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Jack Thompson topic

DefenderDefender Registered User regular
edited October 2005 in Chatlog
Hey. Um. So I just listened to this whole thing. Where does Jack Thompson say anything wrong? Yeah, yeah, the "Scots/Kilts/Single-Malt Whiskey" thing. Shut up. Basically his WHOLE argument, as I hear it, is that Rock Star/Take Two is fucking retarded and is giving ammo to the anti-video game people by doing some incredibly stupid shit, and that due to copyright law, EA needs to take better control over their IP. He also says that the rating system is bullshit because (1) it's not enforced, and (2) it's run by a group that is funded by the industry.

The guy may be kind of a dick, but I can't find anything wrong with the bulk his arguments. The ESRB rating system really isn't well-enforced (I've watched kids under 10 buy T and M games in the past few years), and is easily gamed by modders. His stated target is RockStar, not the entire industry, and quite frankly, RockStar is damaging to the industry.

Yeah, he seems pro-censorship. But not really. His arguments all revolve around keeping adult content away from children, not banning it altogether.

In other news, I'm recovering from surgery now, and guess what? You know how they used to use stitches, and you needed to go BACK to the hospital to have the stitches removed? Well, they stopped that and made some kind of bio-dissolvable stitches, so that after a few days or whatever, the stitches just disintegrate (by which time you've healed). So I figured I'd get those. But no! The latest thing is GLUE. My abdominal cavity, right now, is being held shut by some kind "superglue" substance. They friggin glued me back together like a model airplane!

Defender on
hello massa, I jar jar binks
I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2005
    Well, he's a dick.

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  • denihilistdenihilist tiny, tiny little man live music capitol of the worldAdministrator admin
    edited October 2005
    They didn't glue your hands shut I see.

  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.
    denihilist wrote:
    They didn't glue your hands shut I see.

    Of courth not, you thilly billy!

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    What about his argument that the Sims 2 should be banned altogether because since the nudity is covered and pixelated, that means they're hiding something

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    He probably thinks Jack Chick is right about most things...Jack Thompson, not Defender.


    Unless Defender does think Jack Chick is right too, then I've lost all faith in humanity.

  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited October 2005
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.

  • EuphoriaEuphoria Registered User
    edited October 2005
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

  • tuthezengtuthezeng Registered User
    edited October 2005
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.

    Your words have truth.

  • Red ZoneRed Zone Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    olo devils advocate

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Knob wrote:
    What about his argument that the Sims 2 should be banned altogether because since the nudity is covered and pixelated, that means they're hiding something

    I don't know if he said that elsewhere, but in this interview he says that the problem is as follows:

    1) The "blur" is easily removed. It's some kind of config setting or something, and is very easy to turn off.

    2) There are porn sites (he claims) putting out mods labelled as being for "The Sims" and EA is encouraging modding the game. If EA does not protect its copyright, it will lose it. Remember the Strawberry Shortcake comic that PA got threatened over? Apparently American Greetings HAD TO do that or else Strawberry Shortcake would become public domain. The law sasy that you must defend your IP every time you see it used without license, or else you are (legally) giving permission to use it. So if EA doesn't stop people from doing that, then it can't claim copyright on The Sims anymore. Since they ARE claiming copyright on The Sims, that means that they are, legally, consenting to pornographic mods of a T-rated game that are distributed over the internet.

    EDIT: tl;dr version of 2) is that copyright law sucks, but he's right.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.
    denihilist wrote:
    They didn't glue your hands shut I see.

    Of courth not, you thilly billy!

    How is his point valid? There was no such thing as violent video games, movies, cartoons, TV, etc 200 years ago, yet people still murdered, raped, and beat the shit out of each other. The only reason there's more of it now is that there are more people and it's easier to find out who murdered, raped, and beat up somebody due to telecommunications.

  • denihilistdenihilist tiny, tiny little man live music capitol of the worldAdministrator admin
    edited October 2005
    The MPAA is funded by the industry it rates.

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited October 2005
    Do we really need another goddamn Jack fucking Thompson thread? Jesus.

  • 3v3v Registered User
    edited October 2005
    Wait he's blaming Columbine on DOOM???

    .....

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  • NoomNoom Registered User
    edited October 2005
    Red Zone wrote:
    olo devils avocado
    tasty

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  • edited October 2005
    Jack Thompson is harmless

    End of story.

  • The Geebs That Got BigtimedThe Geebs That Got Bigtimed Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2005
    Defender wrote:
    EDIT: tl;dr version of 2) is that copyright law sucks, but he's right.

    No, he's not right. The law isn't right.

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Hunter wrote:
    He probably thinks Jack Chick is right about most things...Jack Thompson, not Defender.


    Unless Defender does think Jack Chick is right too, then I've lost all faith in humanity.

    Jack Chick's comics are fucking hilarious! Come on! How about the one where the stupid girl sells her soul to win a game of dodgeball at school? Even Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn with a multi-million dollar budget could not concoct a more ridiculous story about dodgeball.
    tuthezeng wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Defender wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Well, he's a dick.

    Yeah. He is. So? His points seem valid.


    Except it's not, because he's a dick.

    Your words have truth.

    No, dude. Being a dick doesn't make him wrong. And frankly, if he kicks RockStar's ass, he'll HELP the industry.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • The Geebs That Got BigtimedThe Geebs That Got Bigtimed Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    Jack Thompson is harmless

    End of story.

    He's like a forum troll basically.

    Reminds me a lot of Knee Jerk.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2005
    Being a dick is morally wrong, thus, he is wrong.

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  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2005
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Geebs wrote:
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

    Yeah I know he's a dick. Please listen to the interview.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Geebs wrote:
    Defender are you aware of his video game proposal?

    The man is basically a douchenozzle.

    He's gone way past douchenozzle. Dare I say, he's a giant douche.

  • sundayssundays Registered User
    edited October 2005
    His demeanor is still totally absurd, and he's pretty crazy too!

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    Defender wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    What about his argument that the Sims 2 should be banned altogether because since the nudity is covered and pixelated, that means they're hiding something

    I don't know if he said that elsewhere, but in this interview he says that the problem is as follows:

    1) The "blur" is easily removed. It's some kind of config setting or something, and is very easy to turn off.

    2) There are porn sites (he claims) putting out mods labelled as being for "The Sims" and EA is encouraging modding the game. If EA does not protect its copyright, it will lose it. Remember the Strawberry Shortcake comic that PA got threatened over? Apparently American Greetings HAD TO do that or else Strawberry Shortcake would become public domain. The law sasy that you must defend your IP every time you see it used without license, or else you are (legally) giving permission to use it. So if EA doesn't stop people from doing that, then it can't claim copyright on The Sims anymore. Since they ARE claiming copyright on The Sims, that means that they are, legally, consenting to pornographic mods of a T-rated game that are distributed over the internet.

    EDIT: tl;dr version of 2) is that copyright law sucks, but he's right.

    What the hell is wrong with you?

    Seriously.

    I'll bet dollars to dicks that you're only doing this to stir up some shit and fuel your taste for arguing.

    Since EA can't be bothered to spend millions of dollars in an effort to shut down modders, that means they're encouraging and approving it? Bull-god-fucking-damn-shit.

    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Businessman!Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2005
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

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  • NoomNoom Registered User
    edited October 2005
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?
    Since it was added to the coconut.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetSuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

    I know.

    I have beef with Defender's 'olol the guy is right and has good points let's fight'

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    I'd pay $50 for a game where I can be Oscar the grouch and go postal down Sesame Street.

  • SkankPlayaSkankPlaya Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Superglue is awsome.

    And so, yeah, censorship is bad. Prior-restraint is not legal, baning a video game because it is hiding fake nudity is just stupid. It is a wrong to homoganize all entertainment to the lowest common denominator (children), which seems to be what every thing is heading towards, and which the Supreme Court has said on many occasions, is stupid, but I'm paraphrasing.

    Let's parallel Videogames with movies. Both of which subscribe to private ratings systems. Movies seems to work, but supposedly videogames ratings dont. The minute he, or anyone, tries to ban or censor videogames for their content, is when (I hope) the reverse of what he wants is going to happen. This is because in the U.S. we have something called the 1st amendment, and as long as these games are not actually inciting violence, or are obscene, they contain protected speech. Something Mr. Thompson should have learned when he took Constitutional Law.

    On a Side note...so he's a Floridian lawyer, did you know that Florida has one of the easiest State Bar's to pass in the U.S.? Let's see him try to pass the CA bar, which I fear so dreadfully.

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited October 2005
    thunk

    thunk

    thunk

  • RohaqRohaq Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    I agree that excessively violent games shouldn't be sold to minors, but he's also said that he's 'going to destroy Rockstar' and has told numerous people in emails that he's going to get rid of videogames.

    One guy in G&T send him an SMS, and now Jack won't stop calling him to give him abuse. I'm tempted to do it now too; if he calls my phone, it's an international call; it could cost him triple figures if I try and keep the call running :)

    But I don't recommend any of you do this, which is why I'm not posting the number. I probably won't even do it myself.

    So yeah, he's a nutjob.

    Spoiler:
  • The Geebs That Got BigtimedThe Geebs That Got Bigtimed Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited October 2005
    Knob wrote:
    Kazhiim wrote:
    Knob wrote:
    By your reasoning, every game on the market should be AO. I can take my nephew's copy of Count With Elmo and insert foul language, fucking, and gore. OH NO, PULL IT FROM THE SHELVES!

    That's Thompson's reasoning, actually

    I know.

    I have beef with Defender's 'olol the guy is right and has good points let's fight'

    So, business as usual?

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    thunk

    thunk

    thunk

    I thought you got stuck in your Hellboy cut-out.

  • Penguin IncarnatePenguin Incarnate King of Kafiristan Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
  • JeebahJeebah Registered User
    edited October 2005
    Noom wrote:
    Euphoria wrote:
    He wins because he still gets all the attention

    hey, when did Lime become default for I agree?
    Since it was added to the coconut.

    I lol'd

    lacks drive.
  • SkankPlayaSkankPlaya Registered User regular
    edited October 2005
    Hunter wrote:
    thunk

    thunk

    thunk

    I thought you got stuck in your Hellboy cut-out.


    hahahahahahaha

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