In the shorter term we have heard clear evidence that access to the Single Market place, continuation of financial support and assurances over migrant labour are critical priorities.
I mean that's not surprising. Brexit has always been about getting rid of brown people despite them not coming from the EU and being able to shaft the little people legally. They still want access to all that money.
In the shorter term we have heard clear evidence that access to the Single Market place, continuation of financial support and assurances over migrant labour are critical priorities.
you wot
I've not felt such pure unrelenting hatred for someone for a long time
It's so clean and untainted by restraint or mercy, by god
In the shorter term we have heard clear evidence that access to the Single Market place, continuation of financial support and assurances over migrant labour are critical priorities.
you wot
I've not felt such pure unrelenting hatred for someone for a long time
It's so clean and untainted by restraint or mercy, by god
This appeared as a moral dilemma
Cause at first it was weird though I swore to eliminate
The worst of the plague that devoured humanity
(It's true I was vague on the 'How')
so how can it be that you have shown me the light?
It's a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you're gonna die
How I hesitated
Now I wonder why
It's a brand new day
And if I can put it to you, for someone like myself, it was in 1933, the year of my birth, that Hitler was democratically elected in Germany. He unleashed the most horrendous war. This country played a unique role in securing his defeat.
So Germany lost the war. We’ve just handed them the opportunity to win the peace. I find that quite unacceptable.
Ukip said the comments were an extraordinary thing to say and asked if Heseltine had “lost his marbles”.
“If I was German I would be deeply offended,” a Ukip spokesman told the BBC. “I never realised the purpose of Britain’s membership of the EU was to stop German domination of Europe.
“For someone who is deeply pro-European to basically say he doesn’t trust the German people not to misbehave shows how utterly out of touch he is with the modern world and the modern, democratic and free Germany.”
Okay, did someone accidentally touch an ancient mirror covered with arcane symbols, while simultaneously reciting a spell in Latin?
Because that's the best explanation I've got for all this mirror universe shit.
Nah its just the old united in opposition thing. They're all such a bunch of [insert foul language] that without the EU to bring them together they literally fight each other.
Also Heseletine's comments are a reminder that the EU will be less divided without us and we may see greater EU integration in the future, meaning we really will have to surrender sovereignty when we rejoin.
Nah its just the old united in opposition thing. They're all such a bunch of [insert foul language] that without the EU to bring them together they literally fight each other.
Also Heseletine's comments are a reminder that the EU will be less divided without us and we may see greater EU integration in the future, meaning we really will have to surrender sovereignty when we rejoin.
Yeah pretty much. As I mentioned in another thread, Britain has had one overriding foreign policy goal for the last 3 centuries: prevent any single power from dominating Europe. The geopolitical reasoning is obvious almost to the point of tautology (We don't particularly want to do it ourselves, and if anyone else does manage it, then we're obviously fucked) and it was either the main reason or at least one of the main reasons we wanted to join the EEC in the first place - especially once it looked like it was going to work and not just go away. It was also the main reason the Gaullists tried so hard to keep Britain out in the 50s and 60s.
There is very strong hegemonist tradition in the French political class, and turning the EU into a Francoflavour European superstate was - and probably still is - high on their agenda. Blocking or attentuating that project was a big part of our relationship with the rest of the EU.
Well, except that we've apparently decided that binning 5 decades of accumulated influence, privileges and exemptions and flouncing off in a huff because we only got our own way 93% of the time is the best way to advance our goals.
Well done, UKIP. No, really, top marks.
So now I guess we need a new core foreign policy. Perhaps we can call it the Jam Doctrine, on account of how we're in such a sticky situation.
Anyone heard much about the new Mayors? Know a lot of you are around Cambridgeshire way and we're one of the new regions to get one, though Cambridgeshire and Peterborough seem pretty diverse places and other than a leaflet from the Lib Dems I've not seen a lot about it.
Scotland joining the EU can't simply be a case of getting a hand stamp when you leave the club so you can get back in later. It would set a dangerous precedent that some countries are keen to avoid. Spain, for a start, will be desperate to avoid allowing anything that bolsters Catalonia's independence campaign.
The line from Spain as articulated by the MSPs that went out there (who are snp and so partisan in this matter, so take as you will) has been that they are concerned about non-constitutional secession, that is, secession that isn't mutually agreed. The first indyref carried with it the recognition of the uk government, and so didn't present a problem on that score.
It's probably part of the reason that Sturgeon is taking great pains to make sure everything is constitutionally watertight.
Saw Starmer in the Grauniad, saying Labour wouldn't accept any Brexit deal that didn't include equivalents of single market and customs union access. Reduced to shouting 'It's a bit bloody late now!' At my phone.
Labour will refuse to vote in the House of Commons for any Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the 27 remaining EU states unless the deal ensures precisely the same economic and trade benefits as Britain currently gains from full membership.
In a major policy speech on Monday, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, will set out six tests for May and EU leaders to meet, including a requirement that any agreement delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys from being inside the single market and customs union.
The same phrase was deployed in a Commons debate in January by the Brexit secretary David Davis, when he tried to reassure the pro-EU Tory MP Anna Soubry that there was a clear plan for Brexit that would not harm the UK economy. Davis said a new “comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement” would deliver “the exact same benefits as we have [now]” after the UK leaves.
Labour will refuse to vote in the House of Commons for any Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the 27 remaining EU states unless the deal ensures precisely the same economic and trade benefits as Britain currently gains from full membership.
In a major policy speech on Monday, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, will set out six tests for May and EU leaders to meet, including a requirement that any agreement delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys from being inside the single market and customs union.
The same phrase was deployed in a Commons debate in January by the Brexit secretary David Davis, when he tried to reassure the pro-EU Tory MP Anna Soubry that there was a clear plan for Brexit that would not harm the UK economy. Davis said a new “comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement” would deliver “the exact same benefits as we have [now]” after the UK leaves.
Labour will refuse to vote in the House of Commons for any Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the 27 remaining EU states unless the deal ensures precisely the same economic and trade benefits as Britain currently gains from full membership.
In a major policy speech on Monday, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, will set out six tests for May and EU leaders to meet, including a requirement that any agreement delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys from being inside the single market and customs union.
The same phrase was deployed in a Commons debate in January by the Brexit secretary David Davis, when he tried to reassure the pro-EU Tory MP Anna Soubry that there was a clear plan for Brexit that would not harm the UK economy. Davis said a new “comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement” would deliver “the exact same benefits as we have [now]” after the UK leaves.
Why leave the EU if you want the exact same agreements in place. You can't have it both ways.
They want the same benefits. They didn't say anything about having the same obligations.
Also, what's the point of those 'six tests'? What power does Labour have to stop the Tories?
And if 'EU Leaders' don't meet all of those 'six tests', what're they gonna do about it? Not Brexit after all? Yeah, no, I can see how that would worry the EU.
Labour will refuse to vote in the House of Commons for any Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the 27 remaining EU states unless the deal ensures precisely the same economic and trade benefits as Britain currently gains from full membership.
In a major policy speech on Monday, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, will set out six tests for May and EU leaders to meet, including a requirement that any agreement delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys from being inside the single market and customs union.
The same phrase was deployed in a Commons debate in January by the Brexit secretary David Davis, when he tried to reassure the pro-EU Tory MP Anna Soubry that there was a clear plan for Brexit that would not harm the UK economy. Davis said a new “comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement” would deliver “the exact same benefits as we have [now]” after the UK leaves.
Why leave the EU if you want the exact same agreements in place. You can't have it both ways.
They want the same benefits. They didn't say anything about having the same obligations.
Also, what's the point of those 'six tests'? What power does Labour have to stop the Tories?
And if 'EU Leaders' don't meet all of those 'six tests', what're they gonna do about it? Not Brexit after all? Yeah, no, I can see how that would worry the EU.
But you can't have the same benefits without the same obligations. The EU leaders aren't brain damaged I hope.
Why give a leaving member exactly the same benefits as a EU member. Especially a leaving member. The EU will already make the UK pay through the nose just to leave because they want to make an example out of the UK. A warning to other members not to leave.
In my opinion the UK will leave after two years with no deals in place. They can't even set realistic goals going into these deals.
First is the communications director for Scottish Labour, the other is an SNP councillor.
They appear to be on some kind of weird kick about how acknowledging issues is "talking Scotland/[city] down" and i don't know if this is some kind of coordinated messaging or not. It seems kind of nonsensical, if so.
I'd go a step further and say that the EU are unlikely to give the UK a "comfortable middle" arrangement. Their goal is to ensure that EU membership is always seen as the best option. Giving the UK a deal like Norway (or in this case better than Norway due to demands for decoupling of the four freedoms) where they could appear to happily sit on the fringes without any significant pain would encourage others to do the same. It would also mean that the UK would be unlikely to reapply for membership.
I expect any leniency the UK gets from the EU will last just long enough for the EU to replace or relocate any industries that they need.
Labour will refuse to vote in the House of Commons for any Brexit deal struck between Theresa May and the 27 remaining EU states unless the deal ensures precisely the same economic and trade benefits as Britain currently gains from full membership.
In a major policy speech on Monday, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, will set out six tests for May and EU leaders to meet, including a requirement that any agreement delivers the “exact same benefits” as the UK enjoys from being inside the single market and customs union.
The same phrase was deployed in a Commons debate in January by the Brexit secretary David Davis, when he tried to reassure the pro-EU Tory MP Anna Soubry that there was a clear plan for Brexit that would not harm the UK economy. Davis said a new “comprehensive free trade agreement and a comprehensive customs agreement” would deliver “the exact same benefits as we have [now]” after the UK leaves.
Why leave the EU if you want the exact same agreements in place. You can't have it both ways.
They want the same benefits. They didn't say anything about having the same obligations.
Also, what's the point of those 'six tests'? What power does Labour have to stop the Tories?
And if 'EU Leaders' don't meet all of those 'six tests', what're they gonna do about it? Not Brexit after all? Yeah, no, I can see how that would worry the EU.
But you can't have the same benefits without the same obligations. The EU leaders aren't brain damaged I hope.
Why give a leaving member exactly the same benefits as a EU member. Especially a leaving member. The EU will already make the UK pay through the nose just to leave because they want to make an example out of the UK. A warning to other members not to leave.
In my opinion the UK will leave after two years with no deals in place. They can't even set realistic goals going into these deals.
My prediction is we'll go back and forth for 23 months with no progress, then someone will miraculously produce a deal that is suspiciously similar to Norway's with some bits about the Irish and/or Scottish border.
First is the communications director for Scottish Labour, the other is an SNP councillor.
They appear to be on some kind of weird kick about how acknowledging issues is "talking Scotland/[city] down" and i don't know if this is some kind of coordinated messaging or not. It seems kind of nonsensical, if so.
Acknowledging issues around Brexit is apparently "talking Britain down", so it does not surprise me that this has now moved to other areas of politics.
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Edit:
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Is this satire or a stunningly appropriate coincidence?
I've not felt such pure unrelenting hatred for someone for a long time
It's so clean and untainted by restraint or mercy, by god
This appeared as a moral dilemma
Cause at first it was weird though I swore to eliminate
The worst of the plague that devoured humanity
(It's true I was vague on the 'How')
so how can it be that you have shown me the light?
It's a brand new day
And the sun is high
All the birds are singing
That you're gonna die
How I hesitated
Now I wonder why
It's a brand new day
This from fucking UKIP, of all people
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/germany-will-win-the-peace-in-europe-because-of-brexit-says-lord-heseltine
Because that's the best explanation I've got for all this mirror universe shit.
Also Heseletine's comments are a reminder that the EU will be less divided without us and we may see greater EU integration in the future, meaning we really will have to surrender sovereignty when we rejoin.
Yeah pretty much. As I mentioned in another thread, Britain has had one overriding foreign policy goal for the last 3 centuries: prevent any single power from dominating Europe. The geopolitical reasoning is obvious almost to the point of tautology (We don't particularly want to do it ourselves, and if anyone else does manage it, then we're obviously fucked) and it was either the main reason or at least one of the main reasons we wanted to join the EEC in the first place - especially once it looked like it was going to work and not just go away. It was also the main reason the Gaullists tried so hard to keep Britain out in the 50s and 60s.
There is very strong hegemonist tradition in the French political class, and turning the EU into a Francoflavour European superstate was - and probably still is - high on their agenda. Blocking or attentuating that project was a big part of our relationship with the rest of the EU.
Well, except that we've apparently decided that binning 5 decades of accumulated influence, privileges and exemptions and flouncing off in a huff because we only got our own way 93% of the time is the best way to advance our goals.
Well done, UKIP. No, really, top marks.
So now I guess we need a new core foreign policy. Perhaps we can call it the Jam Doctrine, on account of how we're in such a sticky situation.
Bloody hell, Tim.
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Non-verified account impersonating @theheraldsun. I'm going with fake... that wouldn't work, anyways.
@theheraldsun is a newspaper based in Melbourne, Australia
There has been a lot of outreach with going on from the scottish government, including spain specifically
Huh. Well then.
... I still don't think that makes any sense, so I guess we have to see what the writeup is then.
It's probably part of the reason that Sturgeon is taking great pains to make sure everything is constitutionally watertight.
they tried it in the late 60s
people cried
thus we still waste our time on it
Well if we can upend big decisions made in the 70s for no reason we can toss this aside too.
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I liked this response:
Why leave the EU if you want the exact same agreements in place. You can't have it both ways.
They want the same benefits. They didn't say anything about having the same obligations.
Also, what's the point of those 'six tests'? What power does Labour have to stop the Tories?
And if 'EU Leaders' don't meet all of those 'six tests', what're they gonna do about it? Not Brexit after all? Yeah, no, I can see how that would worry the EU.
But you can't have the same benefits without the same obligations. The EU leaders aren't brain damaged I hope.
Why give a leaving member exactly the same benefits as a EU member. Especially a leaving member. The EU will already make the UK pay through the nose just to leave because they want to make an example out of the UK. A warning to other members not to leave.
In my opinion the UK will leave after two years with no deals in place. They can't even set realistic goals going into these deals.
First is the communications director for Scottish Labour, the other is an SNP councillor.
They appear to be on some kind of weird kick about how acknowledging issues is "talking Scotland/[city] down" and i don't know if this is some kind of coordinated messaging or not. It seems kind of nonsensical, if so.
I expect any leniency the UK gets from the EU will last just long enough for the EU to replace or relocate any industries that they need.
My prediction is we'll go back and forth for 23 months with no progress, then someone will miraculously produce a deal that is suspiciously similar to Norway's with some bits about the Irish and/or Scottish border.
Acknowledging issues around Brexit is apparently "talking Britain down", so it does not surprise me that this has now moved to other areas of politics.