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Jack Thompson topic

DefenderDefender Registered User regular
Hey. Um. So I just listened to this whole thing. Where does Jack Thompson say anything wrong? Yeah, yeah, the "Scots/Kilts/Single-Malt Whiskey" thing. Shut up. Basically his WHOLE argument, as I hear it, is that Rock Star/Take Two is fucking retarded and is giving ammo to the anti-video game people by doing some incredibly stupid shit, and that due to copyright law, EA needs to take better control over their IP. He also says that the rating system is bullshit because (1) it's not enforced, and (2) it's run by a group that is funded by the industry.

The guy may be kind of a dick, but I can't find anything wrong with the bulk his arguments. The ESRB rating system really isn't well-enforced (I've watched kids under 10 buy T and M games in the past few years), and is easily gamed by modders. His stated target is RockStar, not the entire industry, and quite frankly, RockStar is damaging to the industry.

Yeah, he seems pro-censorship. But not really. His arguments all revolve around keeping adult content away from children, not banning it altogether.

In other news, I'm recovering from surgery now, and guess what? You know how they used to use stitches, and you needed to go BACK to the hospital to have the stitches removed? Well, they stopped that and made some kind of bio-dissolvable stitches, so that after a few days or whatever, the stitches just disintegrate (by which time you've healed). So I figured I'd get those. But no! The latest thing is GLUE. My abdominal cavity, right now, is being held shut by some kind "superglue" substance. They friggin glued me back together like a model airplane!

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I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
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  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    Defender wrote:
    EDIT: tl;dr version of 2) is that copyright law sucks, but he's right.

    No, he's not right. The law isn't right.

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote:
    He probably thinks Jack Chick is right about most things...Jack Thompson, not Defender.


    Unless Defender does think Jack Chick is right too, then I've lost all faith in humanity.

    Jack Chick's comics are fucking hilarious! Come on! How about the one where the stupid girl sells her soul to win a game of dodgeball at school? Even Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn with a multi-million dollar budget could not concoct a more ridiculous story about dodgeball.
    tuthezeng wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.

    Your words have truth.

    No, dude. Being a dick doesn't make him wrong. And frankly, if he kicks RockStar's ass, he'll HELP the industry.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Jack Thompson is harmless

    End of story.

    He's like a forum troll basically.

    Reminds me a lot of Knee Jerk.

  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    Being a dick is morally wrong, thus, he is wrong.

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    Geebs wrote:
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

    Yeah I know he's a dick. Please listen to the interview.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Geebs wrote:
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

    He's gone way past douchenozzle. Dare I say, he's a giant douche.

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  • sundayssundays Registered User
    His demeanor is still totally absurd, and he's pretty crazy too!

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Defender wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    What about his argument that the Sims 2 should be banned altogether because since the nudity is covered and pixelated, that means they're hiding something

    I don't know if he said that elsewhere, but in this interview he says that the problem is as follows:

    1) The "blur" is easily removed. It's some kind of config setting or something, and is very easy to turn off.

    2) There are porn sites (he claims) putting out mods labelled as being for "The Sims" and EA is encouraging modding the game. If EA does not protect its copyright, it will lose it. Remember the Strawberry Shortcake comic that PA got threatened over? Apparently American Greetings HAD TO do that or else Strawberry Shortcake would become public domain. The law sasy that you must defend your IP every time you see it used without license, or else you are (legally) giving permission to use it. So if EA doesn't stop people from doing that, then it can't claim copyright on The Sims anymore. Since they ARE claiming copyright on The Sims, that means that they are, legally, consenting to pornographic mods of a T-rated game that are distributed over the internet.

    EDIT: tl;dr version of 2) is that copyright law sucks, but he's right.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    Seriously.

    I'll bet dollars to dicks that you're only doing this to stir up some shit and fuel your taste for arguing.

    Since EA can't be bothered to spend millions of dollars in an effort to shut down modders, that means they're encouraging and approving it? Bull-god-fucking-damn-shit.

    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Cleaning at Your Mom's HouseRegistered User regular
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?

  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

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  • NoomNoom Registered User
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?
    Since it was added to the coconut.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

    I know.

    I have beef with Defender's 'olol the guy is right and has good points let's fight'

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    I'd pay $50 for a game where I can be Oscar the grouch and go postal down Sesame Street.

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  • SkankPlayaSkankPlaya Registered User regular
    Superglue is awsome.

    And so, yeah, censorship is bad. Prior-restraint is not legal, baning a video game because it is hiding fake nudity is just stupid. It is a wrong to homoganize all entertainment to the lowest common denominator (children), which seems to be what every thing is heading towards, and which the Supreme Court has said on many occasions, is stupid, but I'm paraphrasing.

    Let's parallel Videogames with movies. Both of which subscribe to private ratings systems. Movies seems to work, but supposedly videogames ratings dont. The minute he, or anyone, tries to ban or censor videogames for their content, is when (I hope) the reverse of what he wants is going to happen. This is because in the U.S. we have something called the 1st amendment, and as long as these games are not actually inciting violence, or are obscene, they contain protected speech. Something Mr. Thompson should have learned when he took Constitutional Law.

    On a Side note...so he's a Floridian lawyer, did you know that Florida has one of the easiest State Bar's to pass in the U.S.? Let's see him try to pass the CA bar, which I fear so dreadfully.

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  • RohaqRohaq Registered User
    I agree that excessively violent games shouldn't be sold to minors, but he's also said that he's 'going to destroy Rockstar' and has told numerous people in emails that he's going to get rid of videogames.

    One guy in G&T send him an SMS, and now Jack won't stop calling him to give him abuse. I'm tempted to do it now too; if he calls my phone, it's an international call; it could cost him triple figures if I try and keep the call running :)

    But I don't recommend any of you do this, which is why I'm not posting the number. I probably won't even do it myself.

    So yeah, he's a nutjob.

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  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Knob wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

    I know.

    I have beef with Defender's 'olol the guy is right and has good points let's fight'

    So, business as usual?

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
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    I thought you got stuck in your Hellboy cut-out.

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate Registered User regular
    EAT HIM

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  • JeebahJeebah Registered User
    Noom wrote:
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?
    Since it was added to the coconut.

    I lol'd

    lacks drive.
  • SkankPlayaSkankPlaya Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote:
    thunk

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    I thought you got stuck in your Hellboy cut-out.


    hahahahahahaha

  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Six pack on a dick Registered User regular
    Jack Chick is the original crazy Jack. Jack Thompson is still playing catch-up.

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  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    denihilist wrote:
    They didn't glue your penis to your stomach I see.

    Too bad...
    Hunter wrote:
    I'd pay $50 for a game where I can be Oscar the grouch and go postal down Sesame Street.

    Gee Oscar, you're a grouch!

    BITCH I LIVE IN A FUCKIN TRASH CAN!

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  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate Registered User regular
    Florida is a horrible, horrible state and anyone who argues otherwise is hiding something.

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.
    Are you saying that attacking the person instead of the position is a valid strategy in a debate?

    T-Rex would be proud.

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  • DislexicDislexic Registered User
    Florida is a horrible, horrible state and anyone who argues otherwise is hiding something.

    It's ok, but it's just too fucking hot and it's full of fucking crazy republicans.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Jack Chick is the original crazy Jack. Jack Thompson is still playing catch-up.

    My point exactly. Jack Thompson only goes after the easy prey like video games. Jack Chick goes after gays, the Catholic Church, Islam, bikers, adultery, pornography, Hollywood, evolution, and dinosaurs.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.
    Are you saying that attacking the person instead of the position is a valid strategy in a debate?

    T-Rex would be proud.

    No, because this isn't a debate. It's some asshole trying to break random shit.

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  • sundayssundays Registered User
    Hunter wrote:
    Jack Chick is the original crazy Jack. Jack Thompson is still playing catch-up.

    My point exactly. Jack Thompson only goes after the easy prey like video games. Jack Chick goes after gays, the Catholic Church, Islam, bikers, adultery, pornography, Hollywood, evolution, and dinosaurs.

    Don't forget Dungeons and Dragons.

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  • SkankPlayaSkankPlaya Registered User regular
    Dislexic wrote:
    Florida is a horrible, horrible state and anyone who argues otherwise is hiding something.

    It's ok, but it's just too fucking hot and it's full of fucking crazy republicans.

    Actually, there's a bunch of Democrats there. The Republicans just made it, so that they can't vote. Jeb and George 'n all.

  • KaennethKaenneth Registered User
    So are the Sesame Street folks liable for liable for http://www.i-mockery.com/romhacks/sesamestreet/default.php ?

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  • The Geebs That Is A PonyThe Geebs That Is A Pony Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    SkankPlaya wrote:
    Dislexic wrote:
    Florida is a horrible, horrible state and anyone who argues otherwise is hiding something.

    It's ok, but it's just too fucking hot and it's full of fucking crazy republicans.

    Actually, there's a bunch of Democrats there. The Republicans just made it, so that they can't vote. Jeb and George 'n all.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA, SolidSaints Tube admin
    You know, I don't consider myself to be an expert on US copyright law, but I'm pretty sure Defender is talking shit.

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  • CrossBusterCrossBuster Registered User
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.
    Are you saying that attacking the person instead of the position is a valid strategy in a debate?

    T-Rex would be proud.

    No, because this isn't a debate. It's some asshole trying to break random shit.
    Fair enough, I suppose.

    Jack Thompson engages in more ad hominum attacks than everyone on this board combined, anyway.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    I want to slap people who say that shit

    'Hohoho, nice strawman!'

    or

    'I'm afraid that's a slippery slope! Haha, you lose!'

    Everyday conversation is not debate class. There is no panel of judges. And there aren't any rules that say I can't call you a faggot and slap your glasses straight off your face.

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Knob wrote:
    I want to slap people who say that shit

    'Hohoho, nice strawman!'

    or

    'I'm afraid that's a slippery slope! Haha, you lose!'

    Everyday conversation is not debate class. There is no panel of judges. And there aren't any rules that say I can't call you a faggot and slap your glasses straight off your face.

    Except the fact that assault is illegal, you're right.

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  • A duck!A duck! Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Knob wrote:
    I want to slap people who say that shit

    'Hohoho, nice strawman!'

    or

    'I'm afraid that's a slippery slope! Haha, you lose!'

    Everyday conversation is not debate class. There is no panel of judges. And there aren't any rules that say I can't call you a faggot and slap your glasses straight off your face.

    There is the rule that I'd break your ass if you did.

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