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So when CAN you call someone a racist?
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Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Oh ho ho.
If I were Taye Diggs or Tyrese Gibson, I would surely go after white women.
And black women.
And Asian women.
And blasian women.
Racism is based around the idea of inherent superiority, and tend to carry more weight when there's some sort of institutionalized structure to back it up. There are very few areas where minorities claim superiority, and fewer still where there's an institution to back it up.
Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about here.
Yeah, that tends to happen to people who are wrong around here.
I just try to make them come to terms with the absurdity of whining about the outside chance of maybe accidentally getting accused of racism vs. actual crushing poverty and social breakdown. But apparently there are people for whom this worry occupies their every waking day
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
It's hard for me to believe that nobody's seen this happen, but if they haven't, it's great that they live in such an enlightened atmosphere.
If my experience of this dynamic really sounds that bizarre, I apologize for speaking as if it represented something commonplace.
I think the job should go to the most qualified candidate regardless of skin color, needing to have X amount of skin color Y and Z amount of skin color Q is crap. Hire the candidate who is best qualified for the job.
I believe everyone living in the United States of American, even california, should speak english. I dont care where you immigrated from, learn the language.
I believe that if a black man and a white man walk into a job with the same degrees and experience the chance of a callback should be the same for both, with race not mattering at all.
I believe that 4 black man killing, raping, and torturing a woman to death should not go unreported while a case of white men doing the same to black women is all over the news. Both should be reported equally.
I believe that all people, of all skin colors and nationalities should be given a fair shake, and if found to be complete morons I should be allowed to tell them to go frell themselves without fear of being called a racist.
Im Detharin, and i hate you all. Equally.
I'm sorry that your acquaintance was temporarily inconvenienced.
I'm not sure what it has to do with millions of Americans being cut out of economic opportunities or being denied places to live, though.
Or maybe you didn't read the thread? You should, it's got some interesting stuff. I got limed, it was pretty cool.
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
I'm white, and have an Asian (Indian) girlfriend. We tend to spend some time in areas where there is a large Indian community (we live in London). When we walk down the street, I get honest-to-goodness "dirty looks". We once had an Asian bus driver go past, point and waggle his finger side to side like he was saying "no". I'm standing there thinking "did I jut get told off?".
So I obviously feel singled out and judged. I've had it explained that its seen as bad or even shameful for an Indian girl to go out with a white guy by some people - and these people can only be judging me on the colour of my skin...
When my girlfriend goes to predominantly white areas, there have been occasions where for whatever reason - she felt intimidated a little. She wont hesitate to describe an entire place as feeling "a little racist". Yet when I bring up how I feel, its not racist, its a "cultural thing".
I found the whole thing quite interesting.
PS. Please note I'm only commenting only on the whole "when can you use the word 'racist'?" discussion. I have no real axe to grind here and am in no way judging a group of people by the behaviour of a few (on the whole, I'm treated very well).
'cism!
So...so you read the thread and were pretty incensed about the black guys getting fewer callbacks than the white convicts, right? Right?
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Mostly what bugs me is people opportunistically looking for chances to point and shout "racist!"
So, The Cat, when can you call someone racist?
Anyway, if the guy was a dick, and you "called him on it," then why was it so traumatic for him to accuse you of racism, to the extent that it seems to be all you can think about?
Loath as I am to self-plagiarize, here's what I wrote in another thread:
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Actually its from Farscape, i rather enjoy it.
Incensed? No, frankly I think its crap but im not going to get incensed. Because there is nothing i can do to stop racism. Well lets make laws so certain minorities get preference. Well preference is racism so that doesnt work. Umm try and be a better person? Well thats all well and good for me, but doesnt really affect the populous at large. Racism can, and will eventually die. Best way to kill it is to integrate people, and treat everyone equally. Every time a law is passed, or a behavior is accepted that gives one race preference over another its racism and increases the problem.
As for Azio how have i willfully misinterpreted ANYONE?
As for the original question of when CAN you call someone a racist the answer depends. If your not white its anytime you like when your not getting your way, preferencial treatment, been called on acting like a moron, or any other time you feel like shifting the blame. Should you though is a different question. Theres a reason we have the saying "playing the race card". Because you cannot disprove racism. There is not words, gestures, or anything else a person can provide to prove they arent a racist. It is an area where one is guilty, with no hope of proving innocent.
For the poor whit guys, you dont, you cant call anyone a racist because hating white guys is completely, socially ok. That however is another topic.
And of course, we know how well that works out in reality:
The problem is that every time you meet someone new, your mind will consider the persons good points, and it will consider the persons bad points. The problem is that the persons "good" points seem to stick better in some situations, and the "bad" points seem to stick better in others.
Even if you're 50 years old and you've gotten by fine without it?
Appeal to wishful thinking. I'd like to believe that good things only happen to good people and that bad things only happen to bad people, but that's just not how the world works.
Uh... what?! Is this an anecdotal case that happened to a friend of yours or something? Because I'm curious to if this actually happened, and if it did, how you managed to hear about it if it went unreported. I mean, because the media is so reluctant to report crimes by black people and all. :roll:
Two words: Natalee Holloway.
Once again, appeal to wishful thinking. The problem is that people just seem more inclined to believe that the black guy is a moron with the same information.
jacobkosh, is it not unfair for his reaction to hypothetical me to be influenced by those previous ten interactions? Sounds like he's basing his reaction to man #11 at least partly on his experiences with men #1-10.
Isn't that the foundation of what's typically referred to as "discrimination" (not the dictionary definition, the social rhetoric definition)?
I guess I thought this discussion was about referring to racism outside of the obvious job/housing-opportunity-denial kinds of things. I was wrong, and I leave shamed but enlightened.
Excerpt:
"You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey," "Whitey," "Caveman" .. And that's OK.
But when I call you N-word, Kike, Towel head, Sand-n-word, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink ... You call me a racist."
And I consider black-face to be the hight of comedy.
And to Detharin and the other hard-of-thinking types, its not socially acceptable to hate on white guys. Just white guys who act like assholes. Just like members of any other class who decide to act like assholes. How is this complicated for people?
The real problem is here is that innocent white folks are sometimes the victims of retributive racism (I REFUSE to use the idiotic term "reverse racism") from non-white folks who have been discriminated against by OTHER white folks.
It just creates a whole never ending cycle of hate and bullshit. Minority members need to remember that not every white dude is "the man" who has been "keeping them down", and white dudes need to not freak out every time some inner city black guy gives them a dirty look.
Again, racism implies racial supremacy. Affirmative action does not act under the basis that minorities are superior.
Appeal to wishful thinking.
Yes, and I suppose that the best way to solve for the HMO crisis is to not get sick.
Yes. Because when we ask that white crack dealers don't have a better chance of getting hired than black people with clean records, clearly, that's the same thing as asking for preferential treatment for black people.
You cannot disprove most accusations. However, when there is compelling evidence to support the claim, you should likewise not be able to simply dismiss it with a simple denial. When we have people defending Michael Richards, which we did, you have to wonder how much evidence you actually need, which is the purpose of this thread.
I have been a white male for 24 years and no one has ever thrown me in jail for it yet.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
I'd like to think that we as a civilized society have learned to take care of the unfortunate, regardless of whether or not we're personally responsible for their misfortune.
For instance, if the state decided to use my tax dollars to fund a local battered women's shelter, I doubt most people would respond by saying, "You know what? This is bullshit. I mean, I've never battered any women personally, so why should they benefit at my expense. This makes me angry. In fact, it makes me so angry, that I think I'll go beat my wife now."
That may well be a problem, but I don't know if there's much ground to call it the real problem.
Yes, it was unfair. But man, so what? What if he was a white guy who'd had a really bad day and was out on a bender? Does that somehow relieve you of your responsibility to behave like a civilized adult to him and to other people?
Here's the thing: in manners, what matters is that an action caused offense, not the motivation behind the action. Because if you were genuinely innocent, then it shouldn't be any skin off your ass to express a bit of sincere remorse for hurting the other person's feelings. I mean, what the fuck? If you cracked a dead baby joke and someone nearby burst into tears because they'd just had a miscarriage, would you turn around in your chair and start hectoring them for being too sensitive and playing the "dead baby" card? Would you conclude that miscarriages are therefore not real?
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
@Cat: I keed
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things
Yes, welcome to America, learn the language or GTFO.
So whats your solution? Discriminate against people to even things out? Its not an appeal its a statement of how things should be handled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom_murder
Didnt even know them, but hey when someone is to quote
"The Knox County medical examiner found evidence that Christian had been "bound, physically assulted, and raped."[9]According to the Grand Jury Presentment, Christian was raped vaginally, orally, and anally, and Newsom was raped anally."
Its anecdotal, RIGHT?
And whats your solution? Discriminate against someone else to even things up? Demand the law decide how many and who can have jobs based on skin color more than skill?
Of course not. However, I thought one of the ways for a person to be not-racist is to judge someone from Group X free of past experiences with others from Group X.
Or, to put it another way, at what point does someone get to stop apologizing for the actions of others who look somewhat like him? And I mean this for any group, not just white people.
If "someone" is actually running into this problem all the time rather than just making it up on the internet then perhaps "someone" is being more of a dick than he thinks
Actual Play: Mage: the Awakening - At the Edge of All Things