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Too Human - New thread is up

Waka LakaWaka Laka ゲームセンターCX!課長 ON!Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Games and Technology
TOO HUMAN

THE PA TOO HUMAN THREAD OF BURLY MEN WITH SWORDS AND GUNS

LIVE Gamertags, News, Characters, Denis Dyack's shoe size (maybe) and other such Too Human related stuff below

What the fuck?

Ok, let me explain. Too Human is a 3rd Person Action RPG, think Diablo meets Devil May Cry and Dungeon Seige. You play as Baldur, a cybernetically enhanced Norse God asked to destroy a menace of flesh consuming robots, along the way he will need to collect armor, new weapons and new abilities to slash, shoot and bludgeon the horde and protect humanity from extinction
Baldur is joined by his fellow gods to fight back the menace, but is under scrutiny from the other higher gods for being Too Human to fill the role. Baldur will need to seek the aide of the Norns and force the threat back.

Wait didd'nt I see this 10 years ago?
Yep, originally the game was going to be on the Playstation and then Nintendo threw money at Silicon Knights to make games for Gamecube which saw a very breif showing and then disappeared off the radar for other projects such as Eternal Darkness and Metal Gear:Twin Snakes.
Too Human on the PS1

In 2005 more cashbags were placed on desks and SK announced they will be joining up with Microsoft game studios, which once again revived Too Human and the game was worked on from scratch. Originally on Unreal Engine 3.0, Silicon Knights found that the engine was limited to what they had in mind and took Epic Games to court over support for the engine and it's tools.

Now on SK's own internal Engine, the game is finally seeing the light of day and releasing in August 2008, 9years after it was originally shown at E3 for the first time.

So how does it play?
Essentially you will be relying on the right stick for most of your moves ( Swinging your swords, directing attacks and launching your enemies into the air ). Tapping the stick towards your enemy lunges, rotating the stick causes you to swing left right and all about and holding down your ranged weapons buttons and pointing towards the enemy allows you to shoot. Simple.

Controls -
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THERE IS A DEMO ON XBOX LIVE.

The Demo features part of the first level and 5 classes to choose from, you may need some help getting all of them though

Unlock more chars in the demo
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Lets get Classy ( and possibly oily)

Classes

Berzerker -

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The Berserker delights in the fury of close combat, forgoing defensive strategy in order to adopt all-out offense. Adopting a twin-blade fighting style and infused with the spirit of the bear, a Berserker will wade into battle for the glory of ODIN.

+Master of melee damage.
+Can reach an extra Combo Level.
+Can dual wield melee weapons.

-Lower heath.


BioEngineer
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A master of cybernetics as well as mundane combat, the Bio Engineer repairs damage sustained on the battlefield, increasing health bonuses of himself and his allies, enabling them to take the fight directly into the heart of the enemy.

+Can heal self and allies.
+Diminished melee and missile damage.


Champion
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The Champion represents ODIN's divine force of retribution. A strong warrior able to deal out a wide variety of caustic force field and anti-gravity based effects, increasing the combat effectiveness of his allies. One-handed weapons are the Champion's chosen tools of combat.

+A well-rounded fighter.
+Best at air combat.
+Best at critical strikes.


Commando
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Favoring technological gadgetry and standoff methods of warfare, the Commando specializes in the use of mines, countermeasures, demolitions and rifles. Able to support his allies through long range, harrying tactics, the Commando is truly a force to be reckoned with.

+Master of ranged weapons.
+Explosive effect and ammunition capacity increased.
-Diminished melee damage.


Defender

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With the blessings of ODIN and runes of protection, the Defender is the backbone of the Aesir's defense. Heavy armor enables the Defender to absorb a tremendous amount of damage, leaving his allies to take the battle to the enemy unharried.

+Increased armor and health.
+May use shields.
+Resistant to knockdown.
-Slower and diminished missile damage/range.


Human or Cybernetic?
Amongst the choices of class are also two more skill trees that Baldur can Follow the path of the cybernetic for more damage and tech or retain his human side in favor of better healing and more focused combat.



SKILL TREE VIDEOS

CLASS SKILL TREE EXPLANATIONS (VERY LONG BRING POPCORN)


TALENT TREE CALCULATOR

With Thanks to VaLiantine -

Talent Calculator (Java based)

Rightfully stolen from NeoGAF which was taken from TooHuman.net.

My Nord is bigger than your nord.


Location Location!

(more to follow)

Halls of the Aesir
These Halls are the seat of power in the eyes of Humanity. Here the Aesir can walk amidst the humans, so their presence is felt and provide assurance. It is here that the Aesir formulate battle plans and regale each other with the tall tales. The building itself is massive, rising many hundreds of stories above ground level and reaching deep into the earth as well. Amongst its many tiers lie armories, vehicle bays, loading docks, research labs, staging areas, barracks, training facilities, arboretums, hospitals and even prisons. The building is self-sufficient enough to maintain the war effort, but it is ultimately reliant upon the Orbital String for stability. Each of the gods has his own personal Hall within this building, to be used as a sort of office, in addition to their true homes that reside atop the Orbital String tower in Asgard.

CyberSpace

Although Cyberspace is present in all parts of the planet, the height of activity is within the walls of Aesir territory. There are more wells within the Halls of the Aesir than anywhere else. This is primarily because its use has fallen only to the Aesir, who use it to gauge the future and enact their battle plans.
There are Wells scattered across the entire world, but most of them are disabled or shut down after centuries of disuse and warfare. Most areas of cyberspace can be traveled to directly from these Halls, so long as the requisite Wells across the globe have been activated.
The NORNs, three inseparable and mysterious beings, exercise dominion over the world of data and mystery we commonly call Cyberspace. Certain Aesir may visit this realm via active access points known as "wells". When close to a well, press A to enter Cyberspace.
Within Cyberspace, the [strike]whores[/strike] NORNs will grant you the following abilities to open locked doors or access treasure caches (although some puzzles may require you to return once a later power is attained):

-Push
-Lift
-Create Fire

Valhalla

Valhalla, Hall of the Slain, is the hall presided over by Odin. This vast hall has five hundred and forty doors. The rafters are spears, the hall is roofed with shields and breast-plates litter the benches. A wolf guards the western door and an eagle hovers over it. It is here that the Valkyries, Odin's messengers and spirits of war, bring half of the heroes that died on the battle fields (the rest go to Freya's hall Folkvang). These heroes, the Einherjar, are prepared in Valhalla for the oncoming battle of Ragnarok. When the battle commences, eight hundred warriors will march shoulder to shoulder out of each door.

MULTIPLAYER
(coming soon)

SWEATY NORDIC MEN WITH SWORDS ON THE WIRE (AKA TOO HUMAN LIVE PLAYERS LIST)

Forum name / Live name
Character and Level Locale( Time on )
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NEWS AND OTHER INFO

With thanks to Castrum some Q&A stuff
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Norse Mythology in Video form for you armchair historians



Gamersyde Screenshot Gallery Update

Big stack of new previews from a handfull of sites

Gamespy's Preview

Spiffy
Focus on accessibility; good storytelling; role-playing system depth; co-op; mapping of myth to technology.

IffyFrame rate; inaccurate control scheme; need to see higher-level characters.

1-up Preview

Highlights-

"...players have the wrong idea about Too Human -- how it's essentially "just" an action game, while they consider it a pretty much 50/50 split of the action and RPG genres."

"...you'll find a lot of Diablo/Hellgate-style upgrades, customizations and options"

"...controls very much straddle the line between Devil May Cry and Diablo, so if you head in expecting either you may be surprised."

"...the screenshots were not misleading and the game looks as good as most high end 360 and PS3 games, especially in the character faces and backgrounds."

"Another big criticism of Too Human at E3 2006 was that the camera angles failed to properly track the player. In our updated time with the game, we didn't experience this at all."

Teamxbox's Preview

Highlights -

"Controlling any of the characters in Too Human isn’t hard, but the scheme will feel a bit different than the normal third-person action game."

"Yeah, there are a lot of pick-ups in Too Human, and each one slightly changes that rock, paper scissors gameplay aspect that makes campaign progression so addictive. There appears to be a complex skill system tied into the RPG items as well, along with an “alignment” aspect that we’ll surely reveal at a later date"

"There’s a fairly steep learning curve to Too Human, but those willing to give up the camera control reins will adapt to the control scheme in a few minutes."

"The mixture of classic melee and modern ranged weapons is exciting when concentrating on the third-person action aspect of Too Human"

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  • BehemothBehemoth Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Puny Human wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    /.. wrote: »
    Would help if the game wasn't a generic piece of shit.

    "O LETS FITE ROBOTS... IN THE FUTURE.... "

    Which game is'nt like that nowadays? Quake Wars was just released and no one is ripping into it. What do you know - cyborg fighting. No one went into the thread and shouted bloody murder.

    The original idea an concept for this game was made in 1996. The first console it was on was PS1. They've retained the same plot from 1996.

    But see it's not about fighting robots in the future, it's about fighting robots in the distant past.

    You can see that that's completely different.

    It's honestly like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future came up with the storyline.

    THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, WHEN MANKIND WAS RULED BY MACHINES, THE CYBERNETIC GODS CREATED MACHINES TO FIGHT THE MACHINES TO FREE MANKIND

    Quake Wars is a terrible example to cite against. The only reason nobody rips into Quake's setting is because everyone already knows that it's a generic piece of shit.

    Right, and that's not the point. It's like criticizing the plot of Unreal Tournament, you're missing the point.

    However, they're trying to tell some sort of *sigh* "epic" story, and it just sounds stupid. Unless they really know their shit when it comes to Norse Mythology and take something other than names from it, which I doubt, it's gonna be bad. Just the description of the plot sounds awful, the humans are trying to become more like robots and, get this, the robots are trying to be more like humans!

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm curious about the direction SK is going to go with the whole "Baldr as a Nietzschean ideal" thing. I have a feeling it will echo the underpinning of Kreia from Sith Lords.

  • .Tripwire..Tripwire. Firman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    To the people criticizing the premise, I'm surprised if you deny that there's a bias going on with this title. I mean, Mass Effect sounds like banal cliché when you boil it down to a one-sentence summary as well.

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  • ChildrenChildren Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Behemoth wrote: »
    Puny Human wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    /.. wrote: »
    Would help if the game wasn't a generic piece of shit.

    "O LETS FITE ROBOTS... IN THE FUTURE.... "

    Which game is'nt like that nowadays? Quake Wars was just released and no one is ripping into it. What do you know - cyborg fighting. No one went into the thread and shouted bloody murder.

    The original idea an concept for this game was made in 1996. The first console it was on was PS1. They've retained the same plot from 1996.

    But see it's not about fighting robots in the future, it's about fighting robots in the distant past.

    You can see that that's completely different.

    It's honestly like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future came up with the storyline.

    THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, WHEN MANKIND WAS RULED BY MACHINES, THE CYBERNETIC GODS CREATED MACHINES TO FIGHT THE MACHINES TO FREE MANKIND

    Quake Wars is a terrible example to cite against. The only reason nobody rips into Quake's setting is because everyone already knows that it's a generic piece of shit.

    Right, and that's not the point. It's like criticizing the plot of Unreal Tournament, you're missing the point.

    However, they're trying to tell some sort of *sigh* "epic" story, and it just sounds stupid. Unless they really know their shit when it comes to Norse Mythology and take something other than names from it, which I doubt, it's gonna be bad. Just the description of the plot sounds awful, the humans are trying to become more like robots and, get this, the robots are trying to be more like humans!

    Sounds cool to me.

    I mean seriously, its a hack and slash type deal, with epic loots, who the fuck cares about the story?

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  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Dennis Dyack repeatedly champions the story as groundbreaking, so I'd say he cares. Backlash to this seems inevitable, given how thin the whole premise appears.

  • Puny HumanPuny Human Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    .Tripwire. wrote: »
    To the people criticizing the premise, I'm surprised if you deny that there's a bias going on with this title. I mean, Mass Effect sounds like banal cliché when you boil it down to a one-sentence summary as well.

    That's because Mass Effect is banal cliché when you boil it down. It's basically a Star Wars game except with the plot ripped off from Star Control 3.

    I've already been lumping Mass Effect and Too Human together in my own mind for some time now. The lameness of the protagonists (Bulk Rockjaw, meet Slab Hamfist) and the overly pretentious storylines just grate on me.

    The thing is, there's nothing worse about either game compared to any other game, it's just when the creators try to claim they're making The Greatest Story Ever Told IN GLORIOUS THREE-DEE it gets on my nerves.

  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    this game falls on and off my radar, much like assasins creed does, I want both to be amazing, but I wont care if both suck...


    But to claim the plot is cliche and rehashed is just dumb. Ive never ever played a game that tried to put a cool futuristic twist on old legends, and frankly that sounds awesome. If the game was JUST Norse Mythology would you claim it was cliche? No, because no game has gone there. But itd also be kind of a boring concept. Take that mythology and add a sci-fi spice and it sounds pretty sweet. Its one of the most original plots for a game in years...

    Honestly, name some games that have more unique settings for their story?

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Puny Human wrote: »
    .Tripwire. wrote: »
    To the people criticizing the premise, I'm surprised if you deny that there's a bias going on with this title. I mean, Mass Effect sounds like banal cliché when you boil it down to a one-sentence summary as well.

    AHA! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. I've been lumping Mass Effect and Too Human together in my own mind for some time now. The lameness of the protagonists (Bulk Rockjaw, meet Slab Hamfist) and the overly pretentious storylines just grate on me.

    The thing is, there's nothing worse about either game compared to any other game, it's just when the creators try to claim they're making The Greatest Story Ever Told IN GLORIOUS THREE-DEE it gets on my nerves.
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    His point >.

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  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Disrupter I can tell you are intrigued by the idea of Norse mythology but yeah um let's just say it's fairly straightforward stuff.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

  • /../.. Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Honestly, name some games that have more unique settings for their story?

    Super Mario Galaxy? Halo? Cave Story?

  • DisrupterDisrupter Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Right, so is greek mythology, or any mythology. But it doesnt mean that taking a new, unique twist on that subject is rehashed. Its still very fresh and new. The opposite of cliche.

    I havent played a game in years that had a more unique backbone for its story. Im not saying Too Humans story will be as epic as they claim, but the world they created is fresh and unique. I honestly cant think of a game that has a more unique universe.

    I know next to nothing about Super Mario Galaxy or Cave Story, but Halo has one of the most cliche settings ever. I love halo, but humanity battles aliens while third party swarm hive mind race threatens all was probably cliche when Starcraft did it.

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  • Puny HumanPuny Human Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Puny Human wrote: »
    .Tripwire. wrote: »
    To the people criticizing the premise, I'm surprised if you deny that there's a bias going on with this title. I mean, Mass Effect sounds like banal cliché when you boil it down to a one-sentence summary as well.

    AHA! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. I've been lumping Mass Effect and Too Human together in my own mind for some time now. The lameness of the protagonists (Bulk Rockjaw, meet Slab Hamfist) and the overly pretentious storylines just grate on me.

    The thing is, there's nothing worse about either game compared to any other game, it's just when the creators try to claim they're making The Greatest Story Ever Told IN GLORIOUS THREE-DEE it gets on my nerves.
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    His point >.

    His point is that Too Human isn't that bad when you compare it to Mass Effect.

    My point is that they're both that bad.

  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

    Now transpose this into a generic futuristic setting inside a largely formulaic, banal-looking videogame directed by a self-righteous, technology-fixated programmer ... I expect much of the madness will be lost in translation, and much of the simple mythological good vs. bad collisions will remain. Maybe there will be some name-dropping in addition, hm.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    /.. wrote: »
    Disrupter wrote: »
    Honestly, name some games that have more unique settings for their story?

    Super Mario Galaxy? Halo? Cave Story?

    Hahaha, I see what you did there.
    Spoiler:

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

    Now transpose this into a generic futuristic setting inside a largely formulaic, banal-looking videogame directed by a self-righteous, technology-fixated programmer ... I expect much of the madness will be lost in translation, and much of the simple mythological good vs. bad collisions will remain. Maybe there will be some name-dropping in addition, hm.

    And Nietzsche. That's a pretty important aspect of the plot.

  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Puny Human wrote: »
    I've already been lumping Mass Effect and Too Human together in my own mind for some time now. The lameness of the protagonists (Bulk Rockjaw, meet Slab Hamfist) and the overly pretentious storylines just grate on me.

    You know that Mass Effect has no set protagonist, right? You can, like, change them? Completely and utterly customize their face? Shepard can be a woman, if you want. She's not quite Slab Hamfist. As for the story, Too Human's does seem to touted as deep and whatever, but I haven't seen anything of Mass Effect that makes it sound like they're trying to be pretentious or meaningful in any sense. It's about the presentation and the characters and how now they can do things using the technology that they'd tried before but could never really achieve. In other words, it's how the story is told, not necessarily how incredibly original or meaningful it is.
    The thing is, there's nothing worse about either game compared to any other game, it's just when the creators try to claim they're making The Greatest Story Ever Told IN GLORIOUS THREE-DEE it gets on my nerves.

    And what is any developer supposed to say?

    "You know, I think our game might be kind of good. Maybe. But really, you've seen it all before. There's nothing really interesting about what we have to offer.

    "I mean, you can still try it if you want... I guess. Just rent it, even. If you have a free weekend, anyway. Seriously, no rush."

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I've lost interest in the game, to be honest. First it gets ripped, and they whine about not giving it a fair chance and how it wasn't ready. So we wait. It's second presentation is still mediocre, though better than the last one. We gave them a second chance to improve, and frankly they didn't impress.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka ゲームセンターCX! 課長 ON!Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Mass Effect is apparently trying to be more like 70's-early 80's Sci fi styles, the developers said themselves thats what they're aiming for.

    I'm most definately not hyped for Too Human, but I like games with replay and collection, being compared to Diablo 2 in terms of collection style and levelling. Co-op is also fantastic, I'm hoping there will be threads full of "This is my character/experience yarda yarda" that everyone can join in on. It's being compared to Devil May Cry, Diablo and a whole heap of other games, but never specifically for a single one. Yes the animations are a bit bendy, but hey, most unfinished games do.

    I look forward to it, but i'll pass full judgement untill I play it - the Demo is coming, so hold out till then.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I don't even hold hope for the demo conveying everything about the game. Eternal Darkness' definitely didn't.

    ED earns these people the benefit of the doubt, damn it all.

  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

    Now transpose this into a generic futuristic setting inside a largely formulaic, banal-looking videogame directed by a self-righteous, technology-fixated programmer ... I expect much of the madness will be lost in translation, and much of the simple mythological good vs. bad collisions will remain. Maybe there will be some name-dropping in addition, hm.

    And Nietzsche. That's a pretty important aspect of the plot.

    what

    Also Eternal Darkness apparently was a love-it/hate-it affair but I am smack dab in the middle, it's ok I guess

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

    Now transpose this into a generic futuristic setting inside a largely formulaic, banal-looking videogame directed by a self-righteous, technology-fixated programmer ... I expect much of the madness will be lost in translation, and much of the simple mythological good vs. bad collisions will remain. Maybe there will be some name-dropping in addition, hm.

    And Nietzsche. That's a pretty important aspect of the plot.

    what

    Also Eternal Darkness apparently was a love-it/hate-it affair but I am smack dab in the middle, it's ok I guess

    You aren't the guy from last time who had no idea what I was talking about when I brought up Nietzsche in a Too Human topic, are you? I don't think you are. You could be.

    The deeper premise behind Too Human is that it's about the Nietzschean question of the nature of humanity, and deeper than that humanity's role outside of our need for godhood. For Nietzsche, there was no such thing as being "too human" because we as a species have grown beyond a need for God or gods, ready to stand on our own two feet.

    That's the chief thing being played out here: Baldr starts out clinging to his humanity far more tenaciously than any of the other "gods", shunning his godhood in favor of his humanity. The player ultimately decides how that plays out, which I imagine will be reflected in the game's plot. The question posed by Too Human is if you'd be willing to sacrifice your humanity for power.

    Kreia in Sith Lords was essentially Nietzsche as an old woman, as an interesting side note. That game was deep as Hell.

  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Wasn't me.

    Fingers crossed that the Nietzschean angle isn't implemented, uh, Xenogears style. Pity Dyack is at the reins.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, in fairness, being a loud-mouth and a bit of a dork doesn't make him bad at his job.

  • Waka LakaWaka Laka ゲームセンターCX! 課長 ON!Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Gabe Newell is a bit dorky and John Carmack is a bit dorky as well. Cliffy B is a total showpony gloater, but damn they all make great games.

  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Puny Human wrote: »
    .Tripwire. wrote: »
    To the people criticizing the premise, I'm surprised if you deny that there's a bias going on with this title. I mean, Mass Effect sounds like banal cliché when you boil it down to a one-sentence summary as well.

    That's because Mass Effect is banal cliché when you boil it down. It's basically a Star Wars game except with the plot ripped off from Star Control 3.

    I've already been lumping Mass Effect and Too Human together in my own mind for some time now. The lameness of the protagonists (Bulk Rockjaw, meet Slab Hamfist) and the overly pretentious storylines just grate on me.

    The thing is, there's nothing worse about either game compared to any other game, it's just when the creators try to claim they're making The Greatest Story Ever Told IN GLORIOUS THREE-DEE it gets on my nerves.

    So I take it you played both games then? I mean, you must have considering that you are ready to bitch about the lameness of the characters and how overly pretentious the storylines are.

    And you know what gets on my nerves? People making assumptions and trashing things before they even come out.

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  • widowsonwidowson Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Last PC gamer preview I read said the controls seemed solid, but the graphics were just bad.

    From what I saw at the Gamespy site, they've made a *big* improvement, especially over that craptacular, embarrasing "bar fight scene" trailer. The current in-game stuff looks better than that cinematic.

    Given enough time in the cooker, I think it'll do ok. Especially since they're not pushing for a Christmas release.

    -I owe nothing to Women's Lib.

    Margaret Thatcher
  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Straightforward stuff like goat chariots and drinking oceans and plucking out your own eye and a distributed intellect elder god.

    Super-cool-forward, more like.

    Now transpose this into a generic futuristic setting inside a largely formulaic, banal-looking videogame directed by a self-righteous, technology-fixated programmer ... I expect much of the madness will be lost in translation, and much of the simple mythological good vs. bad collisions will remain. Maybe there will be some name-dropping in addition, hm.

    The whole premise of the game seems to be that it isn't about generic good versus evil. If everything else turns out to be crap, I'd expect at least that to survive.

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Boy, there certainly are a lot of people crying "generic!" lately.

    "Assassin's Creed science fiction elements are generic! Mass Effect is generic! Too Human is generic!"

    It seems every science fiction game we blast with that word. I'm not saying any of those are not, but it's just a trend I've been seeing. :P

    It doesn't look all that generic to me. It seems like a neat blend of Norse mythology and science fiction. Even if it is, as long as the story and/or gameplay is good, what does it really matter? Nothing is that original these days; it doesn't stop a lot of literature, films, and games from being fun to read, watch, and play.

    As far as what I think about the game in general, it's looking a little better with these recent videos and previews. I was hugely put off by the E3 cinematic trailer. The recent gameplay videos sparked my interest a little, however, and what they're aiming to make does sound good.

    It still needs work, though, so I'm going to be a bit cautious with it. That E3 cinematic still scars my brain. It's nice to hear they've addressed those complaints, but that was a lot of jarring stiffness and felt very amateurish which makes me worried about other content. I still noticed some of it in the new videos, but luckily not as much.

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  • darleysamdarleysam Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    what, more Norse mythology? Dammit guys, what is this, the new WWII?

    And sci-fi does /= generic, as many people seem to claim. Just because it's not featuring dragons or magika or amnesiac protagonists doesn't mean it's not different.

  • edited October 2007
    i thought mass effect was supposed to be a slightly campy space-opera, a la the 70s version of bsg?

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Mass Effect is supposed to be more 80's space opera, from what I gathered. A little bit over-serious, with some sleek white spacesuits and oddly clean spaceships.

  • Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User
    edited October 2007
    ... But with a little bit of Bladerunner thrown in for good measure.

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  • ProfsProfs Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I want this game to be good. I really do. I don't like Dyack all that much, but his charisma for his product is pretty infectious. It sounds really ambitious, but they have a huge team working on it, so they have the manpower to fulfill. My big concern for the game is with the litigation between them and Epic. The fallout of that could really fuck them over. Obviously, the public doesn't know the details, but I hope SK wins the suit(s). If for no other reason than that Epic doesn't have any games coming out that I want to play (having already released Gears of War), and Silicon Knights I'm guessing could use the extra budget. There seems to have been so much controversy over the game by now that I wouldn't be surprised if it just keeled over and died for inexplicable reasons. *Please* don't let this happen.

  • Martin Lawrence OliverMartin Lawrence Oliver Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Silicon Knights are suing Epic for dubious reasons.

  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    There's a section on this week's 1UP Show about this game and both people who played it said it was actually good. It does look good to me other than the animation.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I'm not digging the chunky animation. Doesn't look smooth enough to be an action game.

    And I watched a video on gametrailers where the devs were talking about a "right stick" control scheme. As in "Death By Degrees" controls?

    If so, the only thing epic about this game is the FAIL.

    I remember the logic that the DBD devs used at the time, something along the lines of: "action gamers want something different." When will people realize that "different" IS NOT a synonym for "better," or even "good."

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Page- wrote: »
    I'm not digging the chunky animation. Doesn't look smooth enough to be an action game.

    And I watched a video on gametrailers where the devs were talking about a "right stick" control scheme. As in "Death By Degrees" controls?

    If so, the only thing epic about this game is the FAIL.

    I remember the logic that the DBD devs used at the time, something along the lines of: "action gamers want something different." When will people realize that "different" IS NOT a synonym for "better," or even "good."

    Dude, watch today's 1UP Show (linked above) and/or listen to today's 1UP Yours. It's not even an action game really, it's more RPG. It's not supposed to be like Ninja Gaiden or God of War or Devil May Cry at all, think more Diablo with some depth to the combat.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Page- wrote: »
    I'm not digging the chunky animation. Doesn't look smooth enough to be an action game.

    And I watched a video on gametrailers where the devs were talking about a "right stick" control scheme. As in "Death By Degrees" controls?

    If so, the only thing epic about this game is the FAIL.

    I remember the logic that the DBD devs used at the time, something along the lines of: "action gamers want something different." When will people realize that "different" IS NOT a synonym for "better," or even "good."

    Dude, watch today's 1UP Show (linked above) and/or listen to today's 1UP Yours. It's not even an action game really, it's more RPG. It's not supposed to be like Ninja Gaiden or God of War or Devil May Cry at all, think more Diablo with some depth to the combat.

    I'll listen, but watching the game in action seems a better way to judge. Also, I disagree with most of what goes on in that podcast. I don't need the game to be Ninja Gaiden deep, but the fact is that most games released since Diablo 2 don't even come close to it, so until I've seen a game at least do that I'll remaign skeptical.

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