinations have always been long term, and I think he is also planning on doing what it takes to take out Negan; his plan on what to do after is what I haven't figured out. Is Geno going to try to replace Negan?
    What machinations has he done so far? There's been the whole fake PhD thing--but that was for more immediate aid. He did it because he could convince a bunch of people to help him out. It never could've worked permanently, either they get to DC and he has to reveal the truth, they get to DC and there aren't any labs and scientists so he can keep up the lie but Abraham no longer has a need to give him a free ride, or they die.

    I like Eugene, I want him to be a good guy, and I think in the end he'll do the right thing. Maybe he gets the opportunity to use those pills on someone. But right now I think he's trying to make the best of a bad situation.

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  • chromdomchromdom That One Oh yeah, I movedRegistered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

    I disagree with the bolded in KoopTroop's spoiler
    I really think Eugene is terrified but playing a longer game. His machinations have always been long term, and I think he is also planning on doing what it takes to take out Negan; his plan on what to do after is what I haven't figured out. Is Geno going to try to replace Negan?
    What machinations has he done so far? There's been the whole fake PhD thing--but that was for more immediate aid. He did it because he could convince a bunch of people to help him out. It never could've worked permanently, either they get to DC and he has to reveal the truth, they get to DC and there aren't any labs and scientists so he can keep up the lie but Abraham no longer has a need to give him a free ride, or they die.

    I like Eugene, I want him to be a good guy, and I think in the end he'll do the right thing. Maybe he gets the opportunity to use those pills on someone. But right now I think he's trying to make the best of a bad situation.

    He has
    not only produced the poison pills, he has conspired with people who want to kill Negan to keep them secret, he has established himself to be an authority and someone to be obeyed, and he has turned away from rescue in order to stay in the Savior base.
    Now, I'm not planting a flag and dying on this hill, I could very well be wrong. But it feels like they're intentionally setting him to be ambiguous in loyalty so that he can come through in a surprisingly heroic way.

    Oh ya, I still give him some, just he goes savage on it, doesn't with any other food, little cannibal
  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    chromdom wrote: »
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

    I disagree with the bolded in KoopTroop's spoiler
    I really think Eugene is terrified but playing a longer game. His machinations have always been long term, and I think he is also planning on doing what it takes to take out Negan; his plan on what to do after is what I haven't figured out. Is Geno going to try to replace Negan?
    What machinations has he done so far? There's been the whole fake PhD thing--but that was for more immediate aid. He did it because he could convince a bunch of people to help him out. It never could've worked permanently, either they get to DC and he has to reveal the truth, they get to DC and there aren't any labs and scientists so he can keep up the lie but Abraham no longer has a need to give him a free ride, or they die.

    I like Eugene, I want him to be a good guy, and I think in the end he'll do the right thing. Maybe he gets the opportunity to use those pills on someone. But right now I think he's trying to make the best of a bad situation.

    He has
    not only produced the poison pills, he has conspired with people who want to kill Negan to keep them secret, he has established himself to be an authority and someone to be obeyed, and he has turned away from rescue in order to stay in the Savior base.
    Now, I'm not planting a flag and dying on this hill, I could very well be wrong. But it feels like they're intentionally setting him to be ambiguous in loyalty so that he can come through in a surprisingly heroic way.

    Eugene
    in regards to not wanting to escape is making a smart decision.

    If he escaped, he wouldn't be able to go back to Alexandria and would most likely make Negan really really pissed off at the Alexandrians. So by escaping he would be relegating himself to homelessness AND putting his friends in even more danger. I wouldn't escape either, even if I wanted to.

    Now whether he is making that decision because its smart or doing it out of cowardice is another debate.

    Which makes the actions of Rosita and Sasha even more stupid
    because if they fail, then all their friends in Alexandria are going to pay a very steep price.

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited March 21
    chromdom wrote: »
    chromdom wrote: »
    Yep, another episode that didn't work for me.
    It's obvious that Rosita wants to end her life just to get to Negan and finish the job. For Sasha to deny her what she wants is what we bird people call "a dick move."

    I think Eugene is just a victim to his cowardice. Not necessarily that he's happy or okay "Being Negan."

    And again, fucking progress the story please. Samurai Jack gets more done in 20 minutes than Walking Dead does in a whole season. What even is that?

    I disagree with the bolded in KoopTroop's spoiler
    I really think Eugene is terrified but playing a longer game. His machinations have always been long term, and I think he is also planning on doing what it takes to take out Negan; his plan on what to do after is what I haven't figured out. Is Geno going to try to replace Negan?
    What machinations has he done so far? There's been the whole fake PhD thing--but that was for more immediate aid. He did it because he could convince a bunch of people to help him out. It never could've worked permanently, either they get to DC and he has to reveal the truth, they get to DC and there aren't any labs and scientists so he can keep up the lie but Abraham no longer has a need to give him a free ride, or they die.

    I like Eugene, I want him to be a good guy, and I think in the end he'll do the right thing. Maybe he gets the opportunity to use those pills on someone. But right now I think he's trying to make the best of a bad situation.

    He has
    not only produced the poison pills, he has conspired with people who want to kill Negan to keep them secret, he has established himself to be an authority and someone to be obeyed, and he has turned away from rescue in order to stay in the Savior base.
    Now, I'm not planting a flag and dying on this hill, I could very well be wrong. But it feels like they're intentionally setting him to be ambiguous in loyalty so that he can come through in a surprisingly heroic way.
    I don't see any of that as a long term plan. At every step, he was doing what he needed to to survive and not rock the boat at the moment. Why did he work with the women to keep the poison pills a secret? Because revealing them would be a great way to get himself on Negan's shit list, even if Negan did take his side against the women. Why did he establish himself as an authority? Because he had a spur of the moment opportunity to get himself power.

    At each step, he's been reactionary, doing what provides him immediate benefit.

    I do think that ultimately he'll end up doing something good for Team Rick, because this is a story and they wouldn't be spending as much time on this whole Eugene subplot if it's not going to have some result, but everything he's done so far has indicated that he's just a coward.
    ObiFett wrote: »
    because if they fail, then all their friends in Alexandria are going to pay a very steep price.

    Agreed. I was getting pretty annoyed with them about that.

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  • LaCabraLaCabra Registered User regular
    edited March 22
    rosita and sasha's plan is the worst ever, once they abandon the sniping. the sniping is okay. alexandria probably wouldn't be first in line to get rekt by negan in the event of a failed sniping, because negan more or less thinks they have no guns and everybody wants negan dead

    going in tho? yeah good plan you fucking idiots. there's already a going-in plan and you're just wrecking it by jumping the gun

    of course i know they're upset and whatever but they've also both learnt the "you gotta not act rashly for revenge" lesson before. it's like the second or third lesson they teach in zombie class

    also it's incredible how much this show spins its wheels now. the entire first half of the season was a transparent build up to deciding to fight, where everybody attempts to kill negan their own way and then they're like "nah we have to cooperate!" and now they're just...stuck in that episode because "decide to fight negan and fight and win" is the inevitable conclusion and there's only max 2 episodes of show to be found in that concept

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Eugene:
    I think Eugene is just the opposite of how Daryl handled being taken by the Saviors. Daryl's pride made him unable to just play along to live in comfort, so he chose a cell and horrible treatment rather than play along. Eugene realized if he played along he can just play Atari and boss people around and it's the best of a bad situation.

    I don't think Eugene has some master plan for taking Negan down or anything, and his cowardice and just wanting to be safe/protected is definitely part of why he's doing what he's doing, but IMO he doesn't have any loyalty to Negan and will work against him as soon as he sees it really happening.

    He's smart enough to know that just leaving with Sasha and Rosita just pisses Negan off even more and he'll just ransack every community looking for him, he'll have to hide, etc. It doesn't actually make any sense at all for Eugene to go back to Alexandria right now.

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    LaCabra wrote: »
    "decide to fight negan and fight and win" is the inevitable conclusion and there's only max 2 episodes of show to be found in that concept
    Yeah, a couple of weeks ago I was wondering if they were planning on finishing Negan up this season. On one hand it seemed early, on the other hand it's clear what they're building up to... and are they honestly going to spend all next season on this?

    I think the ideal scenario might be for them to end this season with the five non-Savior communities collectively deciding on war, a few more episodes of preparation, and then Negan captured or killed at the mid-season mark. Then we can get half a season of rebuilding or whatever and hinting at the next threat.

    But even half a season will probably end up way too much, and I don't expect much interesting to happen for the next couple of episodes.

  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    The show, for as much as it strays from the comics, is still trying to do justice to comic arcs. So they're just setting up all out war for next season. These last two episodes are just going to be more of that, with the finale ending on all the groups Rick has mobilized marching towards the compound or whatever.

    Then at least the first 8 of next season will be the war itself.

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    I think I'd really like this season if I watched it on Netflix. It is infuriating week to week, because we know where this is heading. If I could watch all this in 2 days, I think I'd dig it a lot. Except this last episode. Those two are the most self centered assholes on the entire show, and that includes the guy who beats people with a bat for fun.

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