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I'm talking literally thousands of caps for the price of a bus ticket.
Timothy Leary hada good system for this, and had he not been thrown in jail for his experiments it probably wouldve worked.
So when I was in the PO's office talking to her, I decided to be perfectly honset with her about everything I used. At one point she asked if there was anything else and I told her, "Well I finished off my Hydrocodone that was given to me when I got my wisdom teeth pulled." And she said "Well that was a perscription right? Thats fine."
So appearently she either misunderstood me perscription drugs are fine to abuse.
So should we ban the sale of anything that holds a potential for irresponsible use?
No.
As pointed out before, Psychedelics are highly un-predictable, especially user to user. You really think they're safe to be put on a shelf with a warning sticker for anyone to purchase?
Also said before, some sort of screening would be needed to make sure the user meets certain criteria before ingesting.
So you admit they're unpredictable, yet you want to screen people. How can you screen for something if the result is unpredictable? The screen will let people take it that shouldn't, and make it harder for people that should not take it get some. This doesn't solve anything it just adds a bureaucratic process to taking the substance. Why can't people just take responsibility for their actions? Whether high or not, you're still responsible, deal with it.
djklay, I believe Azio said what I'm failing to say, screening so you at least know if the person is mentally stable or not. It wouldn't eliminate usage to the 'incorrect' parties as you've pointed out, however.
Wouldn't that be a, legally, rather dangerous position? Like, places that serve alcohol and such have a certain degree of liability attached, in what you describe, that would like be a bit greater, and of course you would be wrong in your judgment frequently.
Kinda from the point of view of the real world, the idea seems kinda foolhardy.
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We agree it doesn't eliminate it I guess it comes down to how much it would actually help in the end. If it was legalized there would be more information readily available on the substances. Right now the internet is great for finding information but to the people that pick up pamphlets from health centres and such the information is fairly sparse. We have propaganda programs like DARE that equate marijuana with crack. I remember watching an informational video about how much LSD messed with your brain and it could turn you into a complete vegetable for the rest of your life. What I'm getting to is that if the factual information is easier to come by and more readily given then something like a screening may be redundant as people should be able to decide for themselves.
I think it's funny that this reads like you consider crashing a car to be a minor side-effect as compared to being loopy for half a day.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
Man that guy is getting fucken ripped. Thats like double the regular Toronto price.
/nothing real to contribute...
Drug values are always inflated in the media. Partly because they use a hypothetical "street value" when referring to drug busts and partly because media types get over charged.
It also skews the enforcement towards the young and poor who are more likely to buy on the street. If I buy an eighth, it's a friend who comes round and drops it off then stays for a cup of tea and a chat or I'm going to a friends house and say, "if you're picking up, grab an eighth for me and I'll pick up some beers."
People who do coke for years are still completely fucking destroyed the first time they do crack. Things like crack and meth are so potent that I really don't see why they should be lumped in with other drugs, like psychadelics or powder cocaine. They're on a different order. They should be treated differently.
Also, what he said.
They are unpredictable, but within certain parameters. I've never heard of LSD or shrooms stimulating violent behavior, unlike alcohol (or, say, meth or PCP). Rarely, if ever, do people on LSD or shrooms suddenly decide that they're okay to drive a car, unlike drunks. And rarely, if ever, do LSD or shrooms cause unpredictable physical effects like a heart attack (unlike meth or coke) or respiratory depression (unlike alcohol or heroin).
That's why I say that they're unpredictable but not dangerous. There's a non-insignificant chance that somebody who is psychologically unprepared will have a bad trip and spend a few hours huddled in a corner. But part of turning a bad trip into a good trip is to realize that as fear, even crippling fear, doesn't actually hurt you. Not everybody groks that. In a world where physicians wrote 'prescriptions' for LSD or shrooms, I could see some idiot having a bad trip, then suing the doctor for pain and suffering due to his psychological trauma. I personally think that would be a really pathetic thing to do, but pathetic people find new ways to surprise me all the time.
You have to understand that the psychological effects of psychadelics isn't innately transient. Permanent harm can, in fact, be done; HPPD ranges from insignifcant to nearly crippling, and can certainly affect someones daily life. Additionally, the effects of HPPD are subjective, and you can succumb to a mild case of it from dropping acid once or twice. I know I've noticed certain changes in my vision and pattern recognition.
But you're right in that, for the most part, a bad trip is just a few hours of severe anxiety. Despite that, you can't entirely discount the possibility of schizophrenia, HPPD, or permanent psychosis or activation of latent mental problems.
Otherwise, in years of tripping a lot of people, the worst thing that has happened is some people have had a bad trip and decided not to do it again.
That said, my circle of friends are as just as likely to be the cause of the paranoia.
Hahaha...yeah. Last time my friends and I tripped, we had a sober friend around, because he's no longer a fan of the stuff, and he managed to convince my buddy's wife that one of her roommates had killed himself.
Mean, sure, but it was pretty funny at the time.
One of my friends also has a habit of dosing up another of my friends for the fun of it. I remember staying up on ecstasy all night getting him progressively more fucked up and rounding it of with getting him to drop his last pill at about 10am before sending him off to lunch with his girlfriends parents.
Somehow he's still with her.
That's hardly someone I'd like to call a friend.
Unless I had a habit of beating freinds within an nch of thier lives with a crowbar.
You might need to upgrade your monitor, because I'm liming this as hard as I possibly can.
So lime.
I don't have a problem with people using whatever they want to use so long as they aren't affecting me or anyone else who doesn't want to be affected by them.
I do have a problem with the crime related to drug use however and imo that's not worth the high or whatever. If drug crime punishments (including possession) were more severe, the general populace would have less desire for it as it wouldn't be worth the risk.
If there's less demand for something then there's less point in supplying it. Drug related crimes such a burglary would drop.
I do find it sad however that if i neglect to drink on a night out with people i work with i get looks like im some sort of social retard.
"Hey what do you want from the bar ?"
"coke please"
"you driving?"
"no."
"so why are you drinking coke?!?!?!?!11111"
"....im .... thirsty"
I find it very sad that people have to associate drinking/drug taking with having a good time. Doesn't say much about your character if you can't have a good time unless you're olol hammered.
It's a completely different expirence. I can and do have plenty of good times without drugs, that doesn't mean, in any way, that I don't do drugs. There are certain drugs I will never try, even just to expirence them, because I know they would very easily destroy my life when I realised how much I liked them, but not wanting to expirence Marijuana/Alcohol is beyond me.
No one I've ever met has suggested that you can't have a good time without being in an altered state.
It's just that being in an altered state, at least, imo because it's not the state I spend 99% of my time in, is inherently more fun than not being in one. So, sure, I can and have had plenty of fun out with friends while totally sober. Most things are fun totally sober.
But you know what? They're even more fun when I'm drunk or high.
I guess as a point of discussion, what kinds of programs and/or restrictions do you think would be necessary to make decriminalization work?
I think the argument largely goes "We should be able to do what we want, within reasonable limits". The limits imposed on liquor make sense as far as a simple benchmark for the best place to start, imo.
Most of the problem with alcohol comes from poor enforcement of the laws we have, which are largely reasonable.
I drink on occasion and have experience Marijuana more than once, but it didnt do anything for me. why its beyond you is surprising though, not everyone wants the same experiences out of life, some people like basejumping - its not for me.
Same goes for england, walk down any high street in any city on a friday/saturday night. it's unpleasant to say the least.
In the same way as my example of "why the hell don't you want a drink, its friday night!!"
But you know what, i have more fun when i'm not drunk or high plus i haven't spent a load of money and i don't feel like shit the day after, i even remember everything that happened.
See, I'm not sure why you're feeling the need to attack me, or my position (or rather, your flawed perception of my position).
I too don't spend a load of money, nor do I forget the entertaining events of the night before. I was simply correcting the oft repeated, yet erronous belief that anyone is "needing" something to have fun...they're just having more fun with it.
Maybe you don't, and that's fine. I never suggested otherwise. And while I don't think there's any reason to be upset at your friends offering you a drink, or perhaps inquiring as to why you're uninterested, if they persisted, I agree, that'd be obnoxious.
You said that my point of view was "fucking retarded" and maybe i was a tad sarcastic in my response, sorry.
As I mentioned, that was only because your "point of view" was based on something very few people actually think (that they won't have fun if they don't get drunk).
But yeah, I largely agree that getting yourself wasted to the point of forgetting what happened and/or blowing half your paycheck at the bar is stupid, and not particularly fun.