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Manhunt 2 NOT to be released in the UK
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Theres currently an ongoing investigation into people being given honours in exchange for cash donations.
Oh and theres an MP campaigning against violent video games for teh parents of the aformentioned murder victim killed by his friend who didn't own Manhunt and yet was told to kill for drugs by it.
Really, try reading things properly.
The so is every shooter ever made. The whole point in HL2 is get from point A to point B by waxing as many dudes as you can. Just because they are in masks doesn't make them not people. I think a game that shows the horrible things people can do to each other in a no holds barred way could be saying something important in its own right.
The original Manhunt was meant to make you uncomfortable. Just like all the good slasher movies. Sure some people just get off on it, but thats the price you pay for making people think.
You don't really know what "for its own sake" means, do you?
Well there is this one prick MP called Keith Vaz who has been trying to get Manhunt banned for th past couple of years and he appears to be ecstatic that the BBFC have made this decision. Then there are the parents of that kid murdered by his friend who even after all the evidence proving otherwise, have been petioning for violent games to be banned.
And that's eally about it that I can think of off the top of my head.
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I'm not condemning them for that, but that's the fact of it.
The point of the original Manhunt was that you were forced into the killings by external individuals, which is considerably less the case in the sequal according to everyone who's actually played the thing, namely the BBFC and the one UK magazine who managed to review it.
For the love of Heaven, learn to read.
You are forced into killing individuals. For the character, it is a life or death situation because if he doesn't kill his pursuers, he will be killed. That seems pretty forced to by most definitions.
The concept of subjectivity is exactly why my argument is, in my opinion, perfect. You argue that people are untrustworthy. That's a subjective statement on your part, and on the part of others. It is also implied in the BBFC decision about the game. That subjective opinion is then being assumed as objectively true for all humans, and then game is being made unavailable for everyone. If you have an objective, scientific analysis of why Manhunt 2 (or something like it) is harmful to humans, then you'll have a case for censoring it. When your case is subjective and opinionated and, I should add, completely cynical, then you have no case nor right to censor anything or advocate for its censorship.
The BBFC is not qualified to objectively judge how self-responsible adults are.
Okay, but I'm not. It's all fine and good that you are debating this on a lark, but this is a very serious matter to me and obviously to others. You can't just wave your hand in my face and say "hey, don't take my opinion so seriously because I'm not so serious." Maybe you shouldn't be in the thread if that's all you're going to do. Stick to your convictions, whether they are fabricated for the sake of debate or not.
Okay, so show me the research. Since just about everyone in the gaming world has been waiting for some actual valid, scientific, credible proof supporting either side and approaching anything resembling finality in the subject, I know damn well it wouldn't have slipped under my radar. But I'd love to see any links you can produce.
As titmouse said, though, most of the recent (and insufficient, insubsantiating) studies have been done on children alone. Since this ban affects adults - and that is the main problem here - I very much doubt there's any significant research done on the matter, and that the BBFC's decision is wholly subjective and wholly meritless.
Why, trust said organization? Since its typically not in existence to be fair and even minded, as much as it is to sedate an overly reactive public.
What grounds are there for a ban, should be the actual question. Even it if happen to be a murder simulator, why can't adults make a choice to own it or not? The key word in murder simulator is of course simulator...as in not real
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You should have clarified which study you were talking about, he did mention seperate things. If you really want to have a gander at some research on the effects of violent media see http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/pspi/pspi43.pdf
http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/dev392201.pdf
http://www.lionlamb.org/mediaviolencefactsheet.pdf
Might take you a while to read them though.
Ok but how is the main character's psychosis/being hunted by mad scientists any less interesting or valid a reason to kill people then a snuff film director?
Given that they passed Saw, Hostel and Manhunt uncut. Can we conclude from this that there probably is something different about it's sequel?
Something about it twisted their nipples the wrong way.
I don't see what could cause an entire game to be banned that isn't comparable to open brain surgery and twisting body parts with blowtorched eyeballs.
Unless the game devolves into a defecating mini-game. Which considering its Wii status would not be surprising.
Ah, I see. I retract all my statements then.
There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, more violent or damaging than a game that features high-res purple nurples.
Yeah, but it's not the actual violence that they're usually concerned about. It's how it's portrayed. E.g. if you did those things, and then made the rest of the film about how awesome you are because you did those things, then it might be cut. Whereas if you did those things and showed how absolutely horrific those things are, you'll be ok.
Guess ninty is in it for the benjamins these days.
Do they still do the Nintendo Seal of Quality?
Just checked the US cover for Manhunt 2 on the Wii. Sadly not.
Let me tell you about video games. Let me tell you about Homestuck
But take that to a videogame. Wouldn't it be going too far for a game to feature an extended gameplay segement ( something like 10+ minutes long ) where you brutally rape an helpless woman in a dark alley?
If a baddy is close to you and you're in the shadows, you need to keep the controls perfectly still or the shaking will help the guard find you.
I wonder if they got Mario in there as a secret character.
"Take-a dis Base-a-ball bat upsida your head bowser. Wah-hoo"
Sounds like a button bashing minigame to me.
Goddammit, you're not making the loss of this game any easier.
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Apparently the original Manhunt was already at the limit of their sensibilities. Given the context of Manhunt, which is what we've been discussing, I think the content is justified. I don't think that should ever have been at the upper threshold of what they would allow, and I think they are using their impressions of Manhunt to excuse their decision on Manhunt 2. I would say that their assessment of the first game, regardless of the fact that they allowed its release, was off-base and may have colored their off-base assessment of this new title.
You've just descibed half of the PC games that come out in Japan.
But either way you are engaged in the experience of a rapist....depending on the person it should have a similar after effect.
And if you arent defending the game but merely 'free speech' or acting against censorship, you are like a century too late to get the ball rolling now.
Honestly, I'm not kidding. So many Japanese "hentai" games - of which there are many in the Japanese market - centers around rape or "involuntary" sex with women you randomly meet. One of the most famous is Cobra Mission from way, way back when in the 90s. Granted, a lot of these are "storyboard" games, but a lot of them aren't. Ever heard of Battle Raper?
Hell, just read Something Awful's hentai games review stuff.
Anyway, my point is: Japan doesn't have a serial rapist problem, as far as I know.
Well unless one of the special features is a knife and a map of the interior of local houses, with a reward for bringing back the blood of virgins....I can't see a reason to ban it.
I don't mean to be a dick, but did you mean to use a word other than "irresponsible" there? I'm honestly not sure what that sentence is supposed to mean.
Why?
Dude, even the nice hentai has rape in it. "James, I want you to take my virginity, oh wait why are you being so rough? It hurts James. CRY. CRY. Oh wait, I'm feeling such pleasure now, youre the best ever. Woohoo lets go get my sisters."
So many things wrong with this post.
1) Every rating and regulation board can reject classification of the game, and every rating and regulation board would be wrong. Doesn't matter if it's one, four, forty, four hundred, or four million rating boards. They would all be wrong no matter how large the number is.
2) Yes, comparing it to the original Manhunt IS irresponsible. At least on BBFC's part it was, which is what they did. They compared the violence and context in this game to the violence and context of Manhunt which they publicly stated was already at the upper limit of their sensibilities. Not only was that an inappropriate assessment of the original Manhunt, but the comparison is also wholly inappropriate. Each game should be judged on its own merits.
3) It doesn't "clearly" have anything new and where "the edge" is is entirely subjective. So, it may be clear that something tips it over the BBFC's edge, but I maintain that they have no moral right to draw that line, where the edge is.
4) No, we really can't agree not to defend it so vehemently because we haven't played it yet. The content and the context are irrelevant, in my opinion. It is defensible, and vehemently so, because there is no "edge" at which any regulatory body needs to protect the general public from themselves. That concept, that entire motivation is horrible and is a power and responsibility that should never have been granted to the BBFC or anyone else.
5) Games didn't exist a century ago, and I like to think that we've made a lot of progress on ending or at least curbing censorship for other, older mediums. If the Puritans ruled America today we probably wouldn't even have computers, much less 95% of the games available for them. We've systematically, albeit slowly, eroded Puritan ideals, and I hope we continue to do so. We have a long way to go, but we'll get there, I hope and believe.
It is never too late to fix problems in society or redirect the misguided.