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Globalization summer reading series

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2007
    Confessions of an Economic Hit Man also has a sequel, titled A Game As Old As Empire, which is supposedly even better.

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  • ElkiElki learned nothing, and forgotten nothing Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2007
    I'm sorta okay with Discontents, but like, half the thing is about the IMF.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited April 2007
    I'll keep the brainstorming going until tommorrow evening. Then we'll vote on how many and which books to read, how fast to read them.

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  • GorakGorak Registered User
    edited April 2007
    Elkamil wrote: »
    I'm sorta okay with Discontents, but like, half the thing is about the IMF.
    They are one of the largest players in globalisation. They're also responsible for a lot of the major cock-ups in globalisation - particularly in linking third world loans to accepting foreign investment and privatisation of infrastructure.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a wise man!Moderator mod
    edited April 2007
    Robert Reich's The Work of Nations is a bit long in the tooth (originally published in the early 90's) but still relevant. It's sort of pro-globalization but with a raft of progressive qualifiers. Eminently readable, too.

    Then on the emphatically pro side we have David Saul Landes' The Wealth and Poverty of Nations, where he lays the blame for global poverty largely at the feet of cultural factors, in effect asking why developing country A is managing to improve its lot while country B isn't and answering that country B has values that are holding it back. It was...interesting. I disagreed with a lot of it but I'd rather have that than the popular method of trying to zero cultural factors out of economic discussion entirely.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Count me in.

    and confessions of an EHM isnt completely anti. He certainly does not overlook many of the positive impacts it has had. It is a great book for learning how well we stacked the cards against third world nations though.

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  • ElkiElki learned nothing, and forgotten nothing Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2007
    I'm going to nominate one anti book.

    Why They Don't Hate Us - Mark LeVine

    Only because I want to read it.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited May 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited May 2007
    I'd be interested in this I think. I could stand to become better versed on this topic.

    Not that, you know, it'll ever come in handy or anything, but I'll be positively scintillating at cocktail parties.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User
    edited May 2007
    I'd like to join up with this, but I guess I'm not well read, having read only "The World is Flat"
    Still, sounds like fun.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'd like to join up with this, but I guess I'm not well read, having read only "The World is Flat"
    Still, sounds like fun.

    Psh. Several people here (like me) haven't read any of these books, or indeed anything at all on globalization.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

    Grog McCaveman's The Wheel and its Discontents.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

    Grog McCaveman's The Wheel and its Discontents.

    Freud got pretty much everything wrong about psychology, so I doubt a book by him on globalization is going to blow me away.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    geckahn wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

    Grog McCaveman's The Wheel and its Discontents.

    Freud got pretty much everything wrong about psychology, so I doubt a book by him on globalization is going to blow me away.

    I think Will was pointing out that Detante and its Discontents was not the earlist use of the title.

    With a corollary that I'm ill educated and he's better than me.

    But he's not. He's just a rocket scientist. I'm a rocket surgeon.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I will maybe read some of these on my roadtrip this summer. I will perhaps make a poor traveling companion. Oh well.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

    Grog McCaveman's The Wheel and its Discontents.

    Freud got pretty much everything wrong about psychology, so I doubt a book by him on globalization is going to blow me away.

    I think Will was pointing out that Detante and its Discontents was not the earlist use of the title.

    With a corollary that I'm ill educated and he's better than me.

    But he's not. He's just a rocket scientist. I'm a rocket surgeon.

    That one went totally over my head.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    geckahn wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Actually, my understanding is that Globalization and its Discontents is a serious work. The title is a pun on Henry Kissenger's foreign policy book Detante and its Discontents.
    Freud's Civilization and its Discontents.

    Grog McCaveman's The Wheel and its Discontents.

    Freud got pretty much everything wrong about psychology, so I doubt a book by him on globalization is going to blow me away.

    How does psychology have anything to do with globalization?

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Whoosh!

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    How does psychology have anything to do with globalization?

    Nothing. Freud being a moron has something to do with how shitty a book on globalization by him would be.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    Whoosh!

    I'm laughing really hard.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I vote discontent.

    Or anything not by Friedman.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    geckahn wrote: »
    ege02 wrote: »
    How does psychology have anything to do with globalization?

    Nothing. Freud being a moron has something to do with how shitty a book on globalization by him would be.

    I dunno, I think a book on globalization by just about anyone not around in the last few decades of the 20th century would be terrible.

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  • Andrew_JayAndrew_Jay Registered User
    edited May 2007
    Guys, Freud's book is not about globalisation.

    It's pretty interesting though - I don't remember much about it, but he tries his hand at a bit of political sociology.

    I would go for the following:

    In Defence of globalization - Jagdish Bhagwati
    Why Globalisation Works - Martin Wolf
    The Wealth and Poverty of Nations - David Saul Landes
    The Coming Anarchy - Robert Kaplan
    Globalisation and its Discontents - Joseph Stiglitz
    Making Globalisation Work - Joseph Stiglitz

    Surprise, surprise, the Wychwood Library has none of these (or anything in the list, for that matter).

    EDIT: actually, I can probably use the U of T library just fine - which will have anything here. Unless it's reserved.

    EDIT the second: They charge $60 a year to use the library?! This is no way to treat an alumnus!

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  • ElkiElki learned nothing, and forgotten nothing Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2007
    I'd drop either Wolf's or Baghwati's book for Empires of Profit.

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  • SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Andrew_Jay wrote: »
    EDIT the second: They charge $60 a year to use the library?! This is no way to treat an alumnus!

    Sucker.

    I have a roommate who is still a student at UBC. i'm set ;)

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007

    Post your votes for what books to read now.


    Example:

    I vote for:
    The world is flat - Thomas Friedman
    Empires of Profit: Commerce, Conquest and Corporate Responsibility - Daniel Litvin
    The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger - Marc Levinson
    Globalization and its discontents - Joseph Stiglitz
    Confessions of an economic hitman - John Perkins
    A Game As Old As Empire - John Perkins

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I vote for:
    In Defense of Globalization - [SIZE=-1]Jagdish Bhagwati[/SIZE]
    Empires of Profit: Commerce, Conquest and Corporate Responsibility - Daniel Litvin
    The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger - Marc Levinson
    Globalization and its discontents - Joseph Stiglitz
    Confessions of an economic hitman - John Perkins
    A Game As Old As Empire - John Perkins

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I might want to be in on this. Sounds cool.

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  • ElkiElki learned nothing, and forgotten nothing Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2007
    I vote for:
    Empires of Profit: Commerce, Conquest and Corporate Responsibility - Daniel Litvin
    The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger - Marc Levinson
    In Defense of Globalization - Jagdish Bhagwati
    Globalization and its discontents - Joseph Stiglitz
    Confessions of an economic hitman - John Perkins
    Why They Don't Hate Us - Mark LeVine

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited May 2007
    I probably won't have time to read more than one pro and one con. The only author I'm familiar with in the list is Friedman, who's accessible but sophist.

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  • SerpentSerpent Sometimes Vancouver, BC, sometimes Brisbane, QLDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I was just talking to a friend about this, and she suggested that we try to read books about similiar topics/arguments but pro/con (as opposed to just pro/con globalization).

    Is that possible with our list?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    I'm not sure I understand.

    Do you mean read pro/con about various subsets issues of globalization?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    I vote for:

    Empires of Profit: Commerce, Conquest and Corporate Responsibility - Daniel Litvin
    Globalization and its discontents - Joseph Stiglitz
    In defense of globalization - Jagdish Bhagwati
    Making globalization work - Joseph Stiglitz
    The Wealth and Poverty of Nations - David Saul Landes
    The Work of Nations - Robert Reich

    Essentially, I want the back and forth between Stiglitz and Bhagwati, as I understand that their books were written in response to eachother. The others I chose seemed like the more serious works.

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  • FunkyWaltDoggFunkyWaltDogg Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'm not going to vote since I'm totally unfamiliar with all the authors except Friedman, and that only through his columns.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    I'll close the voting friday night, so no one needs to rush to any conclusions.

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  • xanathosxanathos Registered User
    edited May 2007
    I would so up for this, I need to expand my view on globalization.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2007
    This sounds awesome, but I probably won't be able to fully contribute. I have way too many projects on my plate right now, but I'll probably following along and pick up the books that sound most interesting to read at my leisure.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    I can't imagine how people just reading whatever of the books they have time for would in any way screw this up for people who read everything. Just the opposite.

    So I'd encourage whatever casual participation people have time for.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'll vote for the books I own, so, both Stiglitz books, The World is Flat, and Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

    And In Defense of Globalization, since I've been meaning to pick it up.

    edit: Largely, I don't care...whatever I don't own that we decide on, I'll pick up, because honestly, I'd like to read pretty much every book we've mentioned eventually.

    That, and I hate libraries and love buying books, so any excuse will do.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2007
    I just checked, and on half.com you can get my entire list for $35.50 - but that doesn't include shipping. I imagine other people's lists might be even less expensive than that. And of course, at least some of these should be available or orderable at local and college libraries.

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