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Aqua Dots: the Date Rape Drug

DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
edited November 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
Just caught Lou Dobbs tonight. Turns out those Aqua Dots toys that have been flying off of shelves have small, candy-like pieces that metabolize into the equivilent of GHB, the date rape drug, when swallowed.

The Chinese manufacturer decided to cut corners and substituted the safe glue for the stuff sexual predators use to spike people's drinks in bars. Here's a transcript.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/08/ldt.01.html

Australian authorities are the ones that twigged to it eventually, after a cases of kids going into woozy, erratic resperatory states and even some that have even gone into comas or experienced seizures.

There's been a recall, and Toys-R-Us manned up... you can bring your poisonous toy to them to get a refund -even if you didn't buy it there-.

Just a heads up for you early X-Mas shoppers.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Oh, I didn't think to look in that thread. I didn't see this as so much scaremongering... more a PSA.

    My apologies.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Dots rape people.
    More at 11.

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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Actually they metabolize directly into GHB.

  • redxredx Bow Down! Before the power of Santa!Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    the crap they are coated with, rather than what they should be coated with, metabolizes into ghb.

    Bow Down, Bow Down
    Before the power of Santa
    Or be crushed, be crushed
    By his jolly boots of doom.
  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
  • redxredx Bow Down! Before the power of Santa!Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    it just sounded like the beads themselfs were at fault, I'm not horibly interested in knowing how to cook G in my stomach.

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    Before the power of Santa
    Or be crushed, be crushed
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  • CasketCasket __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    China has been cutting way too many fucking corners lately. They are asking for it. All the fucking cheap ass prices we pay for labor over there is starting to show. God damn.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Bondage Discipline Spider-Man Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Casket wrote: »
    China has been cutting way too many fucking corners lately. They are asking for it. All the fucking cheap ass prices we pay for labor over there is starting to show. God damn.
    Yes, it's not like high demand for pennies-a-day labor has anything to do with it.

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it
  • redxredx Bow Down! Before the power of Santa!Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Casket wrote: »
    China has been cutting way too many fucking corners lately. They are asking for it. All the fucking cheap ass prices we pay for labor over there is starting to show. God damn.

    Well, I think these are, for the most parts, chines manufactures, so we are paying for cheap ass products, and they are the ones paying for cheap ass labor.

    but... yeah. pretty much.

    You think we should protest somehow?

    Bow Down, Bow Down
    Before the power of Santa
    Or be crushed, be crushed
    By his jolly boots of doom.
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Protest... by not buying things made in China? I'll let you know when I find something that wasn't.

    Free market capitalism strikes again.

    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The companies involved will be riding their suppliers, which is good because the Chinese government is going to have to decide to take a stand on the matter somewhere. Exactly where doesn't really matter, but hopefully they'll do something sensible like balance the welfare of their citizens against the need for continued economic development.

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The companies involved will be riding their suppliers, which is good because the Chinese government is going to have to decide to take a stand on the matter somewhere. Exactly where doesn't really matter, but hopefully they'll do something sensible like balance the welfare of their citizens against the need for continued economic development.
    That would mean less profit. :|

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  • redxredx Bow Down! Before the power of Santa!Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The companies involved will be riding their suppliers, which is good because the Chinese government is going to have to decide to take a stand on the matter somewhere. Exactly where doesn't really matter, but hopefully they'll do something sensible like balance the welfare of their citizens against the need for continued economic development.

    saying this in reference to the country which has been executing folks in charge of QA(the head of their rough equivalent of the FDA for instance)?

    great leap forward in crappy toy production?

    Bow Down, Bow Down
    Before the power of Santa
    Or be crushed, be crushed
    By his jolly boots of doom.
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, I'm not seeing the Chinese government making real changes. They'll address this problem, specifically, but on a whole they'll be, "So do you want cheap junk or not?"

    They were Most Favored Nation trading partner in the 80's, when we were still afraid of Communists. They're planted so deep in U.S. interests, it would take actual armed conflict for us to break off trade with them... and I'm not sure the corporate lobbyists would stand for that.

    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The point Loren was making is that its not China's fault that the Canadian company who commissioned the toy's production were too fucking cheap to fund half-decent safety standards. They got what they paid for.

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  • ElkiElki GOBS OF PUKE!!! YES!!!!!!!Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, you get what you pay for. *rehashes last China thread*

  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, its not like this is going to be any different from the last time a bunch of you paranoids decided to get your china-hate on. Y'all might want to look into the history of your own countries's's's manufacturing before judging, because pretty much every country who's been through a rapid phase of industrial development that outstripped the government's ability to legislate has produced some horribly dodgy crap under awful working conditions.

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  • Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The point Loren was making is that its not China's fault that the Canadian company who commissioned the toy's production were too fucking cheap to fund half-decent safety standards. They got what they paid for.

    I totally agree with this. The amount of BS that piled upon China when its the NA companies not paying anything good is really at fault here. My Japanese Anime Figures are produced in China. Guess what? None of them are poisoness because the Japanese companies take precaution, at least in the figures I have.

    Frankly this mostly sounds like scare mongering and anti-China retoric.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The Cat made the follow-up I would have made, but even this is simply not necessarily true. China is not inherently inferior in standards, it's simply more beholden to the desires of the company paying for the goods. You do get what you pay for, and if the company pays for incredibly high-quality product, China will make incredibly high-quality product, easily competitive with any socialist democracy.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Y'all might want to look into the history of your own countries' manufacturing before judging, because pretty much every country who's been through a rapid phase of industrial development that outstripped the government's ability to legislate has produced some horribly dodgy crap under awful working conditions.

    I would say that's a microcosm of something that goes on every day. The laws and culture are almost always one step behind actual capabilities.

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  • Kayne Red RobeKayne Red Robe Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Shouldn't the PRC, as a titularly communist state, have provided better for the treatment of it's working class when undergoing rapid industrialization than capitalist nations did when undergoing the same?

    From what I've seen they haven't at all, or have done even worse, which annoys me on the "retentive, call yourself what you are" level.

  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Shouldn't the PRC, as a titularly communist state, have provided better for the treatment of it's working class when undergoing rapid industrialization than capitalist nations did when undergoing the same?

    The PRC is not communist, or leftist. In many ways, it's not even particularly socialist.

    It's a rightist authoritarian state.

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  • ZsetrekZsetrek Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The Cat made the follow-up I would have made, but even this is simply not necessarily true. China is not inherently inferior in standards, it's simply more beholden to the desires of the company paying for the goods. You do get what you pay for, and if the company pays for incredibly high-quality product, China will make incredibly high-quality product, easily competitive with any socialist democracy.

    There was an interesting point in an Economist a while back on this issue, when the toxic dolls were first discovered. Because post-war Japan was keen to make a name for itself as a manufacturer, quality was really important to it. When a Japanese manufacturer accepted a contract from a western company to manufacture a good, it would make that good and that good alone, and concentrate on a) learning how to design and manufacture goods to high quality, and b) build up a name for itself.

    Chinese manufacturers, on the other hand, as part of a global economy, can make more money accepting contracts from competing western companies, and churning out pretty much identical toys, T-shirts, etc. They make more money by being unassuming, undistinguished and unaffiliated "generic Chinese manufacturer A" than they could as an identifiable brand.

  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    Y'all might want to look into the history of your own countries' manufacturing before judging, because pretty much every country who's been through a rapid phase of industrial development that outstripped the government's ability to legislate has produced some horribly dodgy crap under awful working conditions.

    I would say that's a microcosm of something that goes on every day. The laws and culture are almost always one step behind actual capabilities.

    Yeah, its still around. Most developed countries still have really problematic sectors of industry, like piecework clothing manufacturing. Backyard-sweatshops, whey-hey.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The point Loren was making is that its not China's fault that the Canadian company who commissioned the toy's production were too fucking cheap to fund half-decent safety standards. They got what they paid for.

    I totally agree with this. The amount of BS that piled upon China when its the NA companies not paying anything good is really at fault here. My Japanese Anime Figures are produced in China. Guess what? None of them are poisoness because the Japanese companies take precaution, at least in the figures I have.

    Frankly this mostly sounds like scare mongering and anti-China retoric.

    How do you know that?
    Have you tried licking them to see if they contain lead?
    Not that it would work, the only way to find out is to test them yourself(with a labratory test of the materials).

    Communicating from the last of the Babylon Stations.
  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The Cat wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Y'all might want to look into the history of your own countries' manufacturing before judging, because pretty much every country who's been through a rapid phase of industrial development that outstripped the government's ability to legislate has produced some horribly dodgy crap under awful working conditions.

    I would say that's a microcosm of something that goes on every day. The laws and culture are almost always one step behind actual capabilities.

    Yeah, its still around. Most developed countries still have really problematic sectors of industry, like piecework clothing manufacturing. Backyard-sweatshops, whey-hey.

    Labor and the like too of course (and it's probably the most socially significant), but I had a wider view in mind that includes essentially every new advancement and technology.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Er, I don't hate China, nor do I think that the western companies are blameless. Did I say that? No, I said that free market capitalism caused this problem.

    China, for their part, let it happen while the western companies pressured them.

    Ethically, all manufacturers should only use safe materials and pay its workers a reasonable wage, and that would be reflected in the price of the goods and services. Just because you weren't given a lot of money does not mean that you should provide dangerous product, at least not without full disclosure to the customer... customers have a right to know what they 're getting.

    Lowballing the competition on the bid for making stuff influences corner cutting. It happens everywhere, yes, but Chinese firms are really good at it, and the government knows it happens, but acts outraged when caught.

    For the record, China has a terribly interesting culture and is filled with beautiful people. I just wish they would use their position as a world top manufacturer to enforce some standards.

    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • GlorfindelGlorfindel Registered User
    edited November 2007
    An interesting one was that, according to the Sydney Morning Herald on the weekend, there might be a black market for this stuff for school leavers.

  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    How do you know that?

    Presumably the same way infants found out their was lead in their rubber-duckies...

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    So what are the odds that buying this and selling it too dumb druggy kids would turn a profit?

  • Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    China doesn't just make cheap junk.

    They also make things like, say, iPods and digital cameras. They make a ton of shit, and they're perfectly capable of controlling quality to an exceptional degree if the company placing the orders is willing to pay for it.

    Er, the point is, they make even the expensive stuff more cheaply than it would be if it were made in a country with, you know, labor laws and reasonable minimum wages and such. "Cheap" here is relative.

    The point Loren was making is that its not China's fault that the Canadian company who commissioned the toy's production were too fucking cheap to fund half-decent safety standards. They got what they paid for.

    I totally agree with this. The amount of BS that piled upon China when its the NA companies not paying anything good is really at fault here. My Japanese Anime Figures are produced in China. Guess what? None of them are poisoness because the Japanese companies take precaution, at least in the figures I have.

    Frankly this mostly sounds like scare mongering and anti-China retoric.

    How do you know that?
    Have you tried licking them to see if they contain lead?
    Not that it would work, the only way to find out is to test them yourself(with a labratory test of the materials).

    Handling them and then eating food would still contain enough lead to make you sick. Having me touch them, sleep in the same room as them and at least paint/remove paint to make it look better has given me at least some idea. At least thats what I think.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Why doesn't China think of the children?

  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Handling them and then eating food would still contain enough lead to make you sick. Having me touch them, sleep in the same room as them and at least paint/remove paint to make it look better has given me at least some idea. At least thats what I think.

    Not really, unless the paint is flaking off into your food. Which would be a totally separate quality-control issue. You would actually have to stick them in your mouth and suck on them regularly to see any significant effects.

    DAMM
    Drunks Against Mad Mothers
  • Katchem_ashKatchem_ash __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Handling them and then eating food would still contain enough lead to make you sick. Having me touch them, sleep in the same room as them and at least paint/remove paint to make it look better has given me at least some idea. At least thats what I think.

    Not really, unless the paint is flaking off into your food. Which would be a totally separate quality-control issue. You would actually have to stick them in your mouth and suck on them regularly to see any significant effects.

    Oh I see.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Don't, just don't do that.(sucking on your toys part)
    People with lead poisoning are not funny.
    Even less so than people with a wicked GHB rush.

    Communicating from the last of the Babylon Stations.
  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2007
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Don't, just don't do that.(sucking on your toys part)
    People with lead poisoning are not funny.
    Even less so than people with a wicked GHB rush.

    Tell that to the small children who are prone to sucking on their toys, fingers, fists (that one is always funny), bottle... you get the idea.

  • DevilGuyDevilGuy Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I like how people are pointing out that any outrage directed at the chinese manufactures of this crap is just hatemongering. Just do me a favor and ask yourself something, if a factory in your nation of origin were to manufacture easily swallowed children's toys with GHB in them, what would happen? In the US that factory get's shut down, end of story, the owners would be facing criminal charges, the reason people don't like china is because they pull this kind of shit, not because we're racists or nationalists or whatever, it's because they don't put nearly the emphasis on safty that we do, while taking advantage of our free market system to drain cash out of our economy. I don't completely take the blame off of the company that commisioned the toys, the deserve some harsh penalties for not running their own safety tests before putting this stuff on the market, but I also demand that the manufacturers be held to the same standards that they would be here, otherwise we shouldn't be willing to trade with china.

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