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Starting Warhammer 40k?

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  • MiglioriMigliori Registered User
    The most important thing, above everything else, is to collect an army that you feel a bond with. Whether that be in how they play (hard to tell as a newcomer to the game), their background (fluff) and how they fit into the 40k universe or the models and modelling opportunities.

    As for cost you are looking at about $500-700 for 1500 points of miniatures, modelling supplies and books. Price varies depending no what army you go for, Marines are on the lower end of the scale because of the fewer miniatures required.

    I wouldn't reccomend collecting Orks or Dark Angels at the moment though. Dark Angels are one of the next few codexs expected (probably late 2006) and will probably have some interesting changes from their current version and the basic marine codex. Orks are missing far too many models and a decent army requires much conversion and modellintg and can turn a begginer off the hobby. All the other armies have lists and miniature ranges that won't change too much, although Eldar are set for change also their list will more likely be changed so that everything is a viable choice rather than some things being so much better than others that they become standard in everyone's armies.

  • RalakanRalakan Registered User
    Gaddez wrote:
    Seriously: People need to shut the fuck up about the necron's cheese factor already.

    Agreed. While Scarabs/Destroyers are fucking sick with the new jetbike rules, you can still fuck over the rest of their army.

    We've got a guy that plays Necrons in our group, and he's got a pretty even win/loss record. Every army, when done a certain way, can be cheesey.

    .. but yes, destroyers scare me... a lot... no matter what army i play.

  • ~Nephilim~~Nephilim~ Registered User
    i'm looking into bying the battle for mcragge set, a Space Marine Codex and an IG codes tommorow for about 135$ Cdn.

    I really want to field an infantry heavy IG force with basilisks, my friend wants a Chaos force, and we might buy a space marine army to just give some variety.

    good choices?

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  • MiglioriMigliori Registered User
    ~Nephilim~ wrote:
    i'm looking into bying the battle for mcragge set, a Space Marine Codex and an IG codes tommorow for about 135$ Cdn.

    I really want to field an infantry heavy IG force with basilisks, my friend wants a Chaos force, and we might buy a space marine army to just give some variety.

    good choices?

    You should be able to have enjoyable games between you with those armies.

  • OzmodaiOzmodai Registered User
    Ralakan wrote:
    Ozmodai wrote:
    This thread also needs more love for da Orks! While they are considered a close combat army by most people, they are surprisingly shooty,

    second time i played against orcs, they had a ton of some kind of artillery batteries... lobbas? not sure of the name. anyway, dropping blast/ordinance markers on clustered guardsmen HURTS... didn't expect that. (the orks with guns, not the hurting)
    I use Ork artillery too. Nobobody ever sees it coming!

  • Kayne Red RobeKayne Red Robe Registered User regular
    One of these days I need to find some people to play with and get into 40k. What's a good long range/artillery heavy army?

  • ~Nephilim~~Nephilim~ Registered User
    One of these days I need to find some people to play with and get into 40k. What's a good long range/artillery heavy army?

    From what i've been hearing, IG all the way.

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  • Cynic JesterCynic Jester Registered User
    Or Tau. They're getting a new codex soon. Should hopefully fix them a bit.

  • RalakanRalakan Registered User
    ~Nephilim~ wrote:
    One of these days I need to find some people to play with and get into 40k. What's a good long range/artillery heavy army?

    From what i've been hearing, IG all the way.

    I'd say IG also. Hard to find another army that can field more raw firepower. Thier accuracy on the other hand....

  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    Before you try to "get into" 40K I would suggest you visit the local hobby shop's "Games Workshop Night" or whatever weekly/bi-monthly event they have for people to play 40K and similar games with each other. If you are still interested in the game after seeing it being played regularly for a month or two, and--I'm totally serious here--if you're still interested after seeing the people you'll be playing it with (because, in most places, it can be very difficult to find people to play 40K with outside of the weekly hobby shop meets, and those tend to attract a certain type of individual commonly known as the "sweaty hobby shop geek" whom you might not be able to stomach) then, and only then, should you consider beginning to invest in this fun but extremely expensive hobby.

    Once you're convinced you'll enjoy actually playing the game you should decide whether you want to paint your own models or not--if you don't care about painting them yourself you can either buy them pre-painted on ebay (the cheapest way to assemble an army) or you can find someone to paint them for you (the most expensive way to assemble an army). If you want to try painting models yourself, buy some painting supplies and one box of models and give it a try. Do not fool yourself into thinking that the best plan is to buy dozens of models and then paint them all slowly over the course of months--if it turns out that you suck at painting, or that you don't enjoy it, then you're hundreds of dollars in the hole. Make sure that painting your own models is something you really enjoy before you commit yourself to it financially.

  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    What's really sad to me is that I have little intrest in actually playing the game and more interest in building, painting, and modifying the figures.

    I actually figured out a way to take a Orc vehicle and modify it into a command jeep for the IG. Too bad I can't use it.

    My next step is getting a few diffrent bike kits and makeing some Mechanized Cadian Rough Riders.

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Carrion-Eater Registered User regular
    1: Check out the 40K wiki. It's got a lot of interesting stuff on the background story.

    2: Find out who else in your area plays.

    3: Find out what local comic/gaming shops carry the models and hold games. Then spend some time getting to know other players, and watching games to get a good handle on what you're sure you'd like to play.

    Standard Tournament size is 1850 points. The smallest regular game size is 500 points. You can play smaller games than that, but they go by a variation of the rules called 'Combat Patrol." I highly recommend starting off by putting together a five hundre point army, and then working up from there. Especially for Space Marines, it's a pretty easy number of models to paint, and you can decide whether or not you really like using that army.

    For example, starting with a base of Macragge Marine, I bought three more marine models, a commander, and two landspeeders, and that gave me a 500 space marine army.

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  • BodhiTreeBodhiTree Registered User
    timspork wrote:
    What's really sad to me is that I have little intrest in actually playing the game and more interest in building, painting, and modifying the figures.

    I actually figured out a way to take a Orc vehicle and modify it into a command jeep for the IG. Too bad I can't use it.

    My next step is getting a few diffrent bike kits and makeing some Mechanized Cadian Rough Riders.

    At a certain point, I actually forgot that there was a game to be played with my miniatures, I was just having so much fun painting them. I have an IG Catachan/Praetorian force and an unnamed Space Marine force that I've been collecting since the 2nd edition rules. I'd get back to completing my armies if school didn't take my money and take my time.

    I'm sort of interested in the prospects of a Khorne Chaos Marine army, is it still possible to make one in the new 4th edition rules, or is it all Chaos Undivided?

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    BodhiTree wrote:
    timspork wrote:
    What's really sad to me is that I have little intrest in actually playing the game and more interest in building, painting, and modifying the figures.

    I actually figured out a way to take a Orc vehicle and modify it into a command jeep for the IG. Too bad I can't use it.

    My next step is getting a few diffrent bike kits and makeing some Mechanized Cadian Rough Riders.

    At a certain point, I actually forgot that there was a game to be played with my miniatures, I was just having so much fun painting them. I have an IG Catachan/Praetorian force and an unnamed Space Marine force that I've been collecting since the 2nd edition rules. I'd get back to completing my armies if school didn't take my money and take my time.

    I'm sort of interested in the prospects of a Khorne Chaos Marine army, is it still possible to make one in the new 4th edition rules, or is it all Chaos Undivided?

    Man I wish I could get some of those Praetorians I would love to paint those guys up. As for the rules? No idea I should be getting the 4th edition for christmas.

  • ~Nephilim~~Nephilim~ Registered User
    I just bought the battle of mcragge, and wooah gee, overwhelming

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  • MiglioriMigliori Registered User
    timspork wrote:
    What's really sad to me is that I have little intrest in actually playing the game and more interest in building, painting, and modifying the figures.

    I actually figured out a way to take a Orc vehicle and modify it into a command jeep for the IG. Too bad I can't use it.

    My next step is getting a few diffrent bike kits and makeing some Mechanized Cadian Rough Riders.

    Use it as a Salamander command vehicle or just make up your own rules. The best thing you can find gaming wise is a small group who play to have fun and make up your own extra rules and change things to suite how you want to play.

  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    ~Nephilim~ wrote:
    I just bought the battle of mcragge, and wooah gee, overwhelming

    Don't worry, just read the rules, then go over them again a couple of times. Almost all the rules are strictly conditional, so don't worry about taking every rule into account as you play. Keep a rule book handy.

    Painting miniatures just takes practice. Seeing how this is a very expensive hobby, I advise you pick up some cheap minis from the bargain bin(Hobby Town USA has these) and practice painting on them. Your hand will begin to get steadier and you'll work faster and more efficiently. Read lots of painting tips online and in your codexes(they contain valuable information on painting, I keep them handy as a reference guide for colors and techniques).

    I found Orks to be easiest for me, I read lots of "How to Paint Orks" guides and then took what I liked from each one to create my own paint scheme(I <3 my Ork minis, best I've ever done). It took me about 30-45 minutes per mini(I did them individually start to finish) but the ned product is definitely worth it. Like I said before, just keep practicing painting, you'll learn what looks good and what doesn't(you'll learn what doesn't look good first). I reccomend using ink washes, they sink into cracks and lightly cover raised surfaces to shade and highlight minis.

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  • RalakanRalakan Registered User
    so.. uh... everyone post pics of your minis

    we need more recruits here

    i would if i wasn't at work. my "first painted model" and current gen comparison pics are especially hilarious

  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    I feel like it needs to be reiterated: it's possible that you won't ever come to enjoy painting miniatures. Make sure you know it will be a fun experience for you before you start investing hundreds of dollars into that side of the hobby.

  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    I don't enjoy it, but being half decent at it certainly helps.

    ninja edit

    I was looking for my Orks, but I can't find 'em. When I do I'll make sure you guys see them.

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  • DrakeDrake Blow it all up ForeverRegistered User regular
    I'll post some pics of my Macragge set and some stuff I have that's near completion a little later. My wifes camera is full right now and I don't want to mess with her camera until she gets home from work.

  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Suggest adding an NSF56K tag to this page...


    My witch-hunters to date. I still want to get more, especially some Seraphim.

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    My IG Stormtrooper captain, usually carrying a Honorifica Imperialis because he's so damned cool

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    "Scouts reporting for duty!

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    both still pretty much WIP.

    The simple but rather nifty paint scheme I decided on for my brother's Tau forces.

    more Blood Ravens, plus random other models.

    The vehicle paint schemes I love, but the infantry paint scheme has since been painted over.

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  • JJ Registered User regular
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    He had been like this for months. I recently took an interest in my stuff again so I itend to finish him off. From black legion standard colours being changed to midnight blue highlighted with regal then bone/regal mix. Silver trims all round to finish.

    I fail pretty hard at taking pictures though. Any tips?

  • TsuraTsura Registered User
    J wrote:
    I fail pretty hard at taking pictures though. Any tips?

    The pic you took is fine. Perhaps just put a backdrop behind your figure, just a box or something thats a solid color. Also, personally i paint my bases really, really early in the procedure, because painted bases make an insane difference to the look of any figure. For example, once i've got basic colors on a given model (eg flat armor color, skin, weapons) before any highlighting, drybrushing, etc, i will paint the base goblin green. The figure then looks perfectly fine at gaming distance and can be used straight away. Once all the fancy details and finishing techniques are done i touch up the base and add any flocking or scenery and its done. I dont really like the more modern brown or grey bases, green makes models pop out much better imho. Although if you have your own board, obviously it makes sense to match it.

    On that note, fuck all of you for making these threads. Now i'm going to have to start painting again. I dont think i'll play this time, but i always preferred painting anyway.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    I love that Chaos Lord. By the way, one good reason to be Tyranids.

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  • EinEin New Jersey, USARegistered User regular
    Oh man

    Can someone give me links or tips on how to get started painting

    On a whim I bought a cheap box of 3 (plastic) space marines off e-bay for a grand total of like 3 bucks plus shipping to mess around with painting

    I fail really hard at having a steady hand for this

    And the fine details just get mangled

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  • JJ Registered User regular
    Tsura wrote:
    J wrote:
    I fail pretty hard at taking pictures though. Any tips?

    The pic you took is fine. Perhaps just put a backdrop behind your figure, just a box or something thats a solid color. Also, personally i paint my bases really, really early in the procedure, because painted bases make an insane difference to the look of any figure. For example, once i've got basic colors on a given model (eg flat armor color, skin, weapons) before any highlighting, drybrushing, etc, i will paint the base goblin green. The figure then looks perfectly fine at gaming distance and can be used straight away. Once all the fancy details and finishing techniques are done i touch up the base and add any flocking or scenery and its done. I dont really like the more modern brown or grey bases, green makes models pop out much better imho. Although if you have your own board, obviously it makes sense to match it.

    On that note, fuck all of you for making these threads. Now i'm going to have to start painting again. I dont think i'll play this time, but i always preferred painting anyway.

    The base is usually the last thing I do. My chaos bases are all brown, with sand/stones. I do them last because I go up the legs to just below the knees with the drybrushed highlights on the sand. I like the effect, its the first time i've done more than the green with static grass/flock look. More dusty :)

    As for the photos, yeah i'll use a bit of white card I have somewhere to put behind him next time. When I took that one it was one of literally dozens. So frustrating to see blurry pic after pic come up on the PC. D:

    zomg editz. Oh man those lictors. My nids are crying. I only ever finished the red terror model. I have endless amounts of hormogaunts. The amount of dice on the assualt was frightning.

  • Dangerou-DaveDangerou-Dave __BANNED USERS
    So I'm installing Warhammer 40k DoW for the first time.

    Ive never played Warhammer, nor do I know anything about it.

    I'm excited. Anything inparticular I have to look forward to?

  • EinEin New Jersey, USARegistered User regular
    So I'm installing Warhammer 40k DoW for the first time.

    Ive never played Warhammer, nor do I know anything about it.

    I'm excited. Anything inparticular I have to look forward to?

    Squad reinforcement was the biggest change for me

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  • JJ Registered User regular
    So I'm installing Warhammer 40k DoW for the first time.

    Ive never played Warhammer, nor do I know anything about it.

    I'm excited. Anything inparticular I have to look forward to?

    Zooming in every single which way to watch the glorious set kills.

    Also the FMV intro. Its 40 thousand ( oh ho ho ) kinds of awsome.

  • TsuraTsura Registered User
    J wrote:
    Tsura wrote:
    J wrote:
    I fail pretty hard at taking pictures though. Any tips?

    The pic you took is fine. Perhaps just put a backdrop behind your figure, just a box or something thats a solid color. Also, personally i paint my bases really, really early in the procedure, because painted bases make an insane difference to the look of any figure. For example, once i've got basic colors on a given model (eg flat armor color, skin, weapons) before any highlighting, drybrushing, etc, i will paint the base goblin green. The figure then looks perfectly fine at gaming distance and can be used straight away. Once all the fancy details and finishing techniques are done i touch up the base and add any flocking or scenery and its done. I dont really like the more modern brown or grey bases, green makes models pop out much better imho. Although if you have your own board, obviously it makes sense to match it.

    On that note, fuck all of you for making these threads. Now i'm going to have to start painting again. I dont think i'll play this time, but i always preferred painting anyway.

    The base is usually the last thing I do. My chaos bases are all brown, with sand/stones. I do them last because I go up the legs to just below the knees with the drybrushed highlights on the sand. I like the effect, its the first time i've done more than the green with static grass/flock look. More dusty :)

    As for the photos, yeah i'll use a bit of white card I have somewhere to put behind him next time. When I took that one it was one of literally dozens. So frustrating to see blurry pic after pic come up on the PC. D:

    zomg editz. Oh man those lictors. My nids are crying. I only ever finished the red terror model. I have endless amounts of hormogaunts. The amount of dice on the assualt was frightning.

    Thats cool, it was more general advice for beginners really, clearly you know how to paint. I forgot to mention that he looked good :). For the pics, are you using macro mode on your camera? (it looks like a little flower icon on most cameras) It moves the autofocal point much closer and can be really handy for pics of minis. Fool around with the function a bit if your camera has it, you can get some good results. It also lets you get some great close-ups of detail work.

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  • RalakanRalakan Registered User
    so... here is the first 40k model i ever painted... boy was i proud! .... bleh


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    and later i stripped off the paint and redid him... not my best work, but better in comparison

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    but also: my IG!

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    fear the Tethyn 306th!

  • TheGerbilTheGerbil Registered User regular
    J wrote:
    So I'm installing Warhammer 40k DoW for the first time.

    Ive never played Warhammer, nor do I know anything about it.

    I'm excited. Anything inparticular I have to look forward to?

    Zooming in every single which way to watch the glorious set kills.

    Also the FMV intro. Its 40 thousand ( oh ho ho ) kinds of awsome.

    All that and the best fighting animations in any Strategy game EVER.

    Also, I finished painting my Chaplain today, pics later.

  • Dangerou-DaveDangerou-Dave __BANNED USERS
    Hm

    I just beat the tutorial.

    I like the options so far, upgrades, etc.

  • ~Nephilim~~Nephilim~ Registered User
    Any tips for painting?

    I have the models set up on their stands right now just to play, and i'm probably going to go get supplies and such after christmas, any tpson what I sohuld buy, theofficial stuff etc.

    I've never painted susch small scale figures, some advice would be really appreciated

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  • fsmith1fsmith1 Registered User regular

    Your camera doesn't suck, you're just trying to use it as if it had a macro lens. Take shots from a few inches further back and make sure to set it on auto focus. We'll get the details and whatnot just fine, at least, better than out of focus details. From the looks of those shots you've got some really cool stuff though, I'd like to see it :)

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  • Anonymous RobotAnonymous Robot Registered User
    fsmith1 wrote:

    Your camera doesn't suck, you're just trying to use it as if it had a macro lens. Take shots from a few inches further back and make sure to set it on auto focus. We'll get the details and whatnot just fine, at least, better than out of focus details. From the looks of those shots you've got some really cool stuff though, I'd like to see it :)

    Ah...this would be my first time seriously using the family camera. When I put it on auto, it turns on the flash, and that ruins the images. I'm not sure how to turn flash off.

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  • Sorry to be off-topic, but does anyone play Warmachine? If people do, we should have a thread for that, too.

    Also, I like your painting jobs, WHY.

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  • fsmith1fsmith1 Registered User regular
    Ah...this would be my first time seriously using the family camera. When I put it on auto, it turns on the flash, and that ruins the images. I'm not sure how to turn flash off.

    There should be a button or setting that looks like a lightning bolt, that is the one for the light. But, the most important thing isn't the flash, it's just the distance of the camera from the object. Standard photo lenses have a point where getting closer to the object actually gets more blurry, it's like someone that is far sighted; Objects at a distance are totally clear but the closer they get to an object the fuzzier it is. I'd have to go into a whole spiel about apertures and shutter speeds and whatnot if I was to explain this all properly, but, for a standard digital non-SLR camera, the best choice for snapshots like that is automatic settings, from a reasonable distance.

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