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Heroes - Season 2 [spoilers] - Now with less black emo tears!

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User
    Oh, and I still want to find out what Sulu's power is.

    He says that he's been waiting for someone in the Nakamura line to manifest powers. I kind of thought that meant he didn't have any himself.

    Though he said something along the lines of, "We are gods," today, so I don't know what's up.

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  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    Best episode yet, IMO. I'm not used to shit actually happening.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Really, I pegged Adam as the killer from week one, but the more I think about it, the less the scene seems consistent with everything else.

    1) Adam goes through all that trouble to spook and taunt the rest of the 12. He sends Maury to spook the hell out of Angela Petrelli just so she won't talk, and then slowly bides his time. And after all that effort, when he's finally ready to make his move... he puts on a hooded sweatshirt and throws Sulu off a building, without saying a single word? Seems anti-climatic considering the buildup. And I have a hard time believing that a character with a God complex like Adam would be scurrying around like some emo kid. This is a guy who named himself "sword saint," he's not exactly a bashful fellow.

    2) Sulu never suspected him. Really? You didn't supsect the guy who was locked up for 30 years because he was seen as too much of a threat, and who recently escaped? Even if he didn't know that Takezo escaped, a better response would have been, "How did you get out?" or "I thought you were locked away?"

    3) I am highly doubtful that Hiro never once mentioned his family named to Takezo. Or, at the very least, you would have expected Peter to mention the time traveling guy named "Hiro Nakamura" at some point in their conversations. So a simple question of "Where is your son?" might have been appropriate. Given that no one, not even Molly, would have known where Hiro was at that point, or when he might be coming back. Or, maybe Takezo could have left a signature at the crime scene, just for Hiro to find, and to let Hiro know that he was coming for him. Of course, there would have been no record of this when the police came afterwards, because Hiro would have already taken it.

  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    Really, I pegged Adam as the killer from week one, but the more I think about it, the less the scene seems consistent with everything else.

    1) Adam goes through all that trouble to spook and taunt the rest of the 12. He sends Maury to spook the hell out of Angela Petrelli just so she won't talk, and then slowly bides his time. And after all that effort, when he's finally ready to make his move... he puts on a hooded sweatshirt and throws Sulu off a building, without saying a single word? Seems anti-climatic considering the buildup. And I have a hard time believing that a character with a God complex like Adam would be scurrying around like some emo kid. This is a guy who named himself "sword saint," he's not exactly a bashful fellow.

    2) Sulu never suspected him. Really? You didn't supsect the guy who was locked up for 30 years because he was seen as too much of a threat, and who recently escaped? Even if he didn't know that Takezo escaped, a better response would have been, "How did you get out?" or "I thought you were locked away?"

    3) I am highly doubtful that Hiro never once mentioned his family named to Takezo. Or, at the very least, you would have expected Peter to mention the time traveling guy named "Hiro Nakamura" at some point in their conversations. So a simple question of "Where is your son?" might have been appropriate. Given that no one, not even Molly, would have known where Hiro was at that point, or when he might be coming back. Or, maybe Takezo could have left a signature at the crime scene, just for Hiro to find, and to let Hiro know that he was coming for him. Of course, there would have been no record of this when the police came afterwards, because Hiro would have already taken it.

    What makes you think he gives a shit about Hiro Nakakakakakamura?

    Hiro cares cause it's been all of twenty minutes for him. We care cause it's been what... two weeks?

    Adam has had 336 years to dwell on it. He's nothing if not patient.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    BTW, I liked the scene where Bob tried to lay the guilt trip on Claire, but I wish they had done more with it. While I'm not a drinker, I'm pretty sure that alcohol doesn't cause hallucinations. Or at least not the type of hallucinations that the cheerleader reported. So Bob could have said something along the lines of:

    "Look Claire, we don't think it was just alcohol. We think it's a lot more serious than that. Do you know if she was taking any drugs that night? Anything that would cause hallucinations? Because the only other alternative is that your friend is ill, and she needs to start medication before her delusions get worse."

    "Aren't you overreacting?"

    "She still stands by her story. She won't admit she has a problem."

    That way, Claire might actually start feeling some guilt and remorse over her actions, as well as being forced to take some responsibility for herself. Does she do what's right and admit the truth, or does she save her own skin and let an innocent girl suffer? Of course, they could have done a copout afterwards, but at least we would have seen her squirm.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Greeper wrote: »
    What makes you think he gives a shit about Hiro Nakakakakakamura?

    Hiro cares cause it's been all of twenty minutes for him. We care cause it's been what... two weeks?

    Adam has had 336 years to dwell on it. He's nothing if not patient.

    "As long as I have breath, anything you love I will lay to waste. I swear... You will suffer."
    - Adam (as Kensei) (to Hiro) (Out of Time)


    Yeah, I'm sure that there was absolutely no payoff for that statement.

    And the guy was locked up for at least 30 years, since before Hiro was born. It's not that he's learned patience, it's that the wait and the anticipation was forced upon him. What would you dwell on in all that time? I don't know... maybe all the people who've wronged you in the past? Obviously, the guy holds a grudge, or he wouldn't start killing people off as soon as he broke out of there.

  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    Greeper wrote: »
    What makes you think he gives a shit about Hiro Nakakakakakamura?

    Hiro cares cause it's been all of twenty minutes for him. We care cause it's been what... two weeks?

    Adam has had 336 years to dwell on it. He's nothing if not patient.

    "As long as I have breath, anything you love I will lay to waste. I swear... You will suffer."
    - Adam (as Kensei) (to Hiro) (Out of Time)


    Yeah, I'm sure that there was absolutely no payoff for that statement.

    And the guy was locked up for at least 30 years, since before Hiro was born. It's not that he's learned patience, it's that the wait and the anticipation was forced upon him. What would you dwell on in all that time? I don't know... maybe all the people who've wronged you in the past? Obviously, the guy holds a grudge, or he wouldn't start killing people off as soon as he broke out of there.

    Ok, good point.

    so maybe he's trying something else. Like I dunno, eliminating his last remaining family members, fucking him over generally, corrupting his friends and generally being a douchebag rather than the plain ole 'let's kill him' shit.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Remember last year how everyone complained about the anti-climatic way that Hiro stabbed Sylar? That's what this reminded me of. There just needed to be more.

    One thing to keep in mind is that from Kaito's perspective, Takezo was only going after the company, and would have absolutely no reason to go after Hiro. By having Takezo reveal that he was going after Hiro, you would add a parrallel to the Bob/HRG storyline. Kaito goes from being a man at peace to a man who desperately wants to protect his son, adding an extra bit of tragedy to his death, the final and unexpected twist of the knife. Kaito accepts his fate, but decides he won't go without a fight. Hiro teleports to the ground as his father is dying, this time being the one to comfort his father.

    I think one problem is that they stretched out the "mystery" way too long. They already spoilered the fact that Takezo was immortal and that he would become a villain before the season even started, which was a major clue. The longer they stretched it out, the more time people had to think about it, the less it made sense.

    It might have worked better if they revealed that Takezo was the killer in the premier, and the rest of the season was figuring out what would cause a seemingly good guy to go bonkers. You would also keep the audience more engaged, because you could draw more parallels between what was happening to Hiro in the past to what was happening in the present, rather than making it seem like a "side story." His first appearence with Peter would still be surprising, however, because we wouldn't expect Peter to be associating with a guy who killed Hiro's father.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Really, I pegged Adam as the killer from week one, but the more I think about it, the less the scene seems consistent with everything else.

    1) Adam goes through all that trouble to spook and taunt the rest of the 12. He sends Maury to spook the hell out of Angela Petrelli just so she won't talk, and then slowly bides his time. And after all that effort, when he's finally ready to make his move... he puts on a hooded sweatshirt and throws Sulu off a building, without saying a single word? Seems anti-climatic considering the buildup. And I have a hard time believing that a character with a God complex like Adam would be scurrying around like some emo kid. This is a guy who named himself "sword saint," he's not exactly a bashful fellow.

    2) Sulu never suspected him. Really? You didn't supsect the guy who was locked up for 30 years because he was seen as too much of a threat, and who recently escaped? Even if he didn't know that Takezo escaped, a better response would have been, "How did you get out?" or "I thought you were locked away?"

    3) I am highly doubtful that Hiro never once mentioned his family named to Takezo. Or, at the very least, you would have expected Peter to mention the time traveling guy named "Hiro Nakamura" at some point in their conversations. So a simple question of "Where is your son?" might have been appropriate. Given that no one, not even Molly, would have known where Hiro was at that point, or when he might be coming back. Or, maybe Takezo could have left a signature at the crime scene, just for Hiro to find, and to let Hiro know that he was coming for him. Of course, there would have been no record of this when the police came afterwards, because Hiro would have already taken it.

    1.Why make an elaborate plan when dealing with a time traveler? Kill his father as quickly and efficiently as possible. Perhaps as often as possible if need be.

    2. You tend not to suspect someone that to your knowledge is locked away.

    Yet that is exactly what i see here.
  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Guys can we start a debate about how the haitian's power suppresion is actually just making people 'forget' how to use their powers since having 2 different powers is impossible?

    Or he just has one power after all: the ability to manipulate other people's brains. A lesser effect is to disrupt their ability to concentrate on powers, a greater effect is to erase memories.

    Anywho, I just reached breaking point on the whole Claire being a whiny teen.

    Jesus Christ Claire. You remember Ted? The guy who almost nuked your whole family? Apparently nobody does. Ted was pretty fucking good reason for your dad to go around abducting people.

    Also on the poor communication front; Mohinder you nitwit.. all you should have done is asked for Bennet to mail you pints of Claire's blood. It could EASILY have been done anonamously and continually. No need for this stupid kidnapping and threats. Just call him up on his phone and go "OH SHIT! The virus mutated and Bob thinks your daughters blood is the only way to cure it! Could you fed ex us some pronto. Bob said he'd leave your family alone if you did!"

    Also boo-urns on them wasting possibly the last opportunity on showing us exactly WTF Kaito's power is. He could have given a demonstration during the "Just because we have the power of gods" part.

    Other than the incredibly obvious ending (hilarious though, as it Mirror'd Claire's own ressurection during early Season 1.. "Oh shiii!") I enjoyed this episode. Hiro running into little Hiro was pretty good, and wow it was crazy to see Kaito all sad and crying.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Finally a kickass episode:P, if they keep this up heroes will come back to its old self again.

    This episode was up there with Company Man from season 1, and no wonder because the awsome Noah was the senter of this ep. I think everyone figured out who killed Sulu beforehand, so that was no suprise.

    West did not totaly suck wich was a big suprise.

    And Elle, seriously can Kristen Bell play twisted psycho or what.
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    All in all a nice return to form.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    Oh, and Matt's not quite down the dark path yet. All the times he's used his powers, it's been to save a life, or him still figuring out what the hell he was doing.

    -First time on Molly: He didn't even realize he was doing it.
    -Second time on Molly: He was seeing if what he thought happened, did happen.
    -On his boss: He knew Mrs. Petrelli was lying and that people were in danger and circumstances beyond his control was causing his boss to prevent him from saving Pratt.
    -On Angela Petrelli: Again, this is to save Pratt. He's not doing it because it feels good or because he's enjoying the power; he's doing it because he's trying be a cop.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    -On Angela Petrelli: Again, this is to save Pratt. He's not doing it because it feels good or because he's enjoying the power; he's doing it because he's trying be a cop.

    That there? That was incredibly uncomfortable to me. Parkman is going dark and doing it damn fast IMO.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    COME BACK AND FINISH YOUR CEREAL

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  • CojonesCojones Registered User regular
    Oh, and I still want to find out what Sulu's power is.
    Don't we already know that his power turns him into a great swordsman or something? When he looked into the reflection of the sword in episode 22(I think) there was quite clearly a younger man looking back at him. Plus when anything's up he asks for a sword.

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  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    Finally a kickass episode:P, if they keep this up heroes will come back to its old self again.

    This episode was up there with Company Man from season 1, and no wonder because the awsome Noah was the senter of this ep. I think everyone figured out who killed Sulu beforehand, so that was no suprise.

    West did not totaly suck wich was a big suprise.

    And Elle, seriously can Kristen Bell play twisted psycho or what.
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    All in all a nice return to form.

    You're saying you'd rape a girl if given the chance?

    Uh, okay.

  • PlutoniumPlutonium Registered User
    Yeah, I'm seriously confused as to why..
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    Also small theory:
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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    I think west has an ever so minuscule possibility to become a good character.

    Now if only there were the possibility of him becoming a good actor. The "Hi Mrs. Butler" line was the only one that felt well delivered.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Puts his name on his helicoptor.. ..so everyone knows it's his.Registered User regular
    I think west has an ever so minuscule possibility to become a good character.

    Now if only there were the possibility of him becoming a good actor. The "Hi Mrs. Butler" line was the only one that felt well delivered.

    It takes some fairly bad acting to truly bother me.

    "Mr. Butler, what are you doing?" was exactly that bad. I hope they were rushed for time when they chose to use that particular audio clip; like rushed enough they couldn't GET any others, because the mere idea that it was the best one out of many boggles the mind.

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User
    Oh, and Matt's not quite down the dark path yet. All the times he's used his powers, it's been to save a life, or him still figuring out what the hell he was doing.

    -First time on Molly: He didn't even realize he was doing it.
    -Second time on Molly: He was seeing if what he thought happened, did happen.
    -On his boss: He knew Mrs. Petrelli was lying and that people were in danger and circumstances beyond his control was causing his boss to prevent him from saving Pratt.
    -On Angela Petrelli: Again, this is to save Pratt. He's not doing it because it feels good or because he's enjoying the power; he's doing it because he's trying be a cop.

    But the line between acceptable and unacceptable uses of those powers is so vague that, really, using your powers to subvert someone's will at all represents going towards the dark side. If it can be justified once, it can be justified again and again.

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    Yeah- the road to being a complete douchebag like your father is paved with good intentions.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Where the fuck was Matt's dad when the company was chasing after Sylar?

    Though I suppose they probably figured Eve and The Haitian were enough.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    So.

    Holy jesus fucking shit on a stick badass.

    Bob beat Noah.

    And he beat him the only way possible. Make him totally helpless.

    Of course Claire is going to give herself up for her dad. That's not even a discussion. And they will take measures to make sure they keep her.
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  • cytorakcytorak Registered User
    So...does Noah's
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  • DividerDivider Registered User
    Yeah I'm getting tired of Bob anyways.

    Hiro seems more prepared now. I want to see at least one death by his sword this season.

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  • EvylEvyl Registered User
    So nobody thinks that it was Elle who brought Noah back without her daddy knowing?

  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    I too was wondering why the Company hasn't been stockpiling Adam's blood.

    Either the writers did think of that, and there is some nasty dark side to Adam-blood (which Claire-blood might not share), or this whole unnecessary excursion was a crafty ploy to bring Mohinder around; or they didn't and it's just bad writing. Hm.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Really, I pegged Adam as the killer from week one, but the more I think about it, the less the scene seems consistent with everything else.

    1) Adam goes through all that trouble to spook and taunt the rest of the 12. He sends Maury to spook the hell out of Angela Petrelli just so she won't talk, and then slowly bides his time. And after all that effort, when he's finally ready to make his move... he puts on a hooded sweatshirt and throws Sulu off a building, without saying a single word? Seems anti-climatic considering the buildup. And I have a hard time believing that a character with a God complex like Adam would be scurrying around like some emo kid. This is a guy who named himself "sword saint," he's not exactly a bashful fellow.

    2) Sulu never suspected him. Really? You didn't supsect the guy who was locked up for 30 years because he was seen as too much of a threat, and who recently escaped? Even if he didn't know that Takezo escaped, a better response would have been, "How did you get out?" or "I thought you were locked away?"

    3) I am highly doubtful that Hiro never once mentioned his family named to Takezo. Or, at the very least, you would have expected Peter to mention the time traveling guy named "Hiro Nakamura" at some point in their conversations. So a simple question of "Where is your son?" might have been appropriate. Given that no one, not even Molly, would have known where Hiro was at that point, or when he might be coming back. Or, maybe Takezo could have left a signature at the crime scene, just for Hiro to find, and to let Hiro know that he was coming for him. Of course, there would have been no record of this when the police came afterwards, because Hiro would have already taken it.

    1.Why make an elaborate plan when dealing with a time traveler? Kill his father as quickly and efficiently as possible. Perhaps as often as possible if need be.

    2. You tend not to suspect someone that to your knowledge is locked away.

    1. Reread the beginning of my first point. The guy went so far as to somehow sneak a photograph into the newspaper that Sulu was reading, just to spook him out. Obviously, he wanted to add some style to it.

    2. Reread the end of my second point.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    I think west has an ever so minuscule possibility to become a good character.

    Now if only there were the possibility of him becoming a good actor. The "Hi Mrs. Butler" line was the only one that felt well delivered.

    It takes some fairly bad acting to truly bother me.

    "Mr. Butler, what are you doing?" was exactly that bad. I hope they were rushed for time when they chose to use that particular audio clip; like rushed enough they couldn't GET any others, because the mere idea that it was the best one out of many boggles the mind.

    I believe the line was off camera, meaning they could have dubbed it.

    But again, this is one of those lines that very few actors could pull off, because it's stupid. "What am I doing? I'm holding a gun to the head of the guy who tried to kill me so he could kidnap my daughter, moron! What does it look like I'm doing?"

    And the problem with West is that his attachment to Claire started off with being stalker boy, where as HRG had to raise Claire as a daughter.

  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    Just watched it and yeah Mohinder that makes sense. Don't kill Bob. I know, I'll kill you instead, that will balance things out. Fucking biggest retard in television.

    ...it's in the shape of a giant c**k.
  • cytorakcytorak Registered User
    Just watched it and yeah Mohinder that makes sense. Don't kill Bob. I know, I'll kill you instead, that will balance things out. Fucking biggest retard in television.

  • CojonesCojones Registered User regular
    This week's graphic novel is pretty nice, to boot.

    Adam in the American war of independence? yes please.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    Guys can we start a debate about how the haitian's power suppresion is actually just making people 'forget' how to use their powers since having 2 different powers is impossible?

    Ok, I'll indulge you.

    The Hatian has to touch someone in order to take their memories. When he is supressing powers, he isn't touching them.

    Also, the Hatian cannot give someone their memory back, yet when he is done supressing powers, the evolved human is able to use their powers again.

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    That wasn't just good enough heroes, that was one of the best episodes there's been. Even West was good.

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  • Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User
    If Tube actually enjoyed something, you know it's good.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Noah remains the best character on the show.

  • LineNoizLineNoiz Registered User
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    Guys can we start a debate about how the haitian's power suppresion is actually just making people 'forget' how to use their powers since having 2 different powers is impossible?

    Ok, I'll indulge you.

    The Hatian has to touch someone in order to take their memories. When he is supressing powers, he isn't touching them.

    Also, the Hatian cannot give someone their memory back, yet when he is done supressing powers, the evolved human is able to use their powers again.
    In the comic, the first time the Haitian uses his power, he wipes out the memories of the entire village, all at once. I doubt he touched any of them, let alone ran around touching all of them yanking their memories out.

  • FireflashFireflash Registered User regular
    I'm a bit annoyed at the blood thing. Now anyone that dies can potentially be revived, which makes death much less dramatic. I'd rather not have seen the last scene.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    The whole "Hi, Mrs. Butler!" bit actually made me like West

    plus Noah's attempt to bond with him over cars.

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