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[WoW]More dots, more dots.... okay stop dots (Warlock thread)

Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in MMO Extravaganza
Echo wrote: »
Time for a thread restart. Someone make a decent new OP and I'll lock this one.

"lock" this one, hehe. ;-)

Oh God it's a new expansion what do I do!

There is good news and bad news. The good news is that each of the trees has been taken in interesting new directions, and that warlock are among the best damage dealers in Wrath PVE. The bad news is that playing a warlock in PVE has gotten significantly more difficult since level 70, with every tree requiring pet micromanagement and/or a complicated, dynamic dot/nuke rotation. Let's have a quick looksee at the three trees.

Affliction:

Affliction got a solid look by a balance team tired of warlocks that didn't use their damage over time spells. The most interesting change is the new 51 point talent, Haunt. Haunt's a direct damage spell that temporarily buffs your DoT damage and provides a small self-heal. In addition, affliction's picked up a bunch of new talents that will help it scale along with the other trees. The reasoning behind this is complicated and mathematical, but it's enough to say that affliction should be a viable pve spec for a long time. Played well, affliction will easily top the meters in T7 raiding, and still affords decent survivability and mobility in that environment.

This is the build I run. There is a certain amount of dispute among people who study these things about the opportunity cost of the two +hit talents (suppression and cataclysm.) Molten core and demonic power are decent places to put points instead, as is imp. CoA (if CoE isn't needed in your raid.) You should only put one point in eradication; again, the math is complicated, but the way the internal cooldown and the proc rate work make the second and third points almost worthless.

Destruction:

Destruction also got some lovin', and is now pretty much exclusively "the fire tree." For the first time since seducenuking at 60, conflagrate is useful, providing a nifty haste buff. Chaos bolt also provides the green fire you've always wanted. Unfortunately destro's damage lags a bit behind affliction, but patch 3.1 will add some nice utility (including replenishment!) to the tree.

Here's a pve build. Because of how topheavy the destro tree is, most of those points are non-negotiable. Yes, it doesn't have shadowfury. Sorry. Builds that go a little farther down the demo tree to unholy power do comparable damage, but increase your reliance on a potentially fragile imp.

Demonology:

Finally, demonology. Demo's basically what it always was: survivability and pet buffs. Still, there are some nice new toys high in the tree, and a lot of the silly things low in the tree can be used productively now (improved voidwalker, I'm looking at you.) The easiest pve builds to play currently are also demonology/destruction hybrids that take advantage of the scaling talents in the middle of the demo tree.

31/40 is the most popular, although some people also like 41/30.

Oh god how do I play this?

Basically, warlock dps revolves around refreshing your DoTs on time, and firing off as many nukes (shadowbolt or incinerate) as you can when you aren't doing that. The demonology hybrid builds have this the easiest; they keep immolate, CoA and corruption up, and spam incinerate. Deeper destro builds put up the same dots and also spam incinerate, but must weave in conflag and chaosbolt. Affliction has to watch a menagerie of timers, squeeze in enough shadow bolts to keep shadow embrace up, then switch to the even more cumbersome drain soul as a primary nuke once a mob is below 25% health.

PeeVeePee

Basically, warlock PvP is fucked until at least patch 3.1. Prepare to get bent over by melee, ranged, and casters (even mages! Ever think you'd hear that?) Your survivability will be low, and the only added mobility is the questionably useful demonic circle. If you're determined to step into the arena, the dominant build right now seems to be deep demonology; metamorphisis is a decent panic button that will keep melee off you for at least a little while. If you want to pvp as affliction or destruction, you're still putting 11ish points into demonology to get soul link, and dumping the rest into your tree of choice. Good luck, you're going to need it.

Bonus content: upcoming 3.1 class changes:

Blue posters have seen fit to reveal some of what will change about warlocks in patch 3.1. To wit:
Eyonix wrote:
# Improved Shadow Bolt – this talent now provides a 5% spell critical strike buff (similar to Improved Scorch).
# Improved Soul Leech – this talent now provides Replenishment (similar to shadow priests)
# Drain Soul now has a chance to produce Soul Shards even if the target doesn’t die.
# Siphon Life no longer as an active ability but the talent grants the old Siphon Life effect to Corruption.
# Curse of Recklessness and Curse of Weakness have been combined into one spell
# Consume Shadows – this Voidwalker ability is no longer channeled but has a cooldown.
# Several other warlock talents have had their ranks reduced, their effects changed or removed. This list includes but is not limited to Demonic Empathy, Shadow Embrace, Eradication, Suppression, and Pandemic.
# Additional new talents have been added.

Is that vague as fuck? Yes it is! But 3.1 will hit the PTR soon, so hopefully we'll know more then.

Further Reading

If you're interested in the reasoning behind most of the braindump I've just tossed up here, the warlock class forum at ElitistJerks is a good place to start. This page has a broad breakout of how various specs stack up, as well as some fun destruction-related graphs.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    How do I solo level a Warlock. My first Warlock mind you.

    I have played, since beta no less, exclusively melee classes. Warrior, Rogue, Paladin and Rogue again all to 60 (second Rogue to 70)

    How do I do this?

    scarab you have mental problems
  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    This is my warlock.
    Can anyone steer me in the direction of a few good upgrades?

  • CharusCharus Registered User
    edited July 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    How do I solo level a Warlock. My first Warlock mind you.

    I have played, since beta no less, exclusively melee classes. Warrior, Rogue, Paladin and Rogue again all to 60 (second Rogue to 70)

    How do I do this?

    Quick and dirty guide to how you play an affliction warlock:

    Stat preference on gear: Spell damage > Stamina = Intellect (show a preference to stamina at later levels) > everything else >>>>>>>>>>> Spirit.

    1-10, just nuke mobs down. Use your imp to help you out.

    10-30, send in your voidwalker, let it get in a few of its aggro moves, then put on your dots and then wand/Drain Life it down. Once you have 5/5 Fel Concentration, move onto drain tanking. The higher you go, the less you should worry about the Voidwalker holding aggro.

    30-70 Drain tanking:

    -Have out a succubus (or voidwalker or phase shifted imp, at later levels you should know what you should have out), send it in against a mob.

    -Wind up an immolate (or Unstable Affliction at 50+) at the same time, and it should pull aggro off the succubus and onto you. This is good (you're much more durable and much easier to heal than the succubus).

    -Put the rest of your dots on.

    -If you have a reasonably high health, life tap, then drain life the mob to death at point blank range. You should be able to out-drain the damage most normal mobs do to you.

    -Once it's dead, loot, then do a move that regains you mana (life tap + bandage/cannibalize, Dark pact), and as long as you're reasonably full on health and mana, move onto the next one. The more spell damage you have, the easier it is to keep constantly full on mana and health.

    Prior to level 62, Try to never have completely full health while grinding, if your health is ever higher than your mana, life tap till they even out (this is so your health regen from demon armor is always doing something). At level 62, you get Fel Armor, and at that point trumpets should start playing and a message should pop up that says "You win the game," because once you start breaking the zero-sum nature of draining, it's just stupidly easy to keep yourself alive. Oh, and the extra spell damage isn't too bad either.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    After a while you don't really think of your health and mana as being seperate. Charus has the nut of it; warlock grinding is all about efficiently taking health from mobs, and turning enough of it into mana to keep yourself moving. You can do this pretty well before outland, especially since dark pact lets you cheat a little bit, but with fel armor it gets pretty disgusting.
    Doku-san wrote: »
    This is my warlock.
    Can anyone steer me in the direction of a few good upgrades?

    You're pretty well set up for not having any raid/herioc gear. Do you raid? If so, just check out the Karazhan loot table on Wowhead and work it out for yourself.

    Otherwise, there a couple good instance drops. The rest of the Oblivion set is good, and the two piece set bonus is hard to beat for grinding. You can finish up the shadoweave set, which will serve you well for a good long while. The other tailoring sets are good, also.

    I'm going to give you the same advice I took to heart on my own warlock: run shadow labs. Over and over. Aside from the D3 pieces (dirty murmur) there's the greatsword of horrid dreams, and a nice wand. And probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. I think at one point, about half of my pre-raid gear was from that instance.

    Heroic badges will get you a good offhand and a trinket. Also, nethers for the really good tailoring stuff.

    Edit: also, all the Honor reward dreadweave is pretty good, and not very hard to get these days. Just grind AV.

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  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    This is my warlock.
    Can anyone steer me in the direction of a few good upgrades?
    Get into Karazhan if you aren't there already. Getting there / geared for there should be your sole purpose if you're a PvE player.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm 41 affliction, approaching 1k shadow damage unbuffed. I actually stopped using immolation and I found that my dps went up. I had a much easier time keeping up a curse of doom, corruption, UA, and siphon life without the immolate thrown in there.

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  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    I'm 41 affliction, approaching 1k shadow damage unbuffed. I actually stopped using immolation and I found that my dps went up. I had a much easier time keeping up a curse of doom, corruption, UA, and siphon life without the immolate thrown in there.
    Curse of Doom? Isn't Curse of Shadow a better solution?

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  • SlimceaSlimcea Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm beginning to wonder if Affliction is really that good for raiding once you're past the T4 raids though. Our guild isn't too particularly far into SSC, but I'm seeing tons of aggro wipe mechanics on bosses or the need to burn down things real quick.

    Hydross wipes aggro each phase transition; Lurker loses all dots when he dives and you want to burn down the adds real quick; Spitfire Totems need to burned down too; Leo has aggro wipes all over in human form, making dotting a PITA and Inner Demon requires favours burst damage. All this means your dots fall off or aren't being renewed at some point. Doesn't help that T5 pieces are a loss in pure shadow damage from FSW but a gain in Crit, which is of marginal value to affliction.

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  • SamorisSamoris Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Slimcea wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if Affliction is really that good for raiding once you're past the T4 raids though. Our guild isn't too particularly far into SSC, but I'm seeing tons of aggro wipe mechanics on bosses or the need to burn down things real quick.

    Hydross wipes aggro each phase transition; Lurker loses all dots when he dives and you want to burn down the adds real quick; Spitfire Totems need to burned down too; Leo has aggro wipes all over in human form, making dotting a PITA and Inner Demon requires favours burst damage. All this means your dots fall off or aren't being renewed at some point. Doesn't help that T5 pieces are a loss in pure shadow damage from FSW but a gain in Crit, which is of marginal value to affliction.

    I've been informed that on the lurker fight, while the lurker is below water DoTs will continue to tick, they just expire while he's down there.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Fighting the War on String Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm 41 affliction, approaching 1k shadow damage unbuffed. I actually stopped using immolation and I found that my dps went up. I had a much easier time keeping up a curse of doom, corruption, UA, and siphon life without the immolate thrown in there.
    Curse of Doom? Isn't Curse of Shadow a better solution?

    This is assuming someone else put up CoS. And doom will probably generate more damage then shadows will if it's just you.

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  • Toxic PickleToxic Pickle Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'm curious about something...

    I recently levelled my Warlock to 54, and on this forum and many others, I've read over and over again people talking about using the Succubus with Affliction spec and 'drain-tanking'.

    The question I have about this tactic is... why drain-tank with a succubus, when a Void Walker will tank for me and let me DoT and wand and drain to my heart's content? Yes, he does lose aggro a bit more often nowadays because I do a lot of damage, and yeah I know a VW is not a good idea for PvP.. but for regular ol' PvE grinding... why use anything but a VW?

    I've found that even in doing 5-mans, which are always PuGs, I still keep my VW out most times because I just don't trust most tanks to keep aggro, much less to actually notice when either myself or the group healer is under attack. The VW is like a safety net for getting aggro quickly off squishies.

    So.. what am I doing wrong?

  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Succubus does more damage that a voidwalker so things die faster; drain tanking keeps your health and mana constantly topped off. It's just efficient.

    Also I'd rather look at my succubus's ass than a blue blob.

    >.>

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Back when I was leveling up I would use the succubus a lot, because her damage held aggro almost as well as the VW, especially in the x5-x9 level range (right before the VW gets the next rank of taunt.)

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I remember using the Succi from 30 to 60, but when I got my free respec I took the Felgaurd and he was amazing. Now that I have specd out of Felgaurd, I find that the Succi just cant hold aggro like she used to and I have to rely on the Void Walker which totally slows me down. Luckily, being 70, I rarely use anything but the Imp/Felhunter.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Are the Bloodfyre Robes of Annihilation worth wearing over the Robes of Oblivion?
    No great gems in the Oblivion. Both have a +150 hp enchant on 'em.

  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Are the Bloodfyre Robes of Annihilation worth wearing over the Robes of Oblivion?
    No great gems in the Oblivion. Both have a +150 hp enchant on 'em.
    Oblivion is better. You can socket it with crit if you need crit, or socket it with +dmg or +int gems. A lot more versatile.

    Not to mention that if you get 2 pieces of the set and have dark pact, it owns all until you get T4 or so.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Well, never mind :P
    Got the cloth for my frozen shadoweave robes.
    Just need to get the last 16 water primals..

  • exisexis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Well, never mind :P
    Got the cloth for my frozen shadoweave robes.
    Just need to get the last 16 water primals..

    That reminds me. Need to farm primals on riz's warlock. I continue to be amazed at how easy it is. I've played a shadowpriest, a (poorly geared) mage, and a rogue. And nothing even begins to approach grinding on a warlock.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Just got out of my first heroic instance. I am.. Bored.
    TK instances, the only thing I want is the belt from Arc.
    We did Mech.
    /puke

  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Just got out of my first heroic instance. I am.. Bored.

    :lol: Try heroic BM or OH. Now those will definitely not make you bored. ;)

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yea.. I gotta get attuned for them first. Which means I gotta run 10000 more pugs first.. Really doesn't seem worth it.
    Everyone in my guild was telling me how "awesome" mechanar was on heroic..
    "Here guys have some tokens that you need a bazillion of for anything good"
    Wow! Awesome!
    "Here guys have some sub-par level 70 blue loot"
    Wow! Awesome!

  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Got the cloth for my frozen shadoweave robes.

    Frozen Shadoweave kicks ass. I passed on my T4 shoulders today and opted to keep my FS instead -- they're just that good. I'll be passing on my T5 as well probably (when we finally get people to stay on long enough to get that bastard down).
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Just need to get the last 16 water primals..

    Fishing FTW! You can fish about 2 primal waters in literally 5 minutes. :)
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Everyone in my guild was telling me how "awesome" mechanar was on heroic..

    Meh, I find Mech rather boring. Only reason I ever do it is because the first 3 badges are literally a walk in the park.
    Doku-san wrote: »
    "Here guys have some sub-par level 70 blue loot"
    Wow! Awesome!

    Most bosses drop the same blues as non-heroic, or at least equivalent crappy blues. It's the badges that really matter and even more, it's the kickass epics that drop off the final boss in each heroic. Those are why you should do heroics.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The Mechanaar is 'awesome' on heroic because the first three bosses are super quick and super easy. If it didn't lock you for a day, some people would never leave the place.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Meh. The end bosses loot is rather sup-par for my warlock in TK.
    I guess I should save up for the offhand that everyone seems to use though.

  • exisexis Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Got the cloth for my frozen shadoweave robes.

    Frozen Shadoweave kicks ass. I passed on my T4 shoulders today and opted to keep my FS instead -- they're just that good. I'll be passing on my T5 as well probably (when we finally get people to stay on long enough to get that bastard down).

    Why? I'm assuming you're talking about the shoulders, which are better than Frozen Shadoweave (I haven't looked at the other pieces, but I'd assume they're the same). And the set bonus doesn't really seem that great. When do warlocks run out of mana anyway?

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  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    exis wrote: »
    Why? I'm assuming you're talking about the shoulders, which are better than Frozen Shadoweave (I haven't looked at the other pieces, but I'd assume they're the same). And the set bonus doesn't really seem that great. When do warlocks run out of mana anyway?

    My server's down at the moment, so I can't get the exact numbers, but I'd loose something like 10 damage (I thought it was more than that, hmm). Then again, I would gain 14 hit (fuck, I need hit) and a little hp and mana (meh).

    But don't underestimate the set bonus. Each shadow bolt heals me for 60 to 125.


    *sigh* Now that I think of it though, I'm starting to regret passing on the T4 now, damnit. T5 I definitely don't want (the set bonus sucks), but those T4 are starting to look nicer and nicer. Plus the T4 (4) set isn't half bad...

    Oh well, I can take solace in that I rolled for fun (to see what I woulda gotten) and I wouldn't have won anyway. heh

    Next week perhaps...

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Four out of sixteen primal waters done.
    My eyes hurt..

  • Viper007BondViper007Bond Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Four out of sixteen primal waters done.
    My eyes hurt..

    The eels NE of Shat are easy to kill and drop motes of water. I farmed TONS of the ones on Elemental Plat., but I think those eels might be easier.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I'll kill anything if it means I dont need to swim. The water gives me a headache..

  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Woo. Full Frozen Shadoweave set.
    Now to try and get the pattern for the battlecast hood etc.

  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    exis wrote: »
    Why? I'm assuming you're talking about the shoulders, which are better than Frozen Shadoweave (I haven't looked at the other pieces, but I'd assume they're the same). And the set bonus doesn't really seem that great. When do warlocks run out of mana anyway?

    My server's down at the moment, so I can't get the exact numbers, but I'd loose something like 10 damage (I thought it was more than that, hmm). Then again, I would gain 14 hit (fuck, I need hit) and a little hp and mana (meh).

    But don't underestimate the set bonus. Each shadow bolt heals me for 60 to 125.


    *sigh* Now that I think of it though, I'm starting to regret passing on the T4 now, damnit. T5 I definitely don't want (the set bonus sucks), but those T4 are starting to look nicer and nicer. Plus the T4 (4) set isn't half bad...

    Oh well, I can take solace in that I rolled for fun (to see what I woulda gotten) and I wouldn't have won anyway. heh

    Next week perhaps...

    The T5 four-piece is awesome though. And if you're low on hit, the shoulders are a huge upgrade in that sense. I think with proper socketing I lost like 5 shadow damage for more stam, more int, and a lot more hit. It's arguable about the set bonus but there's few fights where I even approach mana issues (Void Reaver, fucking robots; Tidewalker if I get tombed a lot), it's nice but just not necessary.

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Woo. Full Frozen Shadoweave set.
    Now to try and get the pattern for the SPELLSTRIKE hood etc.

    FixT

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    riz wrote: »
    Doku-san wrote: »
    Woo. Full Frozen Shadoweave set.
    Now to try and get the pattern for the SPELLSTRIKE hood etc.

    FixT

    I.. I need crit?
    I'd rather the stam coming out the ass. I do plan on doing some PvP aswell..

  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Spellstrike has a little bit more damage plus all that hit, and crit doesn't exactly do nothing when half the DPS of an affliction lock is still shadowbolt spam, plus ISB procs are win. I guess if you're not raiding you don't care much about hit but it pains me to see people ignore that stat. It's so big.

    Edit: Also, the set bonus!

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Riz, Spellstrike or T4 hat? Or the hat of Netherspite? Different strokes, etc?

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Riz, Spellstrike or T4 hat? Or the hat of Netherspite? Different strokes, etc?

    Spellstriiiiiike. The Netherspite one is Spellstrike minus two gem sockets. Voidheart is decent but still less damage and no hit. Value of a meta socket is debatable I guess.

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  • Racist JokeRacist Joke Registered User
    edited July 2007
    Spellstrike is superior, but holy moly is it butt ugly. I have my helm turned off cause I hate how it looks. I have my T4 helm, and I wish it was better, cause it looks badass.

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  • BlueDestinyBlueDestiny Registered User
    edited August 2007
    Any tips on getting to 58 from 51 as an affliction lock? I'm kinda screwed right now as most of my quests are orange and spread out all over the damn place.

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  • bearsuitbearsuit Registered User
    edited August 2007
    Any tips on getting to 58 from 51 as an affliction lock? I'm kinda screwed right now as most of my quests are orange and spread out all over the damn place.

    Grind it, or use a leveling guide like Jame's.

  • EWomEWom Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Any tips on getting to 58 from 51 as an affliction lock? I'm kinda screwed right now as most of my quests are orange and spread out all over the damn place.


    Felwood should get you to 55, at which point you can go rock in Winterspring for awhile.

    Felwood is good too cause you can farm demons which drop shit tailors want, so if you are a tailor good for you. If you are not, good for you gold count.

    Then in winterspring you can get Firewater's from the furblogs. Which is nice because there is nothing scarier than a warlock, except a bigger warlock O_o

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