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Warhammer: The game of Fantasy Badgers

AsherAsher Registered User regular
edited December 2008 in Critical Failures
Whats this warhammer thingy?

Warhammer is a tabletop minatures game made by Games Workshop and set in a universe of the same name. Its a gritty unforgiving setting where men are men, Skaven are Skaven, and Ladys in lakes may or may not be elves.
Wikipedia wrote:
Warhammer: The Game of Fantasy Battles, formerly Warhammer Fantasy Battle and often abbreviated to Warhammer, is a tabletop wargame created by Games Workshop and the origin of the Warhammer Fantasy setting.

The game is played with 'regiments' of fantasy miniatures. It uses stock fantasy races such as humans, elves, dwarfs, undead, orcs, goblins, vampires, as well as some more unusual types such as lizardmen, skaven, etc. Each race has its own unique strengths and flaws; Wood Elves, for example, have some of the most powerful archers in the game but have poor overall defense.

Since first appearing in 1983, Warhammer has been periodically updated and re-released with changes to the gaming system and army lists. The current official version is the seventh edition, released on 9 September 2006.

Looks like a bunch of toy soliders to me
It is, but these toy soidiers are servants to the dark gods, who tend to walk around stabbing each other

I used to do that when I was six with my army men!
Yes but warhammer is a tabletop strategy game. Each "little plastic man" is the result of painstaking and rewarding work, and the game itself is a tactical game based mainly on movement. Its like Airfix and chess combined, thats if chess had catapults and Airfix had models that represented damnation itself.

I see, so what races can I choose?
Because his post was awsome, and I am lazy, Hes Morskitters fantastic race post thing.

Morskittar wrote:
Who’s Killin’ Who?

Beasts of Chaos
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Beasts of Chaos are the “other” Chaos army: grubby, dirty beastmen, minotaurs, centaurs, and other gribblies. Y’now that creepy medieval picture of a satyr-daemon-thing on a woman’s chest? That’s these guys.

Bretonnia
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Pre-revolution French, King Arthur’s knights, and the oppressed peasants from Monty Python and the Holy Grail squished into an army full of heavy cavalry charges, uppity nobles, and oppressed peasants.

Dark Elves
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Ever wanted to play a wargame with Elric’s Melnibonean kin? Drugs, pointy ears, slaves, and the least fruity elves since medieval myth, these guys have little to do with Tolkien’s fairies.

Dogs of War
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Everything else. Tilean (read: 15th century Italian) pikemen, giants, ogres, and suicidal dwarf pirates (seriously), Dogs of War is a catch-all for various mercenaries that can be played on their own, or as additions to other forces.

Dwarfs
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Like every other dwafs ever, except more obsessed with gold, drunker, and a lot more sullen. If Gimli were a Warhammer dwaf, he would’ve spent three weeks checking a giant gold-lined book, found the time one of Aragorn’s ancestors scuffed his new boot, then cut the man’s head off as payment.

The Empire
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The point-of-view for most of the Warhammer World (and setting for WFRP), the Empire is an especially mad take on the 16th century, pre-Protestant Holy Roman Empire. Empire armies have it all, from state-licensed battle wizards to experimental steam and gunpowder cannons. Also, codpieces, tights, and jaunty caps. The Empire is the most stylish fantasy realm ever.

High Elves
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Yeah, they’re somewhat like Tolkien’s elves. Except how they’re a bit less “fade into the West” and more “exert control over everything like some facist hyper-Roman/British empire grasping at the last vestiges of divine right”. So they’re more like Tolkien’s elves, with balls.

Hordes of Chaos
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Willing servants of Chaos, most of this army is super elite, close combat units. If the Dark Side wasn’t a bunch of whiny bitches and old guys… it’d still be half as apocalyptically badass as Chaos. Except they still always lose… until next time they march to destroy the world for sure.

Lizardmen
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Biological automatons created by the Old Ones to do stuff. The lizardmen are a smelly and stupid. Die-die lizard-things.

Ogre Kingdoms
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Ogres are as fat as your mom. And way more badass, ‘cause they can eat rocks, horses, and have really bit swords and hammers. That’s pretty much all there is to them.

Greenskins
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WAAAGH!!!

Skaven
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The skaven don’t exist. If they did, however, they’d rule the stupid manthings in short order and be the primary protagonists of Warhammer, destined by the will of their god to rule the above-dwellers for all eternity.

Tomb Kings
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Undead that don’t suck. The Tomb Kings are the by-product of Nagash’s experiments and ambitions, who happens to be one of the coolest characters in Warhammer. Tomb Kings are less cool, but they could still beat the shit out of Brendan Frasier and Indiana Jones. At the same time.

Vampire Counts
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Whiny bitches, just like in every fantasy setting, ever. Warhammer vampires are a little cooler, though, ‘cause they were another inadvertent creation of Nagash.

Wood Elves
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Before Tolkien and Christmas came along, elves were vengeful, nasty, spirits of the forest. These guys skip Tolkien and get back to that. They’re not nice, they keep human children as drugged-up slaves, and they’re allied with possibly Chaotic (or just insane) trees. Also, the Bretonnians are their unknowing bitches.

Also Chaos dwarfs, although theyare tournament legal there not supported at the moment, but theres allot of nudging and winking involved when there mentioned, and they've popped up in a few of the recent army books, as well as getting models in the Storm Of Chaos

This shit seems expensive
It can be, but if you shop around you can get some pretty cheap deals, and despite the cost, youve got to agree GW makes some quality models. Ein put up a fantastic set of links to help you get some decent prices, and Ive included it below
Where can I buy this stuff online?
http://www.games-workshop.com/ - The main site. Not the cheapest place to get minis, but if you can't find it anywhere else...

http://www.forgeworld.com/ - Beautiful resin models to add spiff to any army. The place to go if you love your hobby, but hate your wallet.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk - Consistent discounts, extra discounts on 5+ 'army bundles', free international shipping, great selection. Used as #1 seller by myself and several other users.

http://www.chaosorc.com - Good discounts (particularly on large items), cheap shipping. patchy selection but carries lots of older products and non-GW stuff. Some items aren't clearly labeled differently from older versions, but they're a good alternative on specific items.

http://thewarstore.com/ - Excellent selection, good discounts, good service. 20% off normal prices, 25% off orders of $400 (adjusted price) or more. $3.95 shipping flat rate (free on certain orders I believe.)

http://www.bartertown.com/ - The place to go when looking for like-minded people with models for trade and sale. I just picked up a Forgeworld Warhound Titan for half-off from someone who needed to raise cash for a ring.

Other places of Note:
http://www.warseer.com - Currently about the biggest GW-related forum on the net.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/ - Space Marines, and high fashion (not really)

http://www.the-waaagh.com - Orks orks orks orks! Jobs a gud'un boss.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/ - They used to be cool. Kinda fallen on hard times.

http://www.the-warforge.com - Ein's modelling and converting site. Totally slipped this into the OP because I could.

And because you need a way to cart all your wonderful new toys around, here are a couple recommendations beyond what you can get from GW:

Sabol Army Transports A little expensive, but I use them exclusively, because of the quite reasonable international shipping price, and mostly for the fact that you can custom cut the foam trays to fit your models. Also available from the War Store, and BattleWagon Bits.

Figures in Comfort A wide range of precut foam trays, and carrying cases for whatever your needs.


Wonderful OP courtesy of those who have gone before.


OK, to kick things off this time around, the new VC? Hot? Not? Sure they've changed, but at least no one's kicking up a fuss about how drastically they've changed, unlike say High Elves. Ahem.
I refrain from judging until I've had a chance to stab them in the face a few times. So far I think that most of the new models look good. Except for the vampires, which have come out ugly again.

Asher on
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  • EstiloEstilo Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Badgers is all good with me.

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Asher wrote: »
    I am willing to take suggestions for the humorous subtitle for the thread. Badgers is the first thing that sprang to mind.

    As for the VCs, it seems that, this time around at least, GW seems to be shaking things up a bit. Personally, I'm not to worried about power creep, except accidentally. Sure people keep gibbering about the new High Elves and how terrible they are, but, in my carefully phrased, well considered opinions, they are a bunch of whiny bitches, who can't cope with a mechanic that changes the way the game is normally played.
    I'd classify myself as a reasonably experienced High Elf general, and, since the release of the new book, I've won less. Thats right, you bastards who keep complaining about how "imba" the new High Elves are! With the horribly under powered (Allegedly, I'd say it was fine), I went pretty much undefeated for nearly a year, but since the new book has come out, I've drawn a lot more.

    I have no idea where I was going with that, but it sure was Cathartic.

    Indeed. I am finding myself pleasantly surprised by the overall levels of polish and balance to be found n the newest Army Books; Though the new VC have lots (and lots) of really neat toys to play with, they all come at the expense of (dead) bodies on the ground. And it's bodies on the ground that win battles, not uber-lord vamps with autohitting lances and bonus attacks fr each wound inflicted.

    I fully expect playing VC to be an interesting challenge, rather than an automatic win/loss depending on whether I'm fighting Skaven or Dwarfs.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • EstiloEstilo Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Mr_Rose: Do you have any specific stratagems/tactics for exterminating the walking vermin?

  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Fire, fire and more fire ? Would assume you do anything your in power to kill their vampire first and foremost and then take it to the shambaling dead.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Estilo wrote: »
    Mr_Rose: Do you have any specific stratagems/tactics for exterminating the walking vermin?
    Summon zombie units on their flanks, dance them in to combat, blammo, no more Ld bonus. Then either leave them there, raising replacements to hold the unit in place, or charge them with something that can actually hit the ground two times out of three.
    It was even easier before units in combat became ItP, as you could just have a winged nightmare land next to them and go "boo" and they'd run screaming...

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • Dirty JobDirty Job Registered User
    edited February 2008
    As a High Elf player, I would like to say first and foremost that the new Vampire Codex is really, really cheesy.


    As a HIGH ELF player.

  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    As an Ogre player, I'm not horribly concerned with the VC. I'll be charging them on turn two, and hopefully blowing 4 dispel dice and 3-6 scrolls on turn 1 to contain the worst of the summoning.

    After that, squishy undead in combat with ogres who don't fear them.. They should go away pretty fast. A heavy-character, light-infantry, raise-the-rest army won't bother my ogres too much. I still don't know how to feel about the summoning potential of the army until i've seen it in action.

    My chaos... well... I'll just play a whole shitload of khorne, I guess.

    There. I have marked this thread so I can find it later. Marked it, with my pee.

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  • AlazullAlazull Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The only complaint I have about the new VC is the fact I have to buy a real Anvil of Doom now, instead of using a proxy.

    Besides that, they sound pretty balanced, according to what everyone else has said on the subject.

    In the mean time, I want to apologize to them because I said they were 4th edition. I mean, that was just n00blish on my part.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    In reference to my last post, there was a quote from someone from the GW dev team at a con around the time the 40k Sisters of Battle came out that they basically don't playtest there stuff, running maybe (maybe!) two games against each other army before revising it and shipping it out to the printers. They don't repeatedly playtest until they get balance; if they did, stuff like Clan Skyre Skaven lists and Dark Elves (to pick two ends of the spectrum) wouldn't happen.

    Now, admittedly WHFB is better balanced than 40k, but the reason their releases are taking so long is because of model development time - the models have gotten much better, and have far more options, but that all requires a long-ass time to sculpt and have molds made for and such.

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  • AlazullAlazull Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    To take the subject off VC and all the associated angst....

    I cannot wait to have my ass handed to me on March 8th.

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  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
  • EchoEcho very gravitas Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited February 2008
    Magnet under the base + magnetic sheet in the tray?

  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    Magnet under the base + magnetic sheet in the tray?

    Yessir. A sheet of tin metal (or anything that magnets can attach to that can also be easily cut by scissors), and some nice ZD1 magnets (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=ZD1) glued to each model.

  • RubberchristRubberchrist Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Local Hardware Store.. here I come!

    -R

    "Nurgle has got to be my favorite chaos god, fluff wise...
    He's portrayed as this sort of jovial, jolly old guy who thinks that rotting apocolyptic plague is funny as hell... So basically he's a big ole fat bastard who thinks giving you a scorching case of the herp is a big laugh."
    ---Erandus
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  • AsherAsher Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    That appears to have worked pretty damn well. I'll certainly consider doing this in the future.

    Things my Red Terror has Swallowed Whole: A Mentors Librarian, a Fire Warrior Sash'Ui. Total Points: 109 (so far...)
    "Leapin' and Hoppin' on a Warpshadow" - Mah Nids
    The Swordwind Rises! - Biel Tan. All Aspects. All the time.
    "Before seeking Victory, first make yourself Invulnerable to defeat" - Sneaky sneaky Raptors
  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous WALK 3X FASTER New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    My LGS sell sets of magnetized bases like that for Fantasy anf for some reason 40k.

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  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I've also discovered that these magnets can do a grand job of holding a Gray Seer on top of a Screaming Bell without him falling off into the rest of the dudes.

  • EchoEcho very gravitas Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited February 2008
    Had to glue a coin under the base for my orc standard bearer. Damn did he get top-heavy.

  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Has anyone ever heard the flexi-disc album from White Dwarf? Apparently the song "Blood for the Blood God" is near impossible to find now; it doesn't appear on any of Sabbat's other albums.

    edit: go search!

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  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    i just got the latetest issue of White dwarf with a VC battle report in it and was suprised to find they aren't to over powerd. it was a 3k game empire vs VC and ended up in a tie. They were playing a specific scenario but it was still a pretty close battle. I was very suprised.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

  • ZepplinZepplin Registered User
    edited February 2008
    i require assistance. i have just been masacred with my new chaos slaanesh army 2 times in a row, then a draw.
    SO... it was 850 and i took 1 unit of chosen knights, 1 unit of 12 warriors, 1 unit of 20 marauders with sword and board, slaanesh sorc and aspiring champ.

    now i have lived and learned with those 3 games with that same list. the next fame i have is 1100. so 250pts extra. i was thinking of going with...
    Spoiler:
    and of course add from that. i do have a main question as to what to equip my marauders with. i love how they look with sword and shield, but are the usless without flails or something?

    cheers in advance.

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Did your list happen to look a bit like this by any chance?
    Spoiler:
    If that's the case, I reckon you might just have too many points sunk into chosen knights at such a low point value game. If you drop the chosen bit, you can give the knights MoS and the War Banner, as well as making your Asp. Champion the BSB and giving him a horse.

    5 ItP knights + Asp. Champ with +3 static combat res will be much more effective in low value games than chosen I think.

    Or you could give the War Banner to the Champ, as his magic banner, at which point he can go around boosting whatever combat seems to need it. Not to mention that break test re-rolls from the standard bearer will help the marauders a lot.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Trade the warriors out for more knights. If you don't mind running cavalry heavy against people, that is.

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  • ZepplinZepplin Registered User
    edited February 2008
    thanks for the feed back guys.

    as to you Mr rose, that was pretty much my exact list. and i will now use the knights as regular with the MoS. my Troubles really came from an organ gun, and anyone with real magic power or shooting power. i was thinking of maybe getting a beast heard to ambush when our campaign goes to higher points.

    also i agree erandus. more knights can never be a bad thing. i hope to run many units of them in the future.

  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    A unit of furies is a handy thing for hunting war machine crews as well.

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  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    any fliers are good against warmachines.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    As a slaaneshi player, furies are really the only fliers available to him. Mounted daemonetts are nearly as useful, being fast cav with a 20 inch march, and much more sturdy in combat. They would make good caster/war machine hunters, and can break small units of shooty troops fairly well.

    If you want a strictly mortal list, your only real options are marauder fast cav (which you should have anyway to help your warriors get charges) or warhounds (which are pretty weak and can even manage to lose combats to war machine crews if things go badly).

    If you want to include daemons, furies and daemonette cav would be pretty useful.

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  • ZepplinZepplin Registered User
    edited February 2008
    im waiting for the new daemonettes for now. but as soon as i they are out im jumping all over those. ill have to look in to getting some marauder fast cav as well. i only ever hear good things about them.

  • MikeMcSomethingMikeMcSomething Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Just get to 2000pts - Buy empty movement trays if you have to. The game is significantly better @ 2000, and you won't notice single war machines/spellcasters decimating your entire army.

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Zepplin wrote: »
    thanks for the feed back guys.

    as to you Mr rose, that was pretty much my exact list. and i will now use the knights as regular with the MoS. my Troubles really came from an organ gun, and anyone with real magic power or shooting power. i was thinking of maybe getting a beast heard to ambush when our campaign goes to higher points.

    also i agree erandus. more knights can never be a bad thing. i hope to run many units of them in the future.
    Yeah, I came up with this one after I suggested those changes:
    Spoiler:
    The way it's set out, making the sorcerer the general doesn't cost you any Ld, but does free up the Asp. Champ to become a BSB, which is very very useful, not only for the break test re-roll but also for the +2 combat res. he adds to whatever unit he joins with the War Banner.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    So, 2500 point game tommorrow with my Skaven. Against God knows what army that my friend brings.

    What's that you say? 8 power dice and 4 dispel? That's not so impressive mister Grey Seer.

    What's that? Ohhh...you brought along 300 of your friends. Yes, that is quite impressive.

  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Screaming. Bell.

    Do it.
    Spoiler:

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  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    couple warp lightning cannons, you know some jezzails , couple other awsomes.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Erandus wrote: »
    Screaming. Bell.

    Do it.
    Spoiler:

    Oh, it's there. I don't want to spoil it in case my friend reads this before tommorrow, but:
    Spoiler:

    So much room for goodies even after kitting out the Grey Seer with Bell.

  • ErandusErandus Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Make sure you have things in your list that can actually win combats. Just shitloads of clanrats aren't quite enough.

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  • AlazullAlazull Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Draeven wrote: »
    couple warp lightning cannons, you know some jezzails , couple other awsomes.

    Needs. More. WARPSTONE.

    And I am being completely cereal.

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  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    So I'm apparently in possession of a Human Blood Bowl Team box thingy. I have no idea what to do with it.

  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    play blood bowl.
    Blood Bowl's awesome.

  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Disaster. He rolled Tomb Kings with the Casket of Souls.

    Goodbye Jezzails. Goodbye Plague Censers. Goodbye half my other guys because he kept rolling 10+.

  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    ewww, that sucks man. A little advice on Tk, always leave dispell dice for the casket, always. sure he may get a Res off, or an extra move / extra attack but really thats nothing compared to what the casket can do , as you have seen. it sucks even worse once you start losing ranks , ie losing LD. or try and get a scout unit on it as soon as possible.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

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