To be fair, I agree with a lot of what was said there. The "self-esteem" movement is pretty dumb.
The Geek: remember that scene in The Incredibles?
Mom: everybody's special
Dash: Which is another way of saying that nobody is
Self-esteem is not a birthright. It's something which has to be earned.
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So, you're saying that someone who has actually done a lot with their life should be no more or less proud of themselves than a bum sleeping in a gutter?
Only if you're saying that a person's sense of self worth should be directly linked to material possessions.
Generally, if somebody has a lot of material possessions, they have a lot of money which, in turn, generally means that they have done something which is of value to a lot of other people.
I would not say that material possessions are determinative of an individual's worth, but they're at least indicative.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
Wiggin, you're not allowed to be happy unless you make 150,000 a year and are 2 million in debt. Suffering from ulcers from your terrible diet and have a harpy of a wife nagging at you every day because the Johnsons just bought a new pool, and you didn't get her that diamond necklace she wanted for her birthday.
See, when you have a majestic life like that, THEN you can have a good feeling of self-esteem. Homeless people only get to feel miserable, ever. If you ever see a happy homeless person, kick them. Otherwise they might start to feel good about themselves. And if they feel happy about themselves, why, they might forget to lurk in alleyways. Then we'll have to SEE them, ugh.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
Good thing in the land of self-esteem your opinion doesn't mean shit.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
Nobody's saying you have to be proud of building the Pyramids of Giza, you can just be proud of not spitting in that hooker's mouth.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
Good thing in the land of self-esteem your opinion doesn't mean shit.
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
define value, is it strictly monetary. Because it seems as long as you're not really fucked up, most people do lots of things of real value
It's fine if you have self esteem and believe you are capable of anything and deserve respect, etc.
But if all you do is smoke pot and play your guitar all day, you have very very low expectations of yourself, and absolutely no motivation to improve yourself, which is what self-esteem is all about.
So assholes? How does an infant or young child get some self-esteem in your wonderful merit based system? Or do they just have to exist in some sort of limbo state until they can start bringing in the A's at school?
"Timmy, that drawing is terrible. I hope you feel bad about the terrible job you did drawing that firetruck."
So assholes? How does an infant or young child get some self-esteem in your wonderful merit based system? Or do they just have to exist in some sort of limbo state until they can start bringing in the A's at school?
"Timmy, that drawing is terrible. I hope you feel bad about the terrible job you did drawing that firetruck."
"I'm afraid i'm going to have to take away two pride stars off the self worth chart Timmy, I don't think I need to tell you how disappointed you're mother and i are"
So assholes? How does an infant or young child get some self-esteem in your wonderful merit based system? Or do they just have to exist in some sort of limbo state until they can start bringing in the A's at school?
"Timmy, that drawing is terrible. I hope you feel bad about the terrible job you did drawing that firetruck."
"I'm afraid i'm going to have to take away two pride stars off the self worth chart Timmy, I don't think I need to tell you how disappointed you're mother and i are"
"But daddy, I'm only 3 stars away from cutting and goth music."
by what other standard should a person's worth be judged, besides their achievements?
A bum who has squandered whatever potential he may have had has not done anything that warrants pride, by any sane standard.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
Good thing in the land of self-esteem your opinion doesn't mean shit.
Instead of asking citizens to take responsibility for their own actions, live within their means, start punishing their children beyond giving them "time-outs", teach their children the Golden Rule, and stop worshipping American Idols and Paris Hiltons (both sponsored/promoted by Fox), they blame the ills of society on Mr. Rogers?
Fuck you Fox, you hypocritical piece of shit. Fox is infinitely more responsible than Mr. Rogers for influencing children negatively.
If anything, what the world needs now more than anything else is another Mr. Rogers. I know what you're thinking Fox, but an XXXTREME, big-tittied, sponsored by Coke Mr. Rogers that sells cell phones while riding on his Simpsons skateboard isn't what I'm asking for.
Motherfuckers. Next thing you know, they'll blame Jim Henson for all the rampant drug abuse.
Don't worry Wiggin, 3 year old Timmy can earn extra stars on his Self-Esteem board by keeping his toys put away, not drawing on the walls, and by learning a new vocabulary word each day.
Don't worry Wiggin, 3 year old Timmy can earn extra stars on his Self-Esteem board by keeping his toys put away, not drawing on the walls, and by learning a new vocabulary word each day.
Don't forget the sister-flogging. If he forgets to flog his sister, she will never learn her place.
Don't worry Wiggin, 3 year old Timmy can earn extra stars on his Self-Esteem board by keeping his toys put away, not drawing on the walls, and by learning a new vocabulary word each day.
Can I teach him to say "cocksucker" while pointing at Fox News?
toady if you're even remotely serious in your last few posts you just become the dumbest fuck in this thread.
remember, wiggin is posting in here.
I'm not looking for a merit-based system of self-esteem.
I'm looking for kids, which in turn grow into young adults, to have self-worth, motivation, and a desire to be useful members of society.
If a child needs a physical reward early on in their "training" to curb negative behaviors and encourage positive ones, then so be it. The problem is when they aren't weaned off of the material reward based system to be replaced with their own internal "good" feeling they give themselves when being useful or helpful on accomplishing a task or learning something new.
In a recent article in, I believe, Wired Magazine they learned that 'gifted' children who are constantly praised and told they're "smart" oftentimes do worse or become unmotivated because they decide that any task that provides a moderate challenge isn't worth doing or is beneath them.
In a recent article in, I believe, Wired Magazine they learned that 'gifted' children who are constantly praised and told they're "smart" oftentimes do worse or become unmotivated because they decide that any task that provides a moderate challenge isn't worth doing or is beneath them.
I'd agree with this quite a bit after some firsthand experience.
In a recent article in, I believe, Wired Magazine they learned that 'gifted' children who are constantly praised and told they're "smart" oftentimes do worse or become unmotivated because they decide that any task that provides a moderate challenge isn't worth doing or is beneath them.
I'd agree with this quite a bit after some firsthand experience.
Same here. I've been in various gifted programs through school from 4th grade up, and I'll admit to falling into that "eh, it's not worth trying" mentality at times in the past.
It mostly spawns from an internal fear that they won't be considered "smart" or will be a disappointment to the people who give them the constant praise.
It's a really cool article, I'll have to see if I can track it down.
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I got the "gifted" label in grade school. It kinda sucked when I went to high school because I became frustrated with concepts I wasn't able to immediately learn or understand. I always had a problem with studying because of it.
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Generally, if somebody has a lot of material possessions, they have a lot of money which, in turn, generally means that they have done something which is of value to a lot of other people.
I would not say that material possessions are determinative of an individual's worth, but they're at least indicative.
Other peoples assessment of your own worth is irrelevant, a persons own feeling of self worth is all that matters, obviously arguing on behalf of a fucking bum who has achieved nothing and saying he should be proud is stupid, as stupid as saying that a dictator who butchered his way to the top should be proud, is stupid.
what i'm saying is success and pride don't have to be tied together unless you've got no self esteem
See, when you have a majestic life like that, THEN you can have a good feeling of self-esteem. Homeless people only get to feel miserable, ever. If you ever see a happy homeless person, kick them. Otherwise they might start to feel good about themselves. And if they feel happy about themselves, why, they might forget to lurk in alleyways. Then we'll have to SEE them, ugh.
And I'm saying that being proud of yourself when you've done nothing of any value is wrong. It strikes me as claiming the unearned.
Oh but Wiggin, theres hope for us yet! If we cry to a psychiatrist we can get pills that'll give us great self-esteem.
Remember, self-esteem is only valid to have as long as someone, or something else is giving it to you.
And we're all saying that you're wrong.
Good thing in the land of self-esteem your opinion doesn't mean shit.
Nobody's saying you have to be proud of building the Pyramids of Giza, you can just be proud of not spitting in that hooker's mouth.
I'm not going to say anything about meds, because I believe that, in some cases, they are needed.
Seconded. That picture was marvelous.
Also, to get back on track, just not fucking cool Fox news. Not cool.
Which is exactly the problem.
define value, is it strictly monetary. Because it seems as long as you're not really fucked up, most people do lots of things of real value
But if all you do is smoke pot and play your guitar all day, you have very very low expectations of yourself, and absolutely no motivation to improve yourself, which is what self-esteem is all about.
"Timmy, that drawing is terrible. I hope you feel bad about the terrible job you did drawing that firetruck."
"I'm afraid i'm going to have to take away two pride stars off the self worth chart Timmy, I don't think I need to tell you how disappointed you're mother and i are"
"But daddy, I'm only 3 stars away from cutting and goth music."
Yes sir!
*commences mad rockery*
I'm glad there's another sane person here.
Instead of asking citizens to take responsibility for their own actions, live within their means, start punishing their children beyond giving them "time-outs", teach their children the Golden Rule, and stop worshipping American Idols and Paris Hiltons (both sponsored/promoted by Fox), they blame the ills of society on Mr. Rogers?
Fuck you Fox, you hypocritical piece of shit. Fox is infinitely more responsible than Mr. Rogers for influencing children negatively.
If anything, what the world needs now more than anything else is another Mr. Rogers. I know what you're thinking Fox, but an XXXTREME, big-tittied, sponsored by Coke Mr. Rogers that sells cell phones while riding on his Simpsons skateboard isn't what I'm asking for.
Motherfuckers. Next thing you know, they'll blame Jim Henson for all the rampant drug abuse.
Don't forget the sister-flogging. If he forgets to flog his sister, she will never learn her place.
She might even think she gets shoes.
Can I teach him to say "cocksucker" while pointing at Fox News?
Time for the booze!
Wiggin: Pointing at anything on FOX news and yelling Cocksucker! is 5 bonus stars.
Dude, I do that anyways. I have so much pride going on!
remember, wiggin is posting in here.
I'm not looking for a merit-based system of self-esteem.
I'm looking for kids, which in turn grow into young adults, to have self-worth, motivation, and a desire to be useful members of society.
If a child needs a physical reward early on in their "training" to curb negative behaviors and encourage positive ones, then so be it. The problem is when they aren't weaned off of the material reward based system to be replaced with their own internal "good" feeling they give themselves when being useful or helpful on accomplishing a task or learning something new.
In a recent article in, I believe, Wired Magazine they learned that 'gifted' children who are constantly praised and told they're "smart" oftentimes do worse or become unmotivated because they decide that any task that provides a moderate challenge isn't worth doing or is beneath them.
I'd agree with this quite a bit after some firsthand experience.
EVERYONE BULLY HIM
Same here. I've been in various gifted programs through school from 4th grade up, and I'll admit to falling into that "eh, it's not worth trying" mentality at times in the past.
It mostly spawns from an internal fear that they won't be considered "smart" or will be a disappointment to the people who give them the constant praise.
It's a really cool article, I'll have to see if I can track it down.
EVERYONE BULLY HIM