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Anonymous stages worldwide protest against Scientology

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited February 2008
    Sad sad people.

  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    At least they're deriding something worth deriding.

    They could be doing things far less worthwhile.

    Like hawking Ron Paul.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The only special thing I see about these protests is just that 4channers are behind it.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo Tough on mime. Tough on the causes of mime Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The only special thing I see about these protests is just that 4channers are behind it.
    And that they're very small.

  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS
    edited February 2008
    At least they're deriding something worth deriding.

    They could be doing things far less worthwhile.

    Like hawking Ron Paul.

    I guess.

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    At least they're deriding something worth deriding.

    They could be doing things far less worthwhile.

    Like hawking Ron Paul.

    I guess.
    Yeah, ronally, I mean totally.
    Spoiler:

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  • WyndhamPriceWyndhamPrice Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    At least they're deriding something worth deriding.

    They could be doing things far less worthwhile.

    Like hawking Ron Paul.

    I guess.
    Yeah, ronally, I mean totally.
    Spoiler:

    It was "for the lulz" initially but then it sort of spiralled into the crusade against the many injustices that the CoS has engaged in over the past 30 years once they realized how hard Scientology was trying to suppress their criticism.

    They picked today (Feb. 10th) because it's Lisa McPherson's birthday.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    At least they're deriding something worth deriding.

    They could be doing things far less worthwhile.

    Like hawking Ron Paul.

    I guess.

    I don't foresee a lot of other options for them.

    They could be supporting net neutrality or something, but there's nothing weird or crazy about that.

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Whatever thier motive, I think it's a good cause.

    If I had ample transport and didn't work today, I would have joined the protest in Edmonton.

  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Would you have made idle conversation re: what kind of porn your fellow activists are in to?

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    If it came up, I don't see a reason why not. No reason not to be social in a socio-political situation.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I have to say that their analysis of scientology is keen.
    Anonymous wrote:
    On the planet Teegeeak born and raised in Volcanoes is where my Thetans spent most of their days, Being overpopulated and cool and all watching some brainwashing movies outside of DC8 making school Till a couple of Psychiatrists who were up to no good, started freezing aliens in my neighborhood, I got in one little explosion and my Overlord Got scared and said "your moving with the homospaiens on Earth, that planet with air" So I floated toward home but when I came near the Soul Catching devices trapped me like Ghostbuster gear. If anything I could say the in-flight movie was rare but I thought "nah forget it, Yo Xenu to to Earth if you care" I looked at my fleshy prison and I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of the beasts with body hair.

    Xenu just don't understand.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I wish they would have publicized this a little more before hand.

    I might have actually gone for the hell of it, plus a burning hated for scientology.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User
    edited February 2008
    There were 80+ people outside the Scientology shop in London on Totthenham Court Road. It was quite impressive.

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  • spamtastickspamtastick Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I think that when 4chan which is widely regarded as the asshole of the internet gets offended, then there is something seriously wrong with Scientology. I mean (some of) 4chan likes scat porn.

    Anyway I think its noble of them, Bravo 4chan, Bravo.

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    what kind of a stupid thing is that to say? My point is that they're not going to meet their goals. They're going to have a fun party in the park and go home feeling like big men because a couple of coppers eyeballed them. Acting like they're going to take down the scientologists is fucking retarded.

    Sitting on a bus was retarded too. She just wanted to feel like a man. Or wait.

    I bet you felt clever typing that. And you know what? Rosa Parks by herself was useless. Very brave, but wouldn't accomplish anything by herself.

    The civil rights movement wasn't Rosa Parks. It was million of people protesting, boycotting, lobbying, engaging in civil disobedience to try change minds sets and the laws that made African Americans second class citizens.

    Do you want to tell me how this one day event is similar?

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Elki wrote: »

    Do you want to tell me how this one day event is similar?
    I do believe the point is that every movement starts somewhere.

  • Mega PlayboyMega Playboy Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I look at it like this. At least they pick a cause to get behind and protest legally. Sure most of the time chaner just make a few prank calls and shoup a few photo and call it the day.

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Do you want to tell me how this one day event is similar?
    I do believe the point is that every movement starts somewhere.
    Is there any evidence that this will be a movement, beyond the fact that hundreds of people showed up to a one day protest? Because that's not convincing evidence.

    And Rosa Parks wasn't the beginning of the movement, anyways, so if that's the comparison, it fails hard.

  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2008
    Well, I guess since you're the ones speaking on behalf of the movement that makes you MLK.

  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    You never know what will become a movement until it does.

    Why do you have such a problem with this? Are you just being contrary? I don't care either way on this, but you're being overly negative about it. I mean, these people are doing something. Speaking out against something that bothers them. What's wrong with that? Should they just not bother because they don't have a lot of support yet? I mean what the fuck, dude?

  • Lave IILave II Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I went an investigated what was going on in London today. I'm going to "review" it for Skeptobot.

    But shortly.

    Is it going to be a world wide movement? No.
    Is it going to change anything? No.
    Will they get bored? Yes.
    Did it make a lot of people think? Yes.

    I was really taken back how professional and polite the deviants from 4chan were. There were fliers handed out, decent signs and lots of interacting with the public to explain what was happening and why.

    The police were also awesome. So awesome in fact that at numerous times their were "cheers" for the police.

    Very gentlemanly. And I thought I would never say it - but it made me think better of 4chan. A little at least.

    Oh and I was tailed at one point by two scientologists.

  • AgemAgem Registered User
    edited February 2008
    You never know what will become a movement until it does.

    Why do you have such a problem with this? Are you just being contrary? I don't care either way on this, but you're being overly negative about it. I mean, these people are doing something. Speaking out against something that bothers them. What's wrong with that? Should they just not bother because they don't have a lot of support yet? I mean what the fuck, dude?
    I for one am incredibly offended when anyone does something that doesn't net immediate concrete achievement not only of their goals, but goals which I assign them and they will never be able to meet. I hate voters for the same reason.

    This generation just isn't apathetic enough.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I guess I don't get it...

    1. They're protesting something the majority of people already know is stupid and wrong. It's like staging a protest against pedophilia.

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    3. There really isn't a three... I think 1 and 2 suffice.

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • kitchkitch Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Scientology is tax exempt in most places, and that's one of the major points of the protest.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    As a 4chaner, I have to say that Anon is actually quite intelligent, they just choose to be total dickwad idiots. I think the majority of us realized that this protest would never amount to much quite a long time ago but the fact of the matter is that everyone was bored, so it happened.

    Personally I think the best thing about the entire protest is that it displays the range of 4chans audience. A global protest is pretty damn impressive for a bunch of bored misanthropes.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    kitch wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Scientology is tax exempt in most places, and that's one of the major points of the protest.

    All religions are. That still doesn't explain what the difference is. How is scientology any more nonsense then most of the other things people choose to believe.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »

    1. They're protesting something the majority of people already know is stupid and wrong. It's like staging a protest against pedophilia.
    I don't think that most people actually know this. Most people know little or nothing about scientology.

  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Because they ruin lives and kill people. And no, not everyone knows this shit already.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    kitch wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Scientology is tax exempt in most places, and that's one of the major points of the protest.

    All religions are. That still doesn't explain what the difference is. How is scientology any more nonsense then most of the other things people choose to believe.

    Scientology is much more of a business than other religions.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Because they ruin lives and kill people. And no, not everyone knows this shit already.

    Again, how is this ANY DIFFERENT then any other religion?

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Yeah actually Sentry I think their entire point is to teach people the things you don't know. You are their target.

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    I guess I don't get it...

    1. They're protesting something the majority of people already know is stupid and wrong. It's like staging a protest against pedophilia.

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    I don't know how true one is. I think scientology is more seen as kooky as opposed to dangerous and employing shady tactics. As for your second point, scientology is far more like a cult then a religion (yes there is a difference) and for that fact far more dangerous and influential among its members.

  • kitchkitch Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    kitch wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Scientology is tax exempt in most places, and that's one of the major points of the protest.

    All religions are. That still doesn't explain what the difference is. How is scientology any more nonsense then most of the other things people choose to believe.

    It's more nonsensical because it's a trademarked organization that charges for information regarding the "faith."

  • Lave IILave II Registered User
    edited February 2008
    To an extent I agree.

    But at least for all of those other religions the entire texts of their beliefs are effectively free. Whereas for Scientology it costs about £200,000. The relative transparency of other religions are what set them apart to Scientology.

    To prohibit and forbid the spread of your holy words is quite unlike most religions.

  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    Medopine wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Because they ruin lives and kill people. And no, not everyone knows this shit already.

    Again, how is this ANY DIFFERENT then any other religion?

    It's not a religion, it's a business/cult.

    But let's not go there.


    I still think you are vastly overestimating the number of people who know what Scientology really is and does.

  • PillsAreNicePillsAreNice Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    I guess I don't get it...

    1. They're protesting something the majority of people already know is stupid and wrong. It's like staging a protest against pedophilia.

    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    3. There really isn't a three... I think 1 and 2 suffice.


    Scientology isn't a religion, it's a business. Unlike all religions you can't learn any doctrine, progress in the "church", or even acquire religious materials without paying a hefty fee.

    Just watch some of their promotional videos - they're corporate videos.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Yeah actually Sentry I think their entire point is to teach people the things you don't know. You are their target.

    What don't I know? That scientology is nonsense? That they prevent their members from taking needed medication that has, at times, resulted in the deaths of their members? That their entire hierarchy is based on how much you contribute to the church? That you essentially have to buy your way in, then buy your way up within its ranks? That the only reason it's so popular in Hollywood is that it is becoming a means of furthering ones career that is closed off to non-members?

    What exactly don't I know?

    Again, I still fail to see how this is any different from churches that perform exorcisms, demand a tithing, prevent members from getting blood transfusions or having necessary operations, advocate disciplining wives harshly, or any other minutia that permiates many mainstream religions.

    Seriously, how is this any different?

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • GrombarGrombar Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    2. Why does it matter what Scientology does anyway? "But, they con people into believing nonsense, then take their money, and give them advice that is harmful to their health..." yeah, welcome to religion. What makes Scientology so worthy of their efforts and not Mormanism, Christianity, and Zoastarianism? Because it's newer? Seems like a stupid reason.

    Most people don't know just how cruel and shady Scientology's practices are.

    Witness their fraudulent origins:
    My father has always held out Scientology and auditing to be based purely on science and not-on religious 'belief or faith. We regularly promised and distributed publications with 'scientific guarantees'. This was and has always been common practice. My father and I created a 'religious front' only for tax purposes and legal protection 'from fraud Claims'. We almost always told nearly everyone that Scientology was really science, not a religion, but that the religious front was created to deal with the government."

    Their hyper-litigious bullying:
    "The invidiousness of the alleged conspiracy is best reflected in the fact that plaintiff was sued [by the Church of Scientology] 21 times over the course of a 17- month period in jurisdictions ranging from New York to California.... we hold that plaintiff has sufficiently alleged the elements of the tort of malicious prosecution and, for purposes of this case, the tort of civil conspiracy to commit malicious prosecution."

    Their prison camp:
    "For most of the mission holders, it was their first glimpse of David Miscavige. Security guards never left his side during the evening. Apart from introducing each speaker, he had little to say to the audience. He merely warned them what would happen to anyone who turned against Scientology." ... 'That person's future is black. It is so black I can't even describe it right now. I can't even even find the words to describe how black that person's future is . . . I mean it is really black.' ... "Within a few days, some of them found out exactly what he meant. Eighteen were taken out to the Scientology prison camp at Happy Valley where they joined David Mayo, who had been there since the summer. They were kept for several months before being released." (Transcript of 1982 "Mission Holder Conference" entered as evidence in July 1984 child custody case before Justice Latey, Family Division, High Court, London; David Miscavige is the leader of Scientology since the death of L. Ron Hubbard)

    And their child slaves in international waters.
    The four-year-old boy could no longer cry. He had been nearly 40 hours in the chain locker of the flagship Apollo and his entire body was aching from his efforts to chip off rust. His knees and hands were raw with cuts and bruises. His voice was raspy from crying, and he was desperately afraid. He was constantly making resolutions to never, never again eat the Commodores telexes--the most recent crime of which he had been accused." ... "Little Tony had entered the chain locker through the tiny manhole that led to it. The metallic sound as the lid slammed shut sounded final somehow. The space was cramped for even his small body, and he was enveloped by darkness. It was wet in there and very, very scary. The chains of the ship's anchor took on the dimensions of a monster. At one point a rat scuttled by him squealing. He was sure he was going to die.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Lave II wrote: »
    To an extent I agree.

    But at least for all of those other religions the entire texts of their beliefs are effectively free. Whereas for Scientology it costs about £200,000. The relative transparency of other religions are what set them apart to Scientology.

    To prohibit and forbid the spread of your holy words is quite unlike most religions.[/ QUOTE]

    Mormanism does the exact same thing. Aside from the basic promotional material, you can't even enter one of their churches without being an indoctrinated member.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
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