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The actual number of US troops dead in Iraq: over 15,000
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WARNING! the site below has illegal graphic images of the dead.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2598.htm
George Orwell, ‘1984’
“Whether war is a necessary factor in the evolution of mankind may be disputed, but a fact which cannot be questioned is that, from the earliest records of man to the present age, war has been his dominant preoccupation. There has never been a period in human history altogether free from war, and seldom one of more than a generation which has not witnessed a major conflict: great wars flow and ebb almost as regularly as the tides. This becomes more noticeable when a civilization ages and begins to decay, as seemingly is happening to our world-wide industrial civilization. Whereas but a generation or two back, war was accepted as an instrument of policy, it has now become policy itself.â€
General J.F.C. Fuller, 1954
The Bush/Cheney Butcher’s Bill: Officially, 51 US Military Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan from 1 December 2006 –14 December 2006- Official Total of 3,233 US dead to date (and rising) The actual total of dead American military personnel is now over 15,000 and also rising, and the number of seriously wounded is now ca 27,000. It should be noted that the death toll in October, 2006, 112, was the highest to date. The previous highest number since the beginning of the war was 108 in 2005. An insurgent mortar attack on Camp Falcon in southern Baghdad on October 11-12, 2006 caused stored ammunition to explode and initial reports indicate over 300 officially unreported casualties, dead and wounded. Ed
Mr. President, why don’t you pull out…like your father should have? Brian Harring
Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The actual death toll is in excess of 10,000. (See the official records at the end of this piece.) Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 2,000+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate over12,000 dead, over 25,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on –
The government gets away with these huge lies because they claim, falsely, that only soldiers actually killed on the ground in Iraq are reported. The dying and critically wounded are listed as en route to military hospitals outside of the country and not reported on the daily postings. Anyone who dies just as the transport takes off from the Baghdad airport is not listed and neither are those who die in the US military hospitals. Their families are certainly notified that their son, husband, brother or lover was dead and the bodies, or what is left of them (refrigeration is very bad in Iraq what with constant power outages) are shipped home, to Dover AFB. This, we note, was the overall policy until very recently. Since it became well known that many had died at Landstuhl, in Germany, the DoD began to list a very few soldiers who had died at other non-theater locations. These numbers are only for show and are pathetically small in relationship to the actual figures. You ought to realize that President Bush personally ordered that no pictures be taken of the coffined and flag-draped dead under any circumstances. He claims that this is to comfort the bereaved relatives but is designed to keep the huge number of arriving bodies secret. Any civilian, or military personnel, taking pictures will be jailed at once and prosecuted. Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a terrible physical coward and in a constant state of denial, this is not a surprise.
All I can say is wow.
Does this not piss you off?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2598.htm
George Orwell, ‘1984’
“Whether war is a necessary factor in the evolution of mankind may be disputed, but a fact which cannot be questioned is that, from the earliest records of man to the present age, war has been his dominant preoccupation. There has never been a period in human history altogether free from war, and seldom one of more than a generation which has not witnessed a major conflict: great wars flow and ebb almost as regularly as the tides. This becomes more noticeable when a civilization ages and begins to decay, as seemingly is happening to our world-wide industrial civilization. Whereas but a generation or two back, war was accepted as an instrument of policy, it has now become policy itself.â€
General J.F.C. Fuller, 1954
The Bush/Cheney Butcher’s Bill: Officially, 51 US Military Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan from 1 December 2006 –14 December 2006- Official Total of 3,233 US dead to date (and rising) The actual total of dead American military personnel is now over 15,000 and also rising, and the number of seriously wounded is now ca 27,000. It should be noted that the death toll in October, 2006, 112, was the highest to date. The previous highest number since the beginning of the war was 108 in 2005. An insurgent mortar attack on Camp Falcon in southern Baghdad on October 11-12, 2006 caused stored ammunition to explode and initial reports indicate over 300 officially unreported casualties, dead and wounded. Ed
Mr. President, why don’t you pull out…like your father should have? Brian Harring
Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The actual death toll is in excess of 10,000. (See the official records at the end of this piece.) Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 2,000+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate over12,000 dead, over 25,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on –
The government gets away with these huge lies because they claim, falsely, that only soldiers actually killed on the ground in Iraq are reported. The dying and critically wounded are listed as en route to military hospitals outside of the country and not reported on the daily postings. Anyone who dies just as the transport takes off from the Baghdad airport is not listed and neither are those who die in the US military hospitals. Their families are certainly notified that their son, husband, brother or lover was dead and the bodies, or what is left of them (refrigeration is very bad in Iraq what with constant power outages) are shipped home, to Dover AFB. This, we note, was the overall policy until very recently. Since it became well known that many had died at Landstuhl, in Germany, the DoD began to list a very few soldiers who had died at other non-theater locations. These numbers are only for show and are pathetically small in relationship to the actual figures. You ought to realize that President Bush personally ordered that no pictures be taken of the coffined and flag-draped dead under any circumstances. He claims that this is to comfort the bereaved relatives but is designed to keep the huge number of arriving bodies secret. Any civilian, or military personnel, taking pictures will be jailed at once and prosecuted. Bush has never attended any kind of a memorial service for his dead soldiers and never will. He is terrified some parent might curse him in front of the press or, worse, attack him. As Bush is a terrible physical coward and in a constant state of denial, this is not a surprise.
All I can say is wow.
Does this not piss you off?
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Not really, it makes me want to see his substantiation of the claims.
because the bush administration hasn't shown any examples of trying to control the media to keep support of the war?
why don't you compare your copies of the flight manifests to his.
send him an email, i'm sure he won't mind schooling you.
Fair and balanced!
...so here's a thought. In this age of newfangled Interbutts and cellphones and such, how is it that the families of 12,000 soldiers haven't noticed that their child/parent/spouse hasn't contacted them for months?
Oh, right, because this is almost certainly a steaming pile of bullshit served up in a crackpot. I mean, crockpot.
Also, is it still forbidden for the American media to show pictures of returning flag draped coffins from Iraq and Afghanistan?
That number has not hit 15k.
ha! you should get a job working for bill o'rly, spewing bs on the internets.
Okay, that's kind of a stupid question.
People are already pissed off at 3,000+ dead. At 15,000 dead, there'd probably be rioting in the streets, especially if it turned out that the government was covering up 12,000 deaths.
I speak entirely in hypotheticals, you understand.
That is proof of his claims how, exactly?
wow.
ok the stars and stripes is run by the military.
if bush can manipulate every major media outlet not owned by the military........
again, they don't count those who die en route to german as "dying in iraq" so they wouldn't post them in that paper either.
Well trying to 100 percent prove anything in a war zone is pretty hard. The first casualty of war is truth right?
Point is, there is more evidence that this would be accurate than evidence that it wouldn't.
if it bothers you so much try to disprove it yourself.
Do you have anything intelligent to say, or does your repertoire consist only of posting articles full of unsubstantiated claims and making stupid jokes related to Fox News hosts?
No, no it's not. And they do report the ones en route to Germany. Believe me, I know this for a fact.
It's less the number of deaths that pisses people off as it is the period of time over which those deaths have occurred and during which nothing has changed. If the war cost 15k lives but everything became flowers and lollipops support for the war would still be high. It's the constant lack of any tangible advancement that's the issue.
Hint: It's on you.
I didn't think that needed to be said; we're clearly talking about everything else being equal, just the casualty numbers changing.
if it was 10 dollars a gallon you'd see that.
it's currently 2.70 where i live, and never got over 3 something.
but i digress.
surely any of you can see what bush has to gain by keeping military deaths as narrowly defined as possible.
it doesn't take that much reasoning power.
Then show it.
You have the burden of proof, not me. Now let's see that evidence. (Here's a hint, calling Bush a liar is not actually evidence.)
famous last words of a person who is uneducated and uninformed.
just because you're lazy and unwilling to see the facts doesn't mean you should spread your crap opinions over the internet.
I think if somebody has gone to this much trouble to research the death tolls, and compared manifests that they know more about this issue than a troll on pennyarcade.com.
or would you only believe him if there was a picture of the guy with the manifests to prove he actually saw them?
This reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy tinfoil hat people. Who simultaneously hold that bush is a total idiot and simultaneously engineered the greatest coverup in the history of the world.
Gee my son is over in Iraq and hasn't called me in 4 years i wonder where he is? Not like anyone would notice 13,000 missing dead soldiers... where are they buried under the sound stage where they faked the moon landing?
Just because someone could benefit from a deception doesn't mean that that deception is occurring; in this case, I don't believe this particular deception is even feasible for them to attempt.
I'm sure you can also see what he would have to gain by using his mind control power to prevent the Illuminati from attacking the space lizards who have provided for him and put him in the white house. It doesn't take all that much reasoning power, but feel free to try and disprove it.
It got to $4, here. And the most that happened was people made jokes about it.
Sure, he has a bit to gain.
But unless we're actually being -defeated-, nobody cares.
you have the ability to track information that is hidden from you?
didn't think so.
it's not that they are dead and not coming back, or that their familys don't know their dead, its that the number is being misreported.
what your saying would be as sensible as every military family in the country calling each other to count the bodies and then calling you personally to let you know.
think before you type plz.
Having a secret that big spill is more risky than letting the truth be known.
...so what I get out of this is, "No, Mr. Practice, I don't know what 'burden of proof' is! Could you 'splain it for me?"
Well, Billy, when somebody makes any positive claim, such as "The sky is blue" or "Pennies are made out of copper" or "Evil Broccoli Monsters are planning the overthrow of human civilization", it is his responsibility to provide evidence for the claim. This is known as the "burden of proof". It is not the province of the opponent to have to prove that pennies are not made out of copper or that broccoli monsters really just want to get along peaceably with their human neighbors, any more than it is their responsibility to prove that the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn't exist.
"Gee Willikers, Mr. Practice! I had no idea! No wonder I'm acting like such an idiot, and making non sequitirs comprised mostly of somewhat bizarre insults!"
Yes, Billy. And you know what that means.
"Oh no, not the Iron Maiden again!"
Only for half an hour this time, Billy.
Because they control the newspapers and corporations that fund politicians and thus bend them to the space lizard will. Also, they have psychic shields.
Now, if what you're saying is true, then there are 12k families out there who don't care about any of that.
Either that, or al-Qaeda managed to kill only bachelor orphans of the Army.
Too bad our dudes keep getting fragged, or they'd get the M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!!!!
Troop Annie really wasn't very well trained.