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Your identity as a gamer.

Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Games and Technology
I was talking to a work mate on the way home. He plays WoW, and awful lot. He's got a level 70 and generally devotes a fair amount of time to it. I hadn't had that much of a chance to talk to him before, but seeing as we both had about 20 minutes on the train to kill, we had a bit of a chat. I was under the impression that he'd had a bit of a gaming history. Most people I know that play WoW have had some kind of gaming history before it, but I was suprised as I talked about other MMOs I'd played myself, and other single player games I'd like, that he had pretty much no general gaming knowledge. He only plays WoW.

Now in contrast, I tend to keep up with gaming news, and play a wide variety of titles, but as a general rule don't actually devote that many hours to gaming. It got me thinking, I'm someone with years and years of gaming history, but I don't actually play that much in comparison to my work mate, so who is the gamer? I identify myself as a gamer, but I don't actually game that much. I play in small bursts, and spend most of my time following the industry. My mate plays a lot, but entirely focused on one title, with no interest in anything else outside of it. He's willing to place so much more time into playing games than I am, but he's not willing to take any interest in the industry itself.

By my definition, I don't think I'd put him in the social box of 'Gamer', regardless of the amount he plays. He's someone who just happens to play games, not someone who has gaming as a hobby.

What are your thoughts? Would you define him as a 'Gamer'? What do you define as a gamer?

Discuss?

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    ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    i'd classify him as a world of warcraft player.

    seeing how games usually have to be fun be classified a game.

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    meatflowermeatflower Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    A gamer is anyone who plays, reads about, and/or enjoys games. Period.

    It's a state of mind.

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    unpurposedunpurposed Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I consider myself a gamer, but the fact is that I've played through a grand total of about 2 games this year. Last year, it was maybe 4. I think that I consider myself a gamer because I do tend to follow the industry and inform myself of all of the releases, etc. I have an outdated computer that can't run half life 2 without 4 minute load times, but I still keep up with all of the current game releases (aka crysis).

    If anything, I think that my interest in the gaming hobby defines me as a gamer, since my financial situation doesn't particularly lend itself to buying a new game every month. It's more like every 4 months.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Your friend is basically the 'Bejeweled' or 'Sims' gamer: the casual gamer who just likes that particular game or maybe games of the like.

    At least that's how I see it.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    unpurposed wrote: »
    I consider myself a gamer, but the fact is that I've played through a grand total of about 2 games this year. Last year, it was maybe 4. I think that I consider myself a gamer because I do tend to follow the industry and inform myself of all of the releases, etc. I have an outdated computer that can't run half life 2 without 4 minute load times, but I still keep up with all of the current game releases (aka crysis).

    If anything, I think that my interest in the gaming hobby defines me as a gamer, since my financial situation doesn't particularly lend itself to buying a new game every month. It's more like every 4 months.

    This is exactly what I would classify myself as being.

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    SushisourceSushisource Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    As a high schooler, I have a fair amount of free time. I follow the industry, and I dump a fair amount of time into actual game playing. I play pretty much ever genre except for Racing games, Sports sims, and (recently) MMOs that aren't Guild Wars.


    I would consider myself a "hardcore" gamer. However, I think even your WoW friend qualifies as a Gamer, albeit one with a lacking gaming lexicon.

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    InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    meatflower wrote: »
    A gamer is anyone who plays, reads about, and/or enjoys games. Period.

    It's a state of mind.

    No one can emphasize this enough, honestly.

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    MrIamMeMrIamMe Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Gaming is gaming is gaming.

    WoW counts as gaming.

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    harvestharvest By birthright, a stupendous badass.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I am a weird gamer. I get more fun out of building a WoW UI or making some homebrew work on my DS than actually playing most games.

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    QorzmQorzm Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nintendo fanboy

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    KiwistrikeKiwistrike Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I think basically everyone here is in the position of the opening poster, and have at least one friend in the position of the wow player.

    Really, the definitions have been cast.

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    Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I like to think of myself as a gamer who, though he games ALOT, is still able to function in society. I like to keep up on gaming news, and, like I said, I play a freaking lot, but it doesn't show. When people're speaking to me, I'm usually pegged as more of a bookish eccentric type.

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    MrIamMe wrote: »
    Gaming is gaming is gaming.

    WoW counts as gaming.
    I know it does, but there is something... insidious about WoW. I think it may actually be addicting, like gambling.

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    Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I live games, I regularly jump from console to console. I'm an old skool SEGA nut who now enjoys whatever is new or interesting.

    I mainly play FPS's, RPGs, Racers and Military sims, but I'm partial to different games Like Katamai Damacy and Elite Beat Agents.

    I currently own a DS, PC, XBox 360 and PSP and I'm planning on getting either a wii or a PS3. I'll just see how I go.

    I want to do game development as a living, maybe game design. I'll see. I'd definately say I'm a mid-to high end gamer

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    MrIamMe wrote: »
    Gaming is gaming is gaming.

    WoW counts as gaming.

    My mother plays Tetris on the computer every couple days.

    I don't consider her a gamer.

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    devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    You know, I've spent about 2 hours playing games this week. Yet I've probably spent about six, seven hours or so specifically reading about games.

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    MrIamMe wrote: »
    Gaming is gaming is gaming.
    WoW counts as gaming.
    My mother plays Tetris on the computer every couple days.

    I don't consider her a gamer.
    She's a casual gamer. It doesn't just refer to game types.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    But that seems to go into conflict with the idea that being a gamer is a state of mind. While I'm sure some solely-WoW players would consider themselves gamers, I know for a fact my mother doesn't. Tetris is just such an integrated thing in culture that people just automatically know how to play and jump right into it, even people that generally hate video games.

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    KonataKonata Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    My dad plays wow for about 3 hours a week, he reads news about games and stuff like that but he's more interested in the technology and "what's currently possible" than what's comming out and what is popular

    I wouldn't in the least consider him a gamer, probably because, even though he plays games when he feels like it (WoW, sometimes a new adventure game, stuff like that) it's so rare that I can't even see it as "casual"

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    We're going to have to have a working definition of gamer. 'Someone who plays video games' is a little broad. I mean, who doesn't have a go at Solitaire every once in awhile? Who would refuse to play a simple party game?

    It would be like defining reader as 'someone who reads' when you are on a book forum.

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    GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't buy the state of mind definition. It just sounds like people are trying to make their hobby sound more profound than it really is. Talking about cars all day is also a hobby, not a state of mind.

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    Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I spend more time posting and talking about games than I do playing them. By and large I'm a social gamer, I play most of my games when friends are round but this doesn't stop me plowing money in to all the new titles I can (Overlord and Transformers....and I haven't even put overlord in the drive yet and I've had it a week. Transformers I've played to the bumblebee/bonecruncher mission).

    Years back I gamed much more, I'd put hours in to flight sims complete with complicated joystick setups, I'd make Quake maps and mods and so on and so forth. Nowadays my time is much more pushed so I can't.

    That said I'm really really sinking my teeth in to Super Paper Mario, just started cracking on with 3-1 I think. Undoubtedly I'll complete it (as I'm really enjoying it).

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    GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    No one can be told what a gamer is, you have to see one for yourself.

    More seriously, i'd classify anyone a gamer who actually plays more than one game and is decently knowledgeable about gaming in general.

    These people who only play WoW are just casual gamers in the sense that while they may play that single game for longer periods, it's more out of socialisation than actual gaming.

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    ThelloThello Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    People who play video games are gamers. Gaming isn't a culture, it's a hobby.

    As for the World of Warcraft dude, people who play a hell of a lot tend not to be interested in anything else, including what is outside of their room.

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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Casual gamer ("I play some solitare")
    Gaming enthusiast ("I rarely play games, but keep up on the industry")
    Hardcore gamer ("The library of congress has nothing on my collection")

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    The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I hate all labels, noob, gamer, etc.

    I play alot of video games.
    The end

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    People whose main hobby is videogames and videogame-related activities (like posting here) are gamers. If you do more of that than other activities in your free time, you qualify. It's just that simple. Bookworms are people who usually read when they have free time. Cinephiles are people who usually see movies when they do. Gamers are the same thing.

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    citizen059citizen059 hello my name is citizen I'm from the InternetRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    SimBen wrote: »
    People whose main hobby is videogames and videogame-related activities (like posting here) are gamers. If you do more of that than other activities in your free time, you qualify. It's just that simple. Bookworms are people who usually read when they have free time. Cinephiles are people who usually see movies when they do. Gamers are the same thing.


    This description works for me. I'm a "retired" hardcore gamer now that I have a wife & 2 year old son...but I still keep up on industry news and play shorter, more casual games whenever I get the chance. I still enjoy my more time consuming games, but I hardly ever get the time to put into them.

    Sometimes, if not for my DS, I'd never game at all.

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    SzechuanSzechuan Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    MrIamMe wrote: »
    Gaming is gaming is gaming.

    WoW counts as gaming.
    I know it does, but there is something... insidious about WoW. I think it may actually be addicting, like gambling.

    I did my thesis study on this. Personality factors that have been found to predict problem gambling - in particular depression, stress, and anxiety - also very heavily predicted addictive internet habits and behaviours.

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    AzuredreamAzuredream Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    How about a definition like "someone who thinks about games when they aren't playing them"? That includes me and the OP (who has similar gaming habits to me) as well as his friend, but doesn't include my mother, who plays Bejewelled every couple of days. To her, Bejewelled is exactly what it is... no thought to how it might be more fun with more (or less) colours of gems or when the next sequel is going to be released.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Azuredream wrote: »
    How about a definition like "someone who thinks about games when they aren't playing them"? That includes me and the OP (who has similar gaming habits to me) as well as his friend, but doesn't include my mother, who plays Bejewelled every couple of days. To her, Bejewelled is exactly what it is... no thought to how it might be more fun with more (or less) colours of gems or when the next sequel is going to be released.

    If your mom spends more time reading, watching TV, going to movies, playing board games or card games, collecting something, etc. than playing Bejeweled, she's not a gamer.

    I mean, how hard is this? You're a gamer IF GAMING IS THE LEISURELY ACTIVITY YOU DO THE MOST.

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    Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I consider myself a gamer even though the majority of my titles are JRPG's/SRPG's with a bit of action games and fighting games thrown in with some others. I mean I find that its ok to allow yourself to devote yourself to one field. I enjoy JRPG's/SRPG's so I play those.

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    Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I post on these forums. Isn't that enough???

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I don't classify myself as a gamer the same as I don't classify myself as a movier or a musicer. I'm just a bloke that enjoys games.

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    GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    I wonder how long this goes until it becomes an argument over the difference between 'hardcore' and 'casual' gamer definitions.

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    Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2007
    You know, anybody that plays on game exclusively, no matter what it is, isn't a gamer. Like another poster said, that guy is a World of Warcraft player. Somebody who plays Second Life exclusively, for example, is not a gamer.

    A gamer would generally have to have some experience with gaming in the general sense. Playing some variety, no matter how small. Not necessarily genre variety, but a variety of actual titles. If somebody spends a bit of the free time playing Bejewled, does that make them a gamer? Probably not. If they scour the internet for more of those single-serving games and can't play enough of them, does that make them a gamer? Probably so.

    Then there's the issue of individuality. Definitions aside, a gamer is anybody who would reasonably self-classify as a gamer.

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    thepricetheprice Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I've played video games with varying regularity since the NES era. I played a lot of NES. I played less in the 16-bit era, but I did own about a half dozen genesis titles by the end of that generation. I skipped the 32/64 bit era entirely, picked up a game cube a few years ago after a roommate got me hooked on smash bros, and now I have a Wii and a DS and a handful of games for each. My genre of choice on both is the 2D platformer but I have gotten into some other stuff a bit.

    I do not consider myself a gamer, at all, and I never have. I do like keeping up on what's coming down the pipe, but gaming certainly isn't something I'd consider a defining aspect of who I am as a person. Gaming is a hoby for me, one of many, although there are aparently people who have made it their culture, their identity, and the activity that all other aspects of their lives exist only to support. People like that are the people I would call "gamers".

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    PemulisPemulis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    devoir wrote: »
    You know, I've spent about 2 hours playing games this week. Yet I've probably spent about six, seven hours or so specifically reading about games.

    So true.

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    EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Your work mate simply has 2 jobs. One that pays him and the other that he pays to work at.

    I wouldn't say he was a gamer.
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    devoir wrote: »
    You know, I've spent about 2 hours playing games this week. Yet I've probably spent about six, seven hours or so specifically reading about games.

    So true.

    I'm the same way, at least lately.

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    Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I've actually spent more time working on my own games than actually playing games :(

    The only games I've played in recent memory are infrequent short spurts of Hotel Dusk and Dawn of Sorrow.

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