A retarded man who is crying and promising a broken egg that it will be a chicken someday. And that they will play together in a field when it gets better.
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What is that from. It sounds so familiar.
That would be Achewood.
I'm not sure the fact that say, Bugs Bunny sugarcoats murder is that meaningful unless people can't tell the difference between cartoon violence and the real thing.
Clubbing baby seals - I had to think on this one but you could do it if you replaced the moles in Whack-a-Mole with seals. See kids? Clubbing seals is fun!
and that deal with 'totally not betty boop' done by comedy central. Bunch of cartoon characters live in a house. Forget the name, but one of the running gags was that she cut herself.
I think thats Drawn Together, and that show all on it's own sugarcoats innumerable amounts of things.
Clubbing baby seals - I had to think on this one but you could do it if you replaced the moles in Whack-a-Mole with seals. See kids? Clubbing seals is fun!
There was a Farside comic involving baby seals getting clubbed.
and that deal with 'totally not betty boop' done by comedy central. Bunch of cartoon characters live in a house. Forget the name, but one of the running gags was that she cut herself.
I think thats Drawn Together, and that show all on it's own sugarcoats innumerable amounts of things.
and that deal with 'totally not betty boop' done by comedy central. Bunch of cartoon characters live in a house. Forget the name, but one of the running gags was that she cut herself.
I think thats Drawn Together, and that show all on it's own sugarcoats innumerable amounts of things.
I think it's more accurate to say "satirize" than "sugarcoat." That show is obviously too crass for kids, and they're pretty stridently not concerned with sensibilities. I mean that in the best way possible. It's actually refreshing to see a show that is so unapologetically offensive.
Re: Oompa loompas. Even if they weren't slaves, they were still being used as test subjects for new candy. I mean NINETEEN innocent oompa loompas got turned into blueberries! Does the fact that they were paid in chocolate make up for that?
I think it's more accurate to say "satirize" than "sugarcoat." That show is obviously too crass for kids, and they're pretty stridently not concerned with sensibilities. I mean that in the best way possible. It's actually refreshing to see a show that is so unapologetically offensive.
I agree, it's far more satire than sugarcoating, but it does still have that "I feel bad for laughing at something this horrible" quality to it. And I adore Drawn Together for just that reason.
right, but is satirizes people with mental issues, trivializing the damage done by their actions.
I must have missed that episode, I don't remember one making fun of mentally handicapped people. Then again I haven't seen all that much of the show, but what I did see was rather amusing.
right, but is satirizes people with mental issues, trivializing the damage done by their actions.
I must have missed that episode, I don't remember one making fun of mentally handicapped people. Then again I haven't seen all that much of the show, but what I did see was rather amusing.
mental issues as in serious emotional damage and psychological issues.
right, but is satirizes people with mental issues, trivializing the damage done by their actions.
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I don't think I get your drift. Are you saying the proper way to depict people with mental issues in media is to show how they need to be locked up in a padded cell because they are destructive forces?
Anyway, I think you are again reading too much into the show. It's purely absurdist comedy done strictly for cheap laughs. It's not trying to promote any values. It doesn't HAVE any values. If you have a problem with that, that's fine, chacun a son gout. But you begin to approach the realm of unreasonability if you assert that the show is trying to promote certain degenerate messages, because the show has no message whatsoever.
@ BrokenAngel -- I think the episode redx is referring to is the one with Clara's retarded sister. And it's not even the most offensive one. I think the one where Clara gets Foxxy to teach her to pole dance so that she can get her father's love because the man loves him some strippers is far far worse.
not really talking about a specific episode so much as every single scene with Toot Braunstein(had to look that up).
Mention it in regard to the comment about not being able to sugar coat self harm. By mocking folks with emotional issues and using stuff like self mutilation as a punch line, it makes those sort of actions seem... something... not like, more acceptable. Like something that should be ridiculed rather than a serious sign someone is a risk to themself and others? ehh... something like that anyway.
Are you talking about the Dinsey movie? Because if so, that wasn't sugar coating, just plain stupid.
Maybe Mulan, what with the Mongols fighting the Imperial army, but that's a stretch. The Mongols didn't settle in China like the Europeans settled in America; Mulan had the invading forces and battles but not the culture clash, if I remember right.
The Little Mermaid had a theme of seduction, didn't it? The Ariel girl had to kiss the guy to win the bet and even had her Jamaican crab friend create mood music about getting to second base.
not really talking about a specific episode so much as every single scene with Toot Braunstein(had to look that up).
Mention it in regard to the comment about not being able to sugar coat self harm. By mocking folks with emotional issues and using stuff like self mutilation as a punch line, it makes those sort of actions seem... something... not like, more acceptable. Like something that should be ridiculed rather than a serious sign someone is a risk to themself and others? ehh... something like that anyway.
Self mutilation is made fun of VERY frequently nowadays, with the "emo kid" trend starting a huge amount of cutting jokes. As I said I haven't seen too much of the show, but what I have seen of it has never seemed to go much into Toots cutting herself. A few very short glimpses with no real "joke" to it at most.
not really talking about a specific episode so much as every single scene with Toot Braunstein(had to look that up).
Mention it in regard to the comment about not being able to sugar coat self harm. By mocking folks with emotional issues and using stuff like self mutilation as a punch line, it makes those sort of actions seem... something... not like, more acceptable. Like something that should be ridiculed rather than a serious sign someone is a risk to themself and others? ehh... something like that anyway.
Yeah, your argument sounds similar to the whole "[insert offensive show here] makes people think it's ok to do bad things" line held so staunchly by a lot of conservative people. And I guess it might be a valid argument for kids shows or something, but these shows are directly marketed to adults, who aren't so impressionable and (for the most part) have an ounce of common sense. I mean, if you're over 22 and see a joke about cutting, are you going to think that cutting is a subject that should taken lightly? Or if you see the episode where Captain Hero takes advantage of Clara's retarded sister, are you going to start cruising for mentally handicapped women because they're easier to get into bed?
There's a difference between being disrespectful and being able to see humor in serious or weird situations. And, well, humor is also a funny thing (no pun intended). When Rosie O'Donnell made that "You know, in China, people are going, 'Ching chong, ching chong ching'" comment, I wanted to slap her for being a dumb bitch. But that clip of Steven Colbert asking for tea and then going "come in my rickshaw and I take you to Bangkok" was just comedy gold. Anyway, different people, different senses of humor, and some people might have thought O'Donnell was hilarious, and some others probably found the Colbert clip offensive. Chacun a son gout. My point is, I think it's fairly easy for mature adults to detect malicious intent, and we should exercise that, in addition to common sense, when we judge whether or not something is truly offensive and deserving reprimand.
Are you talking about the Dinsey movie? Because if so, that wasn't sugar coating, just plain stupid.
Maybe Mulan, what with the Mongols fighting the Imperial army, but that's a stretch. The Mongols didn't settle in China like the Europeans settled in America; Mulan had the invading forces and battles but not the culture clash, if I remember right.
The Little Mermaid had a theme of seduction, didn't it? The Ariel girl had to kiss the guy to win the bet and even had her Jamaican crab friend create mood music about getting to second base.
It's not seduction, he wanted it, he just didn't know it. No, seriously, he was pining for Ariel all this time but was too fucktarded to realize who she was.
Are you talking about the Dinsey movie? Because if so, that wasn't sugar coating, just plain stupid.
Maybe Mulan, what with the Mongols fighting the Imperial army, but that's a stretch. The Mongols didn't settle in China like the Europeans settled in America; Mulan had the invading forces and battles but not the culture clash, if I remember right.
The Little Mermaid had a theme of seduction, didn't it? The Ariel girl had to kiss the guy to win the bet and even had her Jamaican crab friend create mood music about getting to second base.
It's not seduction, he wanted it, he just didn't know it. No, seriously, he was pining for Ariel all this time but was too fucktarded to realize who she was.
Actually that movie was incredibly "sugarcoated".
In the original fairy tale...
the Prince marries another girl who he fell in love with, and the little mermaid commits suicide.
Two things come to mind (I haven't read through the thread)
The POW getting shot in the head in korea or Vietnam (Im mad that I can't remember which)
Vam' IIRC.
Is explaining that summery executions for spies isn't out of the norm, and that un-uniformed officers behind enemy lines during combat are considered spies, sugar coating?
It's certainly and attempt to at least justify it somewhat.
I thought it was more 'turns into seafoam' than suicide. It's been a while since I read it. Also the whole process of turning into a person and walking about with uncalloused feet was rather grim, , in the text.
I thought it was more 'turns into seafoam' than suicide. It's been a while since I read it. Also the whole process of turning into a person and walking about with uncalloused feet was rather grim, , in the text.
In the version I read, it was every step would feel like walking on a knife's edge. And yeah, she dissolved into seafoam, but the way it's told, you get the sense that she knew what was going to happen and she purposefully ended her own life. And why are we spoilering hundred-year-old fairy tales? Here's a spoiler, King Kong dies.
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Honestly, anything by Disney is by definition a Sugarcoat.
Two things come to mind (I haven't read through the thread)
The POW getting shot in the head in korea or Vietnam (Im mad that I can't remember which)
The school kid getting run over by the tank in China
Pretty hard to sugarcoat that shit
The POW being shot in the head wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Considering the guy was actually a fucking Vietcong who killed entire families just hours earlier. The general who shot him was a pretty good dude, I read up on him and watched the video. He just walks up to him and kills the guy quickly and calmly, barely even stops to aim. The picture that was taken makes it look so much more dramatic, but really the guy is already dead by the time the photographer snapped the picture. You can see the bullet coming out of his head if you look closely.
And I don't think a school kid got run over in China... are you talking about the guy who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen square? Pretty sure he was pulled away.
Summary execution is a war crime. The Tiananman Square dude didn't get run over, the tank backed down. Then he was carried off by some guys with bikes and likely got tortured until death.
Orcs are "humanoids" who are inherently, objectively Evil, both on an individual and societal level. Your goal, as a hero who is objectively Good, is to systematically exterminate them in as efficient a manner as possible, all the while looting their possessions and obliterating their equally Evil religious iconography. Don't bother with burying them; just leave the bodies where they fall and move on to the next peasant village... er, I mean, dungeon.
Orcs are "humanoids" who are inherently, objectively Evil, both on an individual and societal level. Your goal, as a hero who is objectively Good, is to systematically exterminate them in as efficient a manner as possible, all the while looting their possessions and obliterating their equally Evil religious iconography. Don't bother with burying them; just leave the bodies where they fall and move on to the next peasant village... er, I mean, dungeon.
To be fair this is really just expressing our fundamental desire to just for once have an enemy who really does deserve to die. Hence why it's a fantasy world.
And hell even then, people have realized that maybe the Orcs should have a society and culture etc.
Summary execution is a war crime. The Tiananman Square dude didn't get run over, the tank backed down. Then he was carried off by some guys with bikes and likely got tortured until death.
Well... I think the definition of pedophilia may be different across cultures. Not to be cliche, but it does seem more acceptable in Japan to view younger teenage girls as sexually attractive. In the anime series Mai Otome, there's an adult male (mid 20s, I think) who falls in love with a... 14 or 15 year old girl. It's just one of the subplots, but you could say that was sugarcoating pedophilia under American standards, because they don't make a huge deal about the age difference, but instead focus on the emotions of the characters so it's more about love and less about wanting young girls.
To sugarcoat the Tiananmen square thing is ludicrously easy, and is routinely done. All you do is just show the student standing up to the tank, with the driver unsure of what to do and the whole chinese military machine unable to advance because this one kid believes in democracy and freedom so much. Its glorious, its heroic, you want to be that guy.
We see this part of the scene so much that people don't even really know that he most likely got taken away and killed, alongside 1000s of other people (well, between hundreds and thousands) and that his whole brave stance was absolutely futile.
Tiananmen square is easily one of the examples of the most sugarcoated events in human history.
To sugarcoat the Tiananmen square thing is ludicrously easy, and is routinely done. All you do is just show the student standing up to the tank, with the driver unsure of what to do and the whole chinese military machine unable to advance because this one kid believes in democracy and freedom so much. Its glorious, its heroic, you want to be that guy.
We see this part of the scene so much that people don't even really know that he most likely got taken away and killed, alongside 1000s of other people (well, between hundreds and thousands) and that his whole brave stance was absolutely futile.
Tiananmen square is easily one of the examples of the most sugarcoated events in human history.
There is, I think, a difference between "sugarcoating" and "romanticizing."
To sugarcoat the Tiananmen square thing is ludicrously easy, and is routinely done. All you do is just show the student standing up to the tank, with the driver unsure of what to do and the whole chinese military machine unable to advance because this one kid believes in democracy and freedom so much. Its glorious, its heroic, you want to be that guy.
We see this part of the scene so much that people don't even really know that he most likely got taken away and killed, alongside 1000s of other people (well, between hundreds and thousands) and that his whole brave stance was absolutely futile.
Tiananmen square is easily one of the examples of the most sugarcoated events in human history.
There is, I think, a difference between "sugarcoating" and "romanticizing."
I don't know - less then you're implying I would say. In one version "oh man how heroic", in the other version "he was dealt with by the Chinese authorities later obviously".
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That would be Achewood.
I'm not sure the fact that say, Bugs Bunny sugarcoats murder is that meaningful unless people can't tell the difference between cartoon violence and the real thing.
I think thats Drawn Together, and that show all on it's own sugarcoats innumerable amounts of things.
There was a Farside comic involving baby seals getting clubbed.
yes. that's the one.
I think it's more accurate to say "satirize" than "sugarcoat." That show is obviously too crass for kids, and they're pretty stridently not concerned with sensibilities. I mean that in the best way possible. It's actually refreshing to see a show that is so unapologetically offensive.
Re: Oompa loompas. Even if they weren't slaves, they were still being used as test subjects for new candy. I mean NINETEEN innocent oompa loompas got turned into blueberries! Does the fact that they were paid in chocolate make up for that?
I agree, it's far more satire than sugarcoating, but it does still have that "I feel bad for laughing at something this horrible" quality to it. And I adore Drawn Together for just that reason.
I must have missed that episode, I don't remember one making fun of mentally handicapped people. Then again I haven't seen all that much of the show, but what I did see was rather amusing.
mental issues as in serious emotional damage and psychological issues.
not the short bus brigade.
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I don't think I get your drift. Are you saying the proper way to depict people with mental issues in media is to show how they need to be locked up in a padded cell because they are destructive forces?
Anyway, I think you are again reading too much into the show. It's purely absurdist comedy done strictly for cheap laughs. It's not trying to promote any values. It doesn't HAVE any values. If you have a problem with that, that's fine, chacun a son gout. But you begin to approach the realm of unreasonability if you assert that the show is trying to promote certain degenerate messages, because the show has no message whatsoever.
@ BrokenAngel -- I think the episode redx is referring to is the one with Clara's retarded sister. And it's not even the most offensive one. I think the one where Clara gets Foxxy to teach her to pole dance so that she can get her father's love because the man loves him some strippers is far far worse.
edit: Or not.
Mention it in regard to the comment about not being able to sugar coat self harm. By mocking folks with emotional issues and using stuff like self mutilation as a punch line, it makes those sort of actions seem... something... not like, more acceptable. Like something that should be ridiculed rather than a serious sign someone is a risk to themself and others? ehh... something like that anyway.
Are you talking about the Dinsey movie? Because if so, that wasn't sugar coating, just plain stupid.
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Maybe Mulan, what with the Mongols fighting the Imperial army, but that's a stretch. The Mongols didn't settle in China like the Europeans settled in America; Mulan had the invading forces and battles but not the culture clash, if I remember right.
The Little Mermaid had a theme of seduction, didn't it? The Ariel girl had to kiss the guy to win the bet and even had her Jamaican crab friend create mood music about getting to second base.
Self mutilation is made fun of VERY frequently nowadays, with the "emo kid" trend starting a huge amount of cutting jokes. As I said I haven't seen too much of the show, but what I have seen of it has never seemed to go much into Toots cutting herself. A few very short glimpses with no real "joke" to it at most.
The POW getting shot in the head in korea or Vietnam (Im mad that I can't remember which)
The school kid getting run over by the tank in China
Pretty hard to sugarcoat that shit
Yeah, your argument sounds similar to the whole "[insert offensive show here] makes people think it's ok to do bad things" line held so staunchly by a lot of conservative people. And I guess it might be a valid argument for kids shows or something, but these shows are directly marketed to adults, who aren't so impressionable and (for the most part) have an ounce of common sense. I mean, if you're over 22 and see a joke about cutting, are you going to think that cutting is a subject that should taken lightly? Or if you see the episode where Captain Hero takes advantage of Clara's retarded sister, are you going to start cruising for mentally handicapped women because they're easier to get into bed?
There's a difference between being disrespectful and being able to see humor in serious or weird situations. And, well, humor is also a funny thing (no pun intended). When Rosie O'Donnell made that "You know, in China, people are going, 'Ching chong, ching chong ching'" comment, I wanted to slap her for being a dumb bitch. But that clip of Steven Colbert asking for tea and then going "come in my rickshaw and I take you to Bangkok" was just comedy gold. Anyway, different people, different senses of humor, and some people might have thought O'Donnell was hilarious, and some others probably found the Colbert clip offensive. Chacun a son gout. My point is, I think it's fairly easy for mature adults to detect malicious intent, and we should exercise that, in addition to common sense, when we judge whether or not something is truly offensive and deserving reprimand.
It's not seduction, he wanted it, he just didn't know it. No, seriously, he was pining for Ariel all this time but was too fucktarded to realize who she was.
Vietnam. And I'm stumped. I can't think up any examples that would help explain those two events to kids.
Actually that movie was incredibly "sugarcoated".
In the original fairy tale...
Vam' IIRC.
Is explaining that summery executions for spies isn't out of the norm, and that un-uniformed officers behind enemy lines during combat are considered spies, sugar coating?
It's certainly and attempt to at least justify it somewhat.
Yeah yeah, I know. Disney is pretty infamous for sugarcoating. I mean, Hunchback of Notre fucking Dame? Also, Hercules?
The POW being shot in the head wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Considering the guy was actually a fucking Vietcong who killed entire families just hours earlier. The general who shot him was a pretty good dude, I read up on him and watched the video. He just walks up to him and kills the guy quickly and calmly, barely even stops to aim. The picture that was taken makes it look so much more dramatic, but really the guy is already dead by the time the photographer snapped the picture. You can see the bullet coming out of his head if you look closely.
And I don't think a school kid got run over in China... are you talking about the guy who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen square? Pretty sure he was pulled away.
How do you sugarcoat a crying clown?
Dungeons & Dragons.
Orcs are "humanoids" who are inherently, objectively Evil, both on an individual and societal level. Your goal, as a hero who is objectively Good, is to systematically exterminate them in as efficient a manner as possible, all the while looting their possessions and obliterating their equally Evil religious iconography. Don't bother with burying them; just leave the bodies where they fall and move on to the next peasant village... er, I mean, dungeon.
And hell even then, people have realized that maybe the Orcs should have a society and culture etc.
Guess I need to review my history a bit more.
Fuck clowns.
I did recently read something about a show or something, somewhere, parodying the Tienanmen Square moment though. Now it's bugging me.
No one has yet to mention this, right?
Japan
Japan
Edit: Incenj dammit how did I not see that
Racism?
Well... I think the definition of pedophilia may be different across cultures. Not to be cliche, but it does seem more acceptable in Japan to view younger teenage girls as sexually attractive. In the anime series Mai Otome, there's an adult male (mid 20s, I think) who falls in love with a... 14 or 15 year old girl. It's just one of the subplots, but you could say that was sugarcoating pedophilia under American standards, because they don't make a huge deal about the age difference, but instead focus on the emotions of the characters so it's more about love and less about wanting young girls.
We see this part of the scene so much that people don't even really know that he most likely got taken away and killed, alongside 1000s of other people (well, between hundreds and thousands) and that his whole brave stance was absolutely futile.
Tiananmen square is easily one of the examples of the most sugarcoated events in human history.
There is, I think, a difference between "sugarcoating" and "romanticizing."