Damn, my Orc thaumaturgist was rolling along, on dungeon level 3, and he was L 4. But then some invisible ancient ghost kept scaring me.. and the Orc god gets all kinds of pissed off when his orcs get frightened, so he smited me, by sending me down to floor 6. Real ugly down there.
I killed a black dragon on level 3 only to uncover his disguise, he was actually a BLACK DRAGON?????? Huh apparently it's all the rage to wear a disguise of yourself.
I killed a black dragon on level 3 only to uncover his disguise, he was actually a BLACK DRAGON?????? Huh apparently it's all the rage to wear a disguise of yourself.
This might seem silly to you, but maybe not everyone wears a disguise of another species. In fact, most disguises humans in real life make are of other humans. Perhaps he was posing as some Black Dragon politician, and you just didn't get the shtick.
The way this game is played it could be possible to make a multiplayer version. One person could be desinated party leader, and does the movement for the party outside of battle. The fights are nice, and the time system could account for mutiple characters.
I would kill for this.
I was thinking about that - it would be pretty hot.
The way this game is played it could be possible to make a multiplayer version. One person could be desinated party leader, and does the movement for the party outside of battle. The fights are nice, and the time system could account for mutiple characters.
I would kill for this.
I was thinking about that - it would be pretty hot.
Have any games like this ever been multiplayer?
I believe Angband, which is great, has a multiplayer variant called Mangband.
I killed a black dragon on level 3 only to uncover his disguise, he was actually a BLACK DRAGON?????? Huh apparently it's all the rage to wear a disguise of yourself.
This might seem silly to you, but maybe not everyone wears a disguise of another species. In fact, most disguises humans in real life make are of other humans. Perhaps he was posing as some Black Dragon politician, and you just didn't get the shtick.
Also, third floor is hard
Hahha I never thought about it that way. Really this game can be a lot less hard if you happen to get lucky with some items in the shop. I got a plus 5 leather armor for my drow rogue and a plus 5 acidic dagger really made the first 3 levels of the dungeon a lot easier. Of course I hit the fourth floor and couldn't land a hit on what I was attacking.
Der Waffle MousBlame this on the misfortune of your birth.New Yark, New Yark.Registered Userregular
edited August 2007
Strangely enough, I've once had a Dwarven +5 Platemail of Fortification or something. It was so expensive that the price wrapped around to the point where it was 2gp.
Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
edited August 2007
There is nothing as satisfying as sitting down and eating an enemy who has been causing you trouble. And eating your animal companions after they die. What I'm saying is that I enjoy how this game doesn't punish you for eating the dead, most roguelikes would have had me die of a mysterious disease from this act, here I just get raped by bears whenever I hit level 3.
Mojo_Jojo on
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Whatever you do make sure you DO NOT do an area attack in a graveyard. It destroys the gravestones and spawns many many many angry crazy powerful undead that want to kill you.
There is nothing as satisfying as sitting down and eating an enemy who has been causing you trouble. And eating your animal companions after they die. What I'm saying is that I enjoy how this game doesn't punish you for eating the dead, most roguelikes would have had me die of a mysterious disease from this act, here I just get raped by bears whenever I hit level 3.
I'm running low on food, and so I'm going to have to start eating people soon, which is bad because I'm not immune to disease.
I bet a orc paladin would rule!
Edit: Flaming spheres are more dangerous than you would think they would be with 12 reflex save and evasion.
Whatever you do make sure you DO NOT do an area attack in a graveyard. It destroys the gravestones and spawns many many many angry crazy powerful undead that want to kill you.
What a coincidence, I was gonna post the same thing. In my case, I kicked open a door with an explosive trap while in said graveyard. Now the entire graveyard is up in arms, and something just wrapped its tentacles around me. I don't like where this is going. D:D:
SAVED, at 9hp, by a potion of dimension door. Wheee, now to get the fuck outta here.
Wow, I just got taken out by some sort of evil fruit garden. I step into an abandoned temple, only to be immediately sprayed by a spore plant, causing confusion. I then aimlessly stagger over to a dark tree, which after a short fight, grabs me and slams around everywhere. To top it off, while this is happening, a vampiric melon bounces up and starts sucking my blood, giving constitution damage. My potion of dimension door is rendered useless since I stepped on a dimension anchor trap earlier. I die very quickly, hitting -1 hp. Damn, that was nuts. :P
The way this game is played it could be possible to make a multiplayer version. One person could be desinated party leader, and does the movement for the party outside of battle. The fights are nice, and the time system could account for mutiple characters.
I would kill for this.
I was thinking about that - it would be pretty hot.
Have any games like this ever been multiplayer?
Angband has Mangband
Tome has TomeNet
Nethack has Internethack
Whatever you do make sure you DO NOT do an area attack in a graveyard. It destroys the gravestones and spawns many many many angry crazy powerful undead that want to kill you.
What a coincidence, I was gonna post the same thing. In my case, I kicked open a door with an explosive trap while in said graveyard. Now the entire graveyard is up in arms, and something just wrapped its tentacles around me. I don't like where this is going. D:D:
SAVED, at 9hp, by a potion of dimension door. Wheee, now to get the fuck outta here.
Can you kick a gravestone to cause the same thing?
I don't know. Feel free to try tough, but understand that you're gonna get at least one monster per gravestone, so you're gonna get swamped quick, and somehow tentacles will get involved.
I want to be a necromancer/priest of mara however I find it very hard to stay good and I'm losing alignment in ways I don't understand. Are all spells that use negative energy inherantly evil? Sometimes when I summon a creature and it attacks an evil hostile creature who isn't trying I lose alignment every time it attacks and I don't know why. How do you tell if a spell is inherantly evil? Since I need to start as a mage to get spellbooks and the channeling stone and phase door how can I stay good so Mara will accept me?
Okay, I'm getting a bit tired of invisible crap like "phantasmal plague of spiders" or whatever that can just follow me around and hit me all they like. How does one kill what one can't see?
Please give me your solutions, as creative as you need be. (besides hiding inside a summoning circle for the rest of your days . . .)
(sound of crickets chirping)
C'mon guys, what do you do to get rid of that stuff other than run like hell, quaff potions and pray?
Man fuck this game. I just spent like half an hour reading through all this awesome character creation stuff, made a Dwarf cleric (homage to Dwarf Fortress, my first roguelike) and set off on my journey. I was clubbed to death by a goblin.
I can't remember being this confused and overwhelmed by a game since... well, since Dwarf Fortress, which quickly became one of my all time favourite games and a horrible addiction. I'll give this another shot sometime soon.
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
Whatever you do make sure you DO NOT do an area attack in a graveyard. It destroys the gravestones and spawns many many many angry crazy powerful undead that want to kill you.
What a coincidence, I was gonna post the same thing. In my case, I kicked open a door with an explosive trap while in said graveyard. Now the entire graveyard is up in arms, and something just wrapped its tentacles around me. I don't like where this is going. D:D:
SAVED, at 9hp, by a potion of dimension door. Wheee, now to get the fuck outta here.
Can you kick a gravestone to cause the same thing?
I can confirm that yes indeed, kicking a tomb caused a giant deer to appear and rape my rogue to death.
Mojo_Jojo on
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
Angus: AUUUGHHH
You cast entangle, you disturb a grave you wake the dead, you disturb a grave, you wake the dead, you disturb a grave, you wake the dead. me: Yeah.
Don't
Don't cast AOEs in graveyards.
They don't like that. Angus: There goes my druid.
Turns out animal companions are useless.
Also, what kind of game throws intangibles at you on the first floor?
WHO WOULD DO THAT?
How is the combat? Is it the basic 'You hit <monster> for <damage>' things, or does it have body location damage like the roguelike portion of Dwarf Fortress, or uhh... the other one I can't think of where I bruised my spleen and puked all over a goblin.
Okay, I now see the combat is very D&D-like. It's no spleen-busting Dwarf Fortress-ness, but it is quite awesome, and I say this having gotten through a total of 3 hallways before a skeleton with a greatsword killed me.
Also, what kind of game throws intangibles at you on the first floor?
WHO WOULD DO THAT?
Yeah, disturbing graveyards tends to get you those kind of critters. I think it also spawns some creatures with the undead hunter tag on them, but I didn't get to check whether they actually hunted the undead spawned since they apparently knew I was the one who triggered them. They wanted to kick my ass too, so I ran.
Oh, some quick tips for starting survival:
The 8 potions around the perimeter of the starting area are basically freebies. Five of them are always healing, and the other 3 are always dimension door (teleports you away from current location). Also, if you check a group of scrolls, the stack with the highest number tends to be scrolls of identify; it's no guarentee, but it's mentionable.
Best strategies for dealing with poltergiests, IMO,
in the current build, are (a) using area of effect
wands, if you have them, (b) magic missile if you
are a mage, (c) if you are an elf, manifestation
helps, (d) there is currently a bug that lets
you attack poltergiests -- go to the combat options
menu, select Attack, then try every square around
you until you find the one with the poltergiest in it.
As long as you have a magical weapon, you have
at least a chance of striking true, and most of the
non-spellcasting classes start with a magic weapon
of some kind. If you don't strike true the first time,
keep trying; (e) there are potions in the store
called Potion of Faerie that will duplicate Manifestation
if you can afford them, (f) if you can see the damn
thing, you can cow, quell or surrender to the ghost;
(g) if you are a ranger, rogue or monk, and you can
get out of its line of sight and hide, it will stop attacking
you because it can't see you; (h) Alicorn Lance works
well against poltergiests for druids, but you might not
be high enough level; (i) some gods will smite your
enemies for you when you pray for aid, and you can
check using the Seek Insight prayer option.
It's also worth noting that Incursion creatures are
programmed to not leave melee in most circumstances,
to avoid suffering attacks of opportunity. So if you can
summon something beside the poltergiest and then move
away, it will stay with the summons rather than continuing
to attack you.
Remember that magic spells and weapons have a 50%
miss chance against incorporeality -- if a magic weapon
or spell does not affect an incorporeal creature, /try
again/. Poltergiests are kind of like training wheels for
the truly badass incorporeals -- the ones that can actually
kill you.
In some cases, the best option might be to get to the
nearest stairs and jump levels to lose the poltergiest,
if frex you have no magic weapon and no decent wands
or source of see invisible.
I plan to make some changes to the next version to
ease this source of frusteration:
* Set a minimum depth of 2 or 3 for poltergiests
* Add an alchemical item players can manufacture
that allow seeing invisible.
* Fix the bug that lets incorporeal undead track
you when you dimension door out of their
immediate line of sight.
* Add an option to cow/quell/surrender to creatures
you cannot see
* Maybe have gods that grant "clarity of mind" also
let you see invisible if you are currently being
menaced by invisible creatures and pray for aid
* Put a single potion of see invisible in the starting
dungeon room.
Hopefully these things together will make the
issue more fair.
DaveTheWave,
Like in Crawl, low-level Incursion characters can
sometimes die very unfair early deaths. This is
part of the nature of the game's primary challenge:
survive long enough to protect yourself against the
bad stuff. To amelorate the frustration of this, there
is an option to 'clone' a character you liked and try
again.
I think I have a bug to report. The manual claims that a wild shaped druid can open doors regardless of whether or not his animal form has hands. I wild shaped my lizardman druid into a pygmy war rhino and was unable to open any doors with him; I had to wild shape into a baboon in order to open any doors. I was also unable to see a way to resume my natural shape, but this might be an oversight on my part.
I also have a suggestion -- druids shaped into appropriate animals should be able to charge and destroy doors.
skimbleshanks on
The more laws and order are made prominent,
The more thieves and robbers there will be.
-Lao-tzu
Like in Crawl, low-level Incursion characters can
sometimes die very unfair early deaths. This is
part of the nature of the game's primary challenge:
survive long enough to protect yourself against the
bad stuff. To amelorate the frustration of this, there
is an option to 'clone' a character you liked and try
again.
Speaking of this -- is there a limited number of "clones" you can do? I ask cause occasionally my favorite characters vanish from the reincarnation menu, which is a bummer.
I managed to summon a orc monk with a wand, and have it kill me in one turn. Also I had generated a dungeon with only one way to go and only one door that was at an angle instead of being one of the four cardinal directions. The game in general has just been acting wacky for me today. For instance generally when cloaked and moving around the creatures around me also move, but now they are just standing there before they would follow me even if I was hiding.
Posts
This might seem silly to you, but maybe not everyone wears a disguise of another species. In fact, most disguises humans in real life make are of other humans. Perhaps he was posing as some Black Dragon politician, and you just didn't get the shtick.
Also, third floor is hard
Have any games like this ever been multiplayer?
I believe Angband, which is great, has a multiplayer variant called Mangband.
Hahha I never thought about it that way. Really this game can be a lot less hard if you happen to get lucky with some items in the shop. I got a plus 5 leather armor for my drow rogue and a plus 5 acidic dagger really made the first 3 levels of the dungeon a lot easier. Of course I hit the fourth floor and couldn't land a hit on what I was attacking.
I'm running low on food, and so I'm going to have to start eating people soon, which is bad because I'm not immune to disease.
I bet a orc paladin would rule!
Edit: Flaming spheres are more dangerous than you would think they would be with 12 reflex save and evasion.
SAVED, at 9hp, by a potion of dimension door. Wheee, now to get the fuck outta here.
Angband has Mangband
Tome has TomeNet
Nethack has Internethack
Can you kick a gravestone to cause the same thing?
(sound of crickets chirping)
C'mon guys, what do you do to get rid of that stuff other than run like hell, quaff potions and pray?
Registered member since '04, Lurking since '99!
Likewise, most of the time turn undead is a godsend.
Hell, lots of times it's basically free experience.
I can't remember being this confused and overwhelmed by a game since... well, since Dwarf Fortress, which quickly became one of my all time favourite games and a horrible addiction. I'll give this another shot sometime soon.
For some reason this has intrigued me enough to give it a try
He gave it a shot.
Following is a Gtalk transcription.
Angus: AUUUGHHH
You cast entangle, you disturb a grave you wake the dead, you disturb a grave, you wake the dead, you disturb a grave, you wake the dead.
me: Yeah.
Don't
Don't cast AOEs in graveyards.
They don't like that.
Angus: There goes my druid.
Turns out animal companions are useless.
Also, what kind of game throws intangibles at you on the first floor?
WHO WOULD DO THAT?
Oh, some quick tips for starting survival:
I hope that helps.
Best strategies for dealing with poltergiests, IMO,
in the current build, are (a) using area of effect
wands, if you have them, (b) magic missile if you
are a mage, (c) if you are an elf, manifestation
helps, (d) there is currently a bug that lets
you attack poltergiests -- go to the combat options
menu, select Attack, then try every square around
you until you find the one with the poltergiest in it.
As long as you have a magical weapon, you have
at least a chance of striking true, and most of the
non-spellcasting classes start with a magic weapon
of some kind. If you don't strike true the first time,
keep trying; (e) there are potions in the store
called Potion of Faerie that will duplicate Manifestation
if you can afford them, (f) if you can see the damn
thing, you can cow, quell or surrender to the ghost;
(g) if you are a ranger, rogue or monk, and you can
get out of its line of sight and hide, it will stop attacking
you because it can't see you; (h) Alicorn Lance works
well against poltergiests for druids, but you might not
be high enough level; (i) some gods will smite your
enemies for you when you pray for aid, and you can
check using the Seek Insight prayer option.
It's also worth noting that Incursion creatures are
programmed to not leave melee in most circumstances,
to avoid suffering attacks of opportunity. So if you can
summon something beside the poltergiest and then move
away, it will stay with the summons rather than continuing
to attack you.
Remember that magic spells and weapons have a 50%
miss chance against incorporeality -- if a magic weapon
or spell does not affect an incorporeal creature, /try
again/. Poltergiests are kind of like training wheels for
the truly badass incorporeals -- the ones that can actually
kill you.
In some cases, the best option might be to get to the
nearest stairs and jump levels to lose the poltergiest,
if frex you have no magic weapon and no decent wands
or source of see invisible.
I plan to make some changes to the next version to
ease this source of frusteration:
* Set a minimum depth of 2 or 3 for poltergiests
* Add an alchemical item players can manufacture
that allow seeing invisible.
* Fix the bug that lets incorporeal undead track
you when you dimension door out of their
immediate line of sight.
* Add an option to cow/quell/surrender to creatures
you cannot see
* Maybe have gods that grant "clarity of mind" also
let you see invisible if you are currently being
menaced by invisible creatures and pray for aid
* Put a single potion of see invisible in the starting
dungeon room.
Hopefully these things together will make the
issue more fair.
DaveTheWave,
Like in Crawl, low-level Incursion characters can
sometimes die very unfair early deaths. This is
part of the nature of the game's primary challenge:
survive long enough to protect yourself against the
bad stuff. To amelorate the frustration of this, there
is an option to 'clone' a character you liked and try
again.
I also have a suggestion -- druids shaped into appropriate animals should be able to charge and destroy doors.
The more thieves and robbers there will be.
-Lao-tzu
Never mind figured it out.
Speaking of this -- is there a limited number of "clones" you can do? I ask cause occasionally my favorite characters vanish from the reincarnation menu, which is a bummer.
Thank you much. Those ideas help.
Registered member since '04, Lurking since '99!