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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    True. SE will have to wait and see how the various iterations of FFXIII do on the PS3 before making a judgement call.

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  • UtherUther Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Holy crap! Red on blue? Do you have human eyes?

  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yes, but my eye sight is around 15/15 or 15/20 in each eye or however it's said. So colors don't bother me so much. I'll use green next time to be nicer to everyone.

    Edit: I've got to get some sleep so I'll catch you guys this evening. Don't go too many pages without me. ;-)

  • BakerIsBoredBakerIsBored Registered User
    edited October 2007
    plufim wrote: »
    You even know what I've been arguing? The main reason I jumped into this thread is because of the people crying about BC. They act like because 1 model doesn't have it none of them do. Which is untrue. Anything is possible in the future. PS3 could come back, it might hit rock bottom. No one knows, that’s why I said wait for 08 to come and pass. PS3 could get lucky and release some killer apps, boost sales and be in a totally different position going into 09', or it could just keep sucking, no one really knows.

    I'm not here to argue if the PS3 is bad ass or not, that was never my intention. People started going off on BR... I think BR is an awesome feature to have, I just recently got my first HDTV and was able to combo in my BR player into my PS3. Less shit I have to buy, less shit in my entertainment center... + a BR player that gets firmware updates, how cool is that. Anyways, I only post here while I'm at work. I work 12hr shifts at AMD (nights :( ... but more $$)... I do have to get back to work, it has been much fun debating. People that start name calling really need to relax. Stop taking your frustrations out on me. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    But AS WELL as arguing about BC, you started throwing around hypotheticals about a comeback. You did it again here too, talking about how the PS3 "might get lucky". You can't just say those things and not expect people to question the logic you used, even if it was not the entirety of your argument. I don't have to wait until '08 to be able to argue that "might get lucky" isn't exactly a solid argument, and that past trends in gaming indicate a shakey start is not a good thing.

    I'm not taking out my frustrations on you. You're the cause of them, currently.

    You obviously read what you want to read. Look at what you quoted me on. Here I'll bold it for you. I said it COULD do WELL or it COULD KEEP SUCKING. NO ONE KNOWS WTF is going to happen. Things could go up, things could go down. Thats what I said. I'm not frustrating you, your doing it to yourself.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Mass Effect? Did I win?

    What do I win? Halo 3?

    But I already own that. Can I get Viva Pinata?

    Oh wait.. I borrowed that from someone. How about a nice game of Geometry wars?

    Well, that's kinda simple. And you can get it on the PC How about Forza Motorsport?

    But I don't like racing games all that much. But I'd probably like PGR4.

    But again... racing game. How about 50 million dollars worth of GTA4 exclusive content?

    Yeah, I think that's pretty cool.

    And that Dead Rising. That's an awesome game.


    If you were competing in a biggest douche in the universe contest, then yes I think you won.

    The things been out two years and most of the games you listed are recent, non released or mini-games.

    Oh and here's your prize for biggest douche in the universe. Two thumbs up.


    Kojima will develop where ever he can get published on. After the budget of MGS4, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be the PS3.

    Because you know the budget or know that said budget is formed entirely because of the PS3. -_-

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  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Cool, the experienced Sony shill is here to show the new guy a thing or two.

    Baker, take notes.

  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User
    edited October 2007
    another thread debating if MGS 4 is coming to 360 or not?

    really guys?

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    DarkWarrior, just because you consistently win the Biggest Douche in the Universe award doesn't mean you get to hand them out.

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  • Inglorious CoyoteInglorious Coyote Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Zephyr wrote: »
    another thread debating if MGS 4 is coming to 360 or not?

    really guys?
    Where did anyone say that?

    I read him saying Kojima's next game probably won't be on the PS3, and definitely not a PS3 exclusive.

  • JulesJules Registered User
    edited October 2007
    plufim wrote: »
    Oh god. Someone brought up the idiotic "there's stupid people out there playing games online! How in the world will I ever be able to enjoy games online? I feel so helpless and alone because stupid people know about the internets now! My existence is meaningless now!" argument.

    Also, apparently, stupid people are exclusive to online games on xbox360.

    No fucksticks playing warhawk at all.

    I didn't say there wasn't, but like you said, few people will be on PC, as they all have 360's, and I think a 14 year old is more likely to have a 360 than a gaming computer.

    My experience in MMO gaming is that ALL of the 12 year old fucktards have access to a PC as well to spread out their special kind of love.

    Your argument fails.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    As much as I enjoy watching Sony defenders being baited, let's try to head back on topic. A few people have said that it is stupid to complain that one PS3 SKU doesn't have BC, but I figure those people are paying too much attention to what happened and not enough to what didn't. Everyone has been saying that Sony needed 3 things to make a try at saving the PS3: a price cut, more exclusive games that might tempt someone to pay $4-500 to play them and some non-retarded advertising and/or PR.

    In this episode we thought we were going to get a price cut. Perhaps the battle for the real next gen was finnally on. Instead we got another, gimped, SKU. Gimped in a way to remove the ability to play the biggest game library of all time. Then, just to go a perfect three for three in lol sonys, Sony come out and says that the new SKU isn't gimped to save mony but instead to make their customers buy PS3 games instead of PS2 games.

    I find it hard to believe any of this is going to help dig the PS3 out of the hole it sitting in at present.

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  • LotharsLothars Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Zephyr wrote: »
    another thread debating if MGS 4 is coming to 360 or not?

    really guys?
    Where did anyone say that?

    I read him saying Kojima's next game probably won't be on the PS3, and definitely not a PS3 exclusive.

    Who really knows though, if MGS 4 is the system seller, it should be than who's not to say kojima's next game won't be on the PS3 if anything I could see the next kojima next game being multiplatform on like the PS3 and 360 but not exclusive to one system.

  • ArcticMonkeyArcticMonkey Registered User
    edited October 2007

    Well, you'll miss FFXIV. Because if you think that that's going PS3 you're nuts. You'll miss whatever comes after MGS4. Because again, whatever it is isn't going to the PS3.

    You should try rethinking that stance. FFXIV will be an RPG by Square Enix. They cater to their own first, Japan. The 360 doesn't sell there, the PS3 does. So these FFXIV will be on the PS3, the 360 might have a chance of it being ported to the 360. Kojima is the same, nationalistic, only worse for 360 fans Kojima owns all of the Metal Gear IP. He has the final say not matter what the companies ask of him.

    Well the Dragon Quest series which is better selling in Japan then Final Fantasy series did go from selling ridiculous amount of copies on the Playstation 2 to NOT making a sequel on Playstation 3 (It's on the DS).
    So arguing that Japanese companies will support the PS3 no matter what is bad logic. Especially when there is two Japanese hardware companies and Nintendo is selling stuff faster then they can produce it.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    FCD wrote: »
    You should try rethinking that stance. FFXIV will be an RPG by Square Enix. They cater to their own first, Japan. The 360 doesn't sell there, the PS3 does. So these FFXIV will be on the PS3, the 360 might have a chance of it being ported to the 360. Kojima is the same, nationalistic, only worse for 360 fans Kojima owns all of the Metal Gear IP. He has the final say not matter what the companies ask of him.

    The Wii sells more there, though, so if SE becomes more concerned with sales for one of their main flagship series, they may consider moving the FF series to the Wii instead of the PS3.

    I'd like to say that won't happen, but crazier things have already happened many times. I'll say it's highly unlikely as Square Enix and Nintendo don't have the best history for main consoles and the Wii would be a step back for them as they try to out do their previous game. So it's not probable yet not impossible so we'll have to wait and see since it will be more than a few years before FFXIV, since FFXIII is going to be divided into 3 games.

    Actually, you missed the interviews with the Square Enix president in which he said the direction of the company will change a bit, since he really, REALLY wants to increase sales overseas. Not to mention Square Enix and Nintendo have a fine relationship now (hell, they made a Mario basketball game for the DS for Nintendo), and they're making stuff for the 360. So I wouldn't bet against Square Enix putting more of their games on other systems.

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  • sonictksonictk Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Just in case someone looks back a couple pages:
    Secondly the reason because of the ridiculous size of MGS (which has been mentioned earlier) is the ridiculous amount of audio which is going into it. Kojima is basically having a wank fest and two thirds of the BRD is going to be filled up with his jizz.
    I never ever said it was definitely the audio that caused huge file sizes, it was only a goddamn guess. Passing judgement on an unreleased title is kind of shaky at best.

    Secondly, people saying that 'programming' games to take up less space...what, you think Winzip runs on the PS3? While there is debate over the benefits of running compression as opposed to reading directly from the HDD/disc in terms of speed, I'd have to say it'd be stupid to, in addition to slow read times from a disc, further compress the data so that you have to uncompress it again later on. Now I guess you could say compressing the data makes it easier to copy over to the HDD and then uncompress it faster since the CPU is probably faster, but I'd rather the CPU be used for actually processing more calculations/s and making my overall experience even better rather than waste processing power on uncompressing data.

    Besides, really, who doesn't want our future videogame babes to have 4096 x 4096 texture maps? For each part of her body.

    EDIT: What the hell are you guys doing talking about FFXIV when your attention should clearly be focused on spamming SE JP to give a goddamn release date projection for XIII, Versus XIII and the EN Crisis Core!

  • -SPI--SPI- Registered User regular
    edited October 2007

    Well, you'll miss FFXIV. Because if you think that that's going PS3 you're nuts. You'll miss whatever comes after MGS4. Because again, whatever it is isn't going to the PS3.

    You should try rethinking that stance. FFXIV will be an RPG by Square Enix. They cater to their own first, Japan. The 360 doesn't sell there, the PS3 does. So these FFXIV will be on the PS3, the 360 might have a chance of it being ported to the 360. Kojima is the same, nationalistic, only worse for 360 fans Kojima owns all of the Metal Gear IP. He has the final say not matter what the companies ask of him.

    Well the Dragon Quest series which is better selling in Japan then Final Fantasy series did go from selling ridiculous amount of copies on the Playstation 2 to NOT making a sequel on Playstation 3 (It's on the DS).
    So arguing that Japanese companies will support the PS3 no matter what is bad logic. Especially when there is two Japanese hardware companies and Nintendo is selling stuff faster then they can produce it.
    And we also have capcom's Monster Hunter, another massive japanese franchise, moving to the wii for it's next installment instead of the PS3 because the development costs of making it for PS3 were too high.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    -SPI- wrote: »

    Well, you'll miss FFXIV. Because if you think that that's going PS3 you're nuts. You'll miss whatever comes after MGS4. Because again, whatever it is isn't going to the PS3.

    You should try rethinking that stance. FFXIV will be an RPG by Square Enix. They cater to their own first, Japan. The 360 doesn't sell there, the PS3 does. So these FFXIV will be on the PS3, the 360 might have a chance of it being ported to the 360. Kojima is the same, nationalistic, only worse for 360 fans Kojima owns all of the Metal Gear IP. He has the final say not matter what the companies ask of him.

    Well the Dragon Quest series which is better selling in Japan then Final Fantasy series did go from selling ridiculous amount of copies on the Playstation 2 to NOT making a sequel on Playstation 3 (It's on the DS).
    So arguing that Japanese companies will support the PS3 no matter what is bad logic. Especially when there is two Japanese hardware companies and Nintendo is selling stuff faster then they can produce it.
    And we also have capcom's Monster Hunter, another massive japanese franchise, moving to the wii for it's next installment instead of the PS3 because the development costs of making it for PS3 were too high.

    And the fact that Dragon Quest has moved from the PS3 to the freakin' DS.

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  • sonictksonictk Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Knowing the MH franchise, they probably didn't want to bother making new textures and models and wanted to get a nice quick port over to the Wii. Also longsword + nunchuk = much easier controls than the goddamn triangle/circle system.

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity Ask me about Super Propane and Super Propane accessoriesRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    ITT posting in Red doesn't make you more right.

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  • JulesJules Registered User
    edited October 2007
    ITT posting in Red doesn't make you more right.

    Apparently neither does posting in white.

    I'm not going to be able to afford a PS3 until first quarter next year when tax returns come back.

    Will I still be able to get a 60GB version with BC in store? I don't have a PS2, and it's terribly convenient to play both PS3, PS2, and Blue Ray games on one system.

    Why does Sony hate me?

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  • Nova_CNova_C Sniff Sniff Snorf Beyond The WallRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Jules wrote: »
    ITT posting in Red doesn't make you more right.

    Apparently neither does posting in white.

    I'm not going to be able to afford a PS3 until first quarter next year when tax returns come back.

    Will I still be able to get a 60GB version with BC in store? I don't have a PS2, and it's terribly convenient to play both PS3, PS2, and Blue Ray games on one system.

    Why does Sony hate me?

    That's like asking why the devil wears black. It's just what they do.

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  • JulesJules Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    ITT posting in Red doesn't make you more right.

    Apparently neither does posting in white.

    I'm not going to be able to afford a PS3 until first quarter next year when tax returns come back.

    Will I still be able to get a 60GB version with BC in store? I don't have a PS2, and it's terribly convenient to play both PS3, PS2, and Blue Ray games on one system.

    Why does Sony hate me?

    That's like asking why the devil wears black. It's just what they do.

    I just want to know if there will be an in-store 60GB somewhere in 5-6 months when six hundred dollars of disposable income lands on my lap?

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  • NevaNeva Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Jules wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Jules wrote: »
    ITT posting in Red doesn't make you more right.

    Apparently neither does posting in white.

    I'm not going to be able to afford a PS3 until first quarter next year when tax returns come back.

    Will I still be able to get a 60GB version with BC in store? I don't have a PS2, and it's terribly convenient to play both PS3, PS2, and Blue Ray games on one system.

    Why does Sony hate me?

    That's like asking why the devil wears black. It's just what they do.

    I just want to know if there will be an in-store 60GB somewhere in 5-6 months when six hundred dollars of disposable income lands on my lap?

    Possibly, but most likely through an online retailer or ebay.

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  • FrostozunaFrostozuna Registered User
    edited October 2007
    Can someone fill me in on these less-than-stellar PS3 ports I've heard about? I'm on the cusp of either buying a 360 pro or a 20gb PS3 for 379 and it would probably help me in deciding

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Are you talking about 360 to PS3 ports?
    In the Head to Heads the two either tie or the 360 wins. It is rarely an OMG SO MUCH BETTER, though.

    Looking at this Holiday line-up, and the fact that the pro will net you Forza 2 and M:UA for free, pick up the 360. You can always buy the PS3 next Christmas when it will have a much better line-up of games.

  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Frostozuna wrote: »
    Can someone fill me in on these less-than-stellar PS3 ports I've heard about? I'm on the cusp of either buying a 360 pro or a 20gb PS3 for 379 and it would probably help me in deciding

    What I've pieced together from various claims and reports is that if you go PS3 then 360, the port is much easier because you're going from difficult to easy and just making everything work without the SPUs where as getting it to work great on a non SPU system and then trying to build it for the PS3 is just fucked up. However since they're wary of starting development on PS3, sucking and not being able to finish it, they do seem to lead with the 360. Its most noticable in that Rathet and Clank met its deadline and released early in some cases where as anything trying to do both systems seems to wind up 2 weeks to a month behind the 360/PC.

    It'll get better but sucks for now.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Frostozuna wrote: »
    Can someone fill me in on these less-than-stellar PS3 ports I've heard about? I'm on the cusp of either buying a 360 pro or a 20gb PS3 for 379 and it would probably help me in deciding

    I think a bunch of games have slightly worse graphics on PS3 than 360. IIRC, Oblivion, Splinter Cell - DA, F.E.A.R. and Madden are the worse offenders. Madden especially is 60hz locked on 360 but varies alot on PS3. This is just what I have heard from reviews and such, I have played none of those games on both formats, and might have remembered incorrectly.

    I believe the general trend right now is that games on both are better on 360 (unless you don't have live for online) and there are several possibilities for the future -

    1. Devs get better at making PS3 games as they get used to the format, learn how to get the most out of the architecture
    2. Bigger market share leads devs to prioritise the 360 version of games, so it is more optimised (see PS2 verses Gamecube last gen)
    3. Somewhere inbetween 1 and 2, varying with different devs and publishers.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Frostozuna wrote: »
    Can someone fill me in on these less-than-stellar PS3 ports I've heard about? I'm on the cusp of either buying a 360 pro or a 20gb PS3 for 379 and it would probably help me in deciding

    I think a bunch of games have slightly worse graphics on PS3 than 360. IIRC, Oblivion, Splinter Cell - DA, F.E.A.R. and Madden are the worse offenders. Madden especially is 60hz locked on 360 but varies alot on PS3. This is just what I have heard from reviews and such, I have played none of those games on both formats, and might have remembered incorrectly.

    I believe the general trend right now is that games on both are better on 360 (unless you don't have live for online) and there are several possibilities for the future -

    1. Devs get better at making PS3 games as they get used to the format, learn how to get the most out of the architecture
    2. Bigger market share leads devs to prioritise the 360 version of games, so it is more optimised (see PS2 verses Gamecube last gen)
    3. Somewhere inbetween 1 and 2, varying with different devs and publishers.

    This is likely.

    Really, aside from the Madden framerate hit the PS3 versions seem pretty much like the 360 versions unless you're a graphics tart of the highest order.

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  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Frostozuna wrote: »
    Can someone fill me in on these less-than-stellar PS3 ports I've heard about? I'm on the cusp of either buying a 360 pro or a 20gb PS3 for 379 and it would probably help me in deciding

    I think a bunch of games have slightly worse graphics on PS3 than 360. IIRC, Oblivion, Splinter Cell - DA, F.E.A.R. and Madden are the worse offenders. Madden especially is 60hz locked on 360 but varies alot on PS3. This is just what I have heard from reviews and such, I have played none of those games on both formats, and might have remembered incorrectly.

    I believe the general trend right now is that games on both are better on 360 (unless you don't have live for online) and there are several possibilities for the future -

    1. Devs get better at making PS3 games as they get used to the format, learn how to get the most out of the architecture
    2. Bigger market share leads devs to prioritise the 360 version of games, so it is more optimised (see PS2 verses Gamecube last gen)
    3. Somewhere inbetween 1 and 2, varying with different devs and publishers.

    I betting on number 2. And you forgot the part where the 360 is WAY easier to code for.

  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Mass Effect? Did I win?

    What do I win? Halo 3?

    But I already own that. Can I get Viva Pinata?

    Oh wait.. I borrowed that from someone. How about a nice game of Geometry wars?

    Well, that's kinda simple. And you can get it on the PC How about Forza Motorsport?

    But I don't like racing games all that much. But I'd probably like PGR4.

    But again... racing game. How about 50 million dollars worth of GTA4 exclusive content?

    Yeah, I think that's pretty cool.

    And that Dead Rising. That's an awesome game.


    If you were competing in a biggest douche in the universe contest, then yes I think you won.

    The things been out two years and most of the games you listed are recent, non released or mini-games.

    Oh and here's your prize for biggest douche in the universe. Two thumbs up.

    Wait... listing off some 360 exclusives makes me a douche? How so? Does listing off PS3 exclusives also make me a douche? What if I list off Wii exclusives? What if I actually look up the exclusives and list them all?
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    So as you can see, worldwide the PS3 has 3 more exclusive games than the 360. This includes games that are just announced and games that might be on the PC. So there, fair and balanced and all that jazz.

    Am I still a douche?
    Kojima will develop where ever he can get published on. After the budget of MGS4, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be the PS3.
    Because you know the budget or know that said budget is formed entirely because of the PS3. -_-

    I never said the budget was because of the PS3. But obviously a game like MGS4 is going to have a rather large budget. If they're filling up the BR disc like they say they are, they must have SOMETHING on it. And no matter what that SOMETHING took money to produce. It didn't materialize out of thin air.

    Basically I don't think Konami will allow Kojima's next game to be PS3 exclusive (unless something unlikely happens and the PS3 starts magically selling well somewhere). That's something I forgot to say last night. I forgot to put in the word "exclusive". Sure, whatever he makes next might end up on the PS3, but it certainly won't be the only system it's on (again, unless the PS3 has a magical selling spree between now and when MGS4 stops selling copies). I don't see how knowing this makes me a douche. Maybe it's because you don't like these things he do.

  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    I betting on number 2.

    Me too to be honest, but can't be 100% sure. In reality it will depend on a case to case basis, and some games will certainly fall into category 1, or hell, even secret category 4 "better on PS3 than 360" where it is a game that the dev has alot of skill on PS3, or the nature of the game means the specific hardware stregnths of the PS3 are very advantageous, or even a publisher see's an oppertunity for sucess by prioritising the PS3 version.
    shryke wrote: »
    And you forgot the part where the 360 is WAY easier to code for.

    Yes, I did.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited October 2007

    But obviously a game like MGS4 is going to have a rather large budget. If they're filling up the BR disc like they say they are, they must have SOMETHING on it.

    Lots and lots and lots of uncompressed audio. That's what.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »

    But obviously a game like MGS4 is going to have a rather large budget. If they're filling up the BR disc like they say they are, they must have SOMETHING on it.

    Lots and lots and lots of uncompressed audio. That's what.

    Wahoo! Chewing up storage space with the worst parts of those games.

  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I wouldn't be surprised if Brawl doesn't have to ship on 3 DVDs just because of Snake.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »

    But obviously a game like MGS4 is going to have a rather large budget. If they're filling up the BR disc like they say they are, they must have SOMETHING on it.

    Lots and lots and lots of uncompressed audio. That's what.

    Wahoo! Chewing up storage space with the worst parts of those games.

    Ps1: A Hind D?

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    Ps3: SHADOW MOSES?

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2007
    Am I still a douche?


    Yes.

    Undoubtedly.

    And how will it CERTAINLY not be on PS3? I was unaware your job was that of an analyst, incorporating your extensive knowledge of the way business works into your arguement here. THe fact is that you said it in a way that implies the existince of MGS4 on PS3 is the reason its unknown budget is so unbelievably, allegedly, high. Highest of any alleged game ever apparently, if what I am implying you alleged is indeed possibly true. Maybe.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    MGS4s budget will never be the highest in a world where Shenmue exists.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Am I still a douche?


    Yes.

    Undoubtedly.

    And how will it CERTAINLY not be on PS3? I was unaware your job was that of an analyst, incorporating your extensive knowledge of the way business works into your arguement here. THe fact is that you said it in a way that implies the existince of MGS4 on PS3 is the reason its unknown budget is so unbelievably, allegedly, high. Highest of any alleged game ever apparently, if what I am implying you alleged is indeed possibly true. Maybe.

    Whenever you read my posts you much add a bunch of hyperbolic words onto it. And also read it backwards and make up something else that I said.

    I never said the budget was high because of the PS3. I said the budget is more than likely high because of the fact that it's a damned MGS game that's suppose to fill up an entire BR disc. Unless the only thing on the disc is snake saying "METAL GEAR" over and over again, trying to do funny voices, the budget is going to be high. I'm not saying the budget is too high. I'm not saying it's the highest in the world. I'm saying it's going to cost some damned money to make a game that looks and sounds as good as MGS4.

    How in the world can you not fucking understand that?

    And read my last damned post. READ WHAT I ACTUALLY FUCKING SAID.
    Basically I don't think Konami will allow Kojima's next game to be PS3 exclusive (unless something unlikely happens and the PS3 starts magically selling well somewhere). That's something I forgot to say last night. I forgot to put in the word "exclusive". Sure, whatever he makes next might end up on the PS3, but it certainly won't be the only system it's on (again, unless the PS3 has a magical selling spree between now and when MGS4 stops selling copies). I don't see how knowing this makes me a douche. Maybe it's because you don't like these things he do.

    READ IT. Read the bolded part until your eyes fall out. Learn to read what you respond to. Learn to understand what you respond to. Don't ignore what people actually say. Stop putting words into people's mouths.

    (edit: I edited out some of the angry.)

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Why would the budget be high if the game filled up a BR disc? Does capacity now equal cost?

    Audio is probably the cheapest part of a game to produce, but also one of the largest assets capacity wise.

    The development costs of MGS4 probably are inflated due to producing it on the PS3 only. Mainly because Microsoft heavily subsidise production of games on the 360, and the fact that it is more difficult to program for the PS3.

    Not by any huge margin, but it certainly is more likely to be down to platform than size of the disc. No idea where the hell you pulled that from.

    scarab you have mental problems
  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Why would the budget be high if the game filled up a BR disc? Does capacity now equal cost?

    Audio is probably the cheapest part of a game to produce, but also one of the largest assets capacity wise.

    The development costs of MGS4 probably are inflated due to producing it on the PS3 only. Mainly because Microsoft heavily subsidise production of games on the 360, and the fact that it is more difficult to program for the PS3.

    Not by any huge margin, but it certainly is more likely to be down to platform than size of the disc. No idea where the hell you pulled that from.

    Am I living in an alternate reality where AAA titles have high budgets? Or is high somehow an offensive word? Should I be saying large budgets? I'm not trying to say the budget for MGS4 is somehow inflated to the size of being unreasonable. It's not Waterworld the game. It's just a large game. A high profile game. It's not being made on shoestrings and dixie cups.

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