Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it, follow these directions. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.
Our rules have been updated and given their own forum. Go and look at them! They are nice, and there may be new ones that you didn't know about! Hooray for rules! Hooray for The System! Hooray for Conforming!

New Comic - Feb. 18, 2008

1356789

Posts

  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Red Bird wrote: »
    Yes, thats how they hook you. You read one good EU novel and another and another. Then those are all gone. So you start reading the less-good ones, then the bad ones.

    Then the mind-blowingly bad ones. You just want that original glory back.

    But its gone. All you have left is the memories, and the filth slowly eclipses those.

    Someone lent me the Thrawn trilogy, and I read them, and I was like "hey these aren't bad" and then I stopped before it had the chance to get ugly.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    you're one of the lucky ones

    filefile.jpg
  • FramlingFramling Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Boba Fett dies?

    In Return Of The Jedi, that's what I think he means. He gets pulled into the Sarlaac (sp?), the big mouth-thing in the desert, and it's implied that once you get pulled in there, you will never get back out.
    I can't even fucking believe I'm going to get into this conversation, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a dude with a goddamn jetpack and laserguns couldn't possibly get out of a monster that digests you over the course of a bunch of years.

    god, I feel filthy right now.

    I understand the basic idea that you're getting at here, the issue that I have is that the film presented as "if this thing gets you, you are fucking dead." Being wrapped in tentacles and swallowed into subterranean organs, I mean, I'd expect that shooting your guns might kill the thing, but then you're buried pretty deep underground in a suffocating wall of meat and acid.

    Well, considering the whole "if this thing gets you, you're dead" claim was made by Jabba, while he was trying to indimidate his prisoners, I think he had reasonable motivation to overstate the situation.

    you're = you are
    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • CampionCampion Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Great, now they have Brawl and we'll never get the podcast!

    4484-7718-8470
  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Red Bird wrote: »
    Yes, thats how they hook you. You read one good EU novel and another and another. Then those are all gone. So you start reading the less-good ones, then the bad ones.

    Then the mind-blowingly bad ones. You just want that original glory back.

    But its gone. All you have left is the memories, and the filth slowly eclipses those.

    As long as Matthew Stover writes the occasional book it's all worth it.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    is he the one who wrote the book about jacen in captivity and being trained by bird lady?

    ill admit that wasn't a bad book

    filefile.jpg
  • SabreMauSabreMau Still featuring glasses. Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Come to think of it, are there any EU novels that have the Empire or Imperials as a protagonist? Like how the TIE Fighter PC game had it?

    1yrxP.jpgmXcqC.jpgtYRm1.jpg
  • WrenWren Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    no doods a bunch of adolescent rocket jockeys are better for the universe. who needs order?

    tf2sig.jpg
    TF2 - Wren BF3: Wren-fu
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Framling wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Boba Fett dies?

    In Return Of The Jedi, that's what I think he means. He gets pulled into the Sarlaac (sp?), the big mouth-thing in the desert, and it's implied that once you get pulled in there, you will never get back out.
    I can't even fucking believe I'm going to get into this conversation, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a dude with a goddamn jetpack and laserguns couldn't possibly get out of a monster that digests you over the course of a bunch of years.

    god, I feel filthy right now.

    I understand the basic idea that you're getting at here, the issue that I have is that the film presented as "if this thing gets you, you are fucking dead." Being wrapped in tentacles and swallowed into subterranean organs, I mean, I'd expect that shooting your guns might kill the thing, but then you're buried pretty deep underground in a suffocating wall of meat and acid.

    Well, considering the whole "if this thing gets you, you're dead" claim was made by Jabba, while he was trying to indimidate his prisoners, I think he had reasonable motivation to overstate the situation.

    Well, right, but he was using it as a means of execution, which implies that it does actually work. I mean, you intend to put these guys to death, right? So maybe you overstate how long and painful it's gonna be. Clearly, "digested over thousands of years" doesn't really matter because you weren't going to live that long in the first place. So OK, there's a little of that. But Jabba obviously believed that what he was doing would be a sure-fire way to kill them, or he wouldn't have done it. Obviously, he didn't just shoot them on the spot because he wanted to gain the extra advantage of intimidating anyone else who might think of pissing him off in the future, but he had to be sure that they would not survive or else he undermines himself.

    So in short, it makes no sense to assume that there was any real chance of survival for anyone who gets pulled into the pit.

    But you see, this, this right here, this way of thinking, this borderline-retcon bullshit used in the name of fanservice (bringing back a popular villain), this is why the EU sucks so bad. Plot-wise, there's no good reason to believe that he survived. The film showed him meeting his end. But it's just like every comic book where the bad guy is buried under 4000 tons of nuclear explosives and they go off and there's a giant fucking mushroom cloud and the land is irradiated for centuries, but SOMEHOW the fucker shows up to mess with the heroes again, and he's got a few facial scars. It's that "we didn't get a clinical close-up shot rivaling hardcore pornography of the guy dying, so there's a chance that maybe he survived." It was pretty clear that the character died at that scene in the film.

    Seriously, imagine the emperor being alive again. Oh, well, he fell down the reactor shaft, but you never SAW him die. What you saw was an explosion, which was just his BODY hitting the reactor energy core thing, but he used a Sith power that he never told anyone else about, even Vader, and that power saved him from the fall by allowing him to switch souls/bodies with some Joe Blow storm trooper or something, and after that, he escaped in the evacuation in a younger body with all his powers intact.

    See, now that's fucking stupid. It's bad writing. It's a retcon in the name of fanservice, because clearly the emperor died in that scene.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • Jason ToddJason Todd Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    wasnt there some book or comic where the emperor did come back?

    filefile.jpg
  • The Far SideThe Far Side __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2008
    S-RANK FAKEPOST

    HIGH SCORE

    33aqfwk.jpg
  • laughingfuzzballlaughingfuzzball Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Seriously, imagine the emperor being alive again. Oh, well, he fell down the reactor shaft, but you never SAW him die. What you saw was an explosion, which was just his BODY hitting the reactor energy core thing, but he used a Sith power that he never told anyone else about, even Vader, and that power saved him from the fall by allowing him to switch souls/bodies with some Joe Blow storm trooper or something, and after that, he escaped in the evacuation in a younger body with all his powers intact.

    Dark Empire

  • JordynJordyn Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    framling loves trash so much he married it ahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Framling put his balls on your little toy things.

    thumbsupguy-1.jpg
    JordynNolz.com <- All my blogs (Shepard, Wasted, J'onn, DCAU) are here now!
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Seriously, imagine the emperor being alive again. Oh, well, he fell down the reactor shaft, but you never SAW him die. What you saw was an explosion, which was just his BODY hitting the reactor energy core thing, but he used a Sith power that he never told anyone else about, even Vader, and that power saved him from the fall by allowing him to switch souls/bodies with some Joe Blow storm trooper or something, and after that, he escaped in the evacuation in a younger body with all his powers intact.

    Dark Empire

    What?

    Wait, are you serious?

    I just made that up. I was trying to make up something that was as terrible as I could come up with. Are you serious?

    How close is Dark Empire to what I just described?

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • Bloods EndBloods End Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Seriously, imagine the emperor being alive again. Oh, well, he fell down the reactor shaft, but you never SAW him die. What you saw was an explosion, which was just his BODY hitting the reactor energy core thing, but he used a Sith power that he never told anyone else about, even Vader, and that power saved him from the fall by allowing him to switch souls/bodies with some Joe Blow storm trooper or something, and after that, he escaped in the evacuation in a younger body with all his powers intact.

    Dark Empire

    To be fair it was a new clone body, not a stormtroopers.

    I never managed to read Empires End, because it's the one comic they never reprint. I want to find out how it ended.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Jordyn wrote: »
    framling loves trash so much he married it ahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Framling put his balls on your little toy things.

    Framling put his balls on you, though.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • SnowbeatSnowbeat i need something to kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    actually, it's a clone of the Emperor.

    but close enough I guess

    EDIT: beat'd

    Q1e6oi8.gif
  • ZeroFillZeroFill Feeling much better. A nice, green leaf.Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    it all started with a 3 word post:
    boba fett dies?

    and no one realized it was a joke

    most of all defender who saw an opportunity to go through a keyboard and rank to yell at something

  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    ZeroFill wrote: »
    it all started with a 3 word post:
    boba fett dies?

    and no one realized it was a joke

    most of all defender who saw an opportunity to go through a keyboard and rank to yell at something

    I had to read "go through a keyboard and Rank" like four times to get it to parse right.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • ZeroFillZeroFill Feeling much better. A nice, green leaf.Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    that's because you have no soul

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus I didn't want to wake you up but I really want to show you somethingRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Seriously, imagine the emperor being alive again. Oh, well, he fell down the reactor shaft, but you never SAW him die. What you saw was an explosion, which was just his BODY hitting the reactor energy core thing, but he used a Sith power that he never told anyone else about, even Vader, and that power saved him from the fall by allowing him to switch souls/bodies with some Joe Blow storm trooper or something, and after that, he escaped in the evacuation in a younger body with all his powers intact.

    Dark Empire

    What?

    Wait, are you serious?

    I just made that up. I was trying to make up something that was as terrible as I could come up with. Are you serious?

    How close is Dark Empire to what I just described?

    Wiki describes it better than I could.
    Palpatine made his first major appearance in the Expanded Universe in 1991 and 1992 with the Dark Empire series of comic books written by Tom Veitch and illustrated by Cam Kennedy. In the series, set six years after Return of the Jedi, Palpatine is resurrected as the Emperor Reborn or Palpatine the Undying. His spirit returns from the netherworld of the Force with the aid of Sith ghosts on Korriban and possesses the body of Jeng Droga, one of Palpatine's elite spies and assassins known as the Emperor's Hands. Droga flees to a secret Imperial base on the planet Byss, where the Emperor's advisor Sate Pestage exorcises Palpatine's spirit and channels it into one of many clones created by Palpatine before his death. Palpatine attempts to resume control of the galaxy, but his plans are sabotaged by Luke Skywalker, who is now a Jedi Master. He destroys most of Palpatine's cloning tanks, but is only able to defeat the Emperor with Princess Leia's help

    I read the comic, it wasn't too bad.

  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Goddammit.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • JordynJordyn Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Jordyn wrote: »
    framling loves trash so much he married it ahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Framling put his balls on your little toy things.

    Framling put his balls on you, though.

    no, no, we have like a special thing

    thumbsupguy-1.jpg
    JordynNolz.com <- All my blogs (Shepard, Wasted, J'onn, DCAU) are here now!
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Jordyn wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Jordyn wrote: »
    framling loves trash so much he married it ahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Framling put his balls on your little toy things.

    Framling put his balls on you, though.

    no, no, we have like a special thing

    Yeah, that excuse didn't work out so well for me at the Catholic school, you might wanna work on it.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Goddammit.
    Fucking Kevin J. Anderson references that shit.

    gusinrepose.png
  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Goddammit.
    Fucking Kevin J. Andersen references that shit.

    Is he, like, one of the really bad EU writers or something? I don't recognize that name. Actually, I feel like I have heard it before. But I don't know who that is.

    hello massa, I jar jar binks
    I've overheard someone say "Don't say something is retarded, its not cool to make fun of retards. Just say its gay."
  • JordynJordyn Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I have been told that Kevin J. Anderson can only write a book if it involves some sort of doomsday device.

    thumbsupguy-1.jpg
    JordynNolz.com <- All my blogs (Shepard, Wasted, J'onn, DCAU) are here now!
  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Certified BrimperRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Jordyn wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Jordyn wrote: »
    framling loves trash so much he married it ahahahahahaha ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Framling put his balls on your little toy things.

    Framling put his balls on you, though.

    no, no, we have like a special thing

    plastic bag and a rubber band?

    sites: personal | tumblr | abracadaniel dot com | coolguy.me
    services I recommend: tonx coffee *highly recommended* | everlane
    Secret Satan Wishlists: Regular List Coffee Stuff
    FUNTENDO DS BROCODE: 2337-4364-1683
  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    i read Darksaber and Lightsabers

    the first one was alright, and then Lightsabers was like reading Goosebumps or some shit

  • laughingfuzzballlaughingfuzzball Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Basically, if you were reading new EU in the mid to late nineties, you were reading Anderson.

    He turned out a lot of material in a very short period of time, and it shows.

  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Goddammit.
    Fucking Kevin J. Anderson references that shit.

    Is he, like, one of the really bad EU writers or something? I don't recognize that name. Actually, I feel like I have heard it before. But I don't know who that is.
    He also workd with Brian Herbert on the new Dune novels.

    gusinrepose.png
  • FramlingFramling Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Defender wrote: »
    Framling wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Boba Fett dies?

    In Return Of The Jedi, that's what I think he means. He gets pulled into the Sarlaac (sp?), the big mouth-thing in the desert, and it's implied that once you get pulled in there, you will never get back out.
    I can't even fucking believe I'm going to get into this conversation, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a dude with a goddamn jetpack and laserguns couldn't possibly get out of a monster that digests you over the course of a bunch of years.

    god, I feel filthy right now.

    I understand the basic idea that you're getting at here, the issue that I have is that the film presented as "if this thing gets you, you are fucking dead." Being wrapped in tentacles and swallowed into subterranean organs, I mean, I'd expect that shooting your guns might kill the thing, but then you're buried pretty deep underground in a suffocating wall of meat and acid.

    Well, considering the whole "if this thing gets you, you're dead" claim was made by Jabba, while he was trying to indimidate his prisoners, I think he had reasonable motivation to overstate the situation.

    Well, right, but he was using it as a means of execution, which implies that it does actually work. I mean, you intend to put these guys to death, right? So maybe you overstate how long and painful it's gonna be. Clearly, "digested over thousands of years" doesn't really matter because you weren't going to live that long in the first place. So OK, there's a little of that. But Jabba obviously believed that what he was doing would be a sure-fire way to kill them, or he wouldn't have done it. Obviously, he didn't just shoot them on the spot because he wanted to gain the extra advantage of intimidating anyone else who might think of pissing him off in the future, but he had to be sure that they would not survive or else he undermines himself.

    So in short, it makes no sense to assume that there was any real chance of survival for anyone who gets pulled into the pit.

    But it's not like he was throwing people in there with jet packs, guns, grenades, rocket launchers and full suits of armor. He's throwing in unarmed dudes, probably tied up or shackled sometimes.

    I don't know, I read the story, and I was like "okay, I guess that makes sense."

    I can agree that, on the face, the Emperor coming back in a clone body sounds pretty dumb. I haven't actually sat down and read through Dark Empire I and II, since I can't stand the coloring work, so I can't say it's any better in actual execution.

    you're = you are
    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • FramlingFramling Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    mrpaku wrote: »
    i read Darksaber and Lightsabers

    the first one was alright, and then Lightsabers was like reading Goosebumps or some shit

    Darksaber wasn't that good, and Lightsabers I'm pretty sure was for kids. Was that Young Jedi Knights? That was for kids.

    you're = you are
    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    well i was a kid when i read them

  • 6_Vitium_6_Concubine_66_Vitium_6_Concubine_6 __BANNED USERS
    edited February 2008
    Gabe likes Star Wars alot ahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah what a good joke.

  • FramlingFramling Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    mrpaku wrote: »
    well i was a kid when i read them

    Oh, okay, fair enough.

    you're = you are
    your = belonging to you

    their = belonging to them
    there = not here
    they're = they are
  • DakalDakal Registered User
    edited February 2008
    Is it me or do they both look fat in panels 1 and 3?

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Jordyn wrote: »
    I have been told that Kevin J. Anderson can only write a book if it involves some sort of doomsday device.

    This is true. Kevin J. Anderson is awful. However, he did manage to write one, exactly one, good thing in Star Wars. And here it is!

    Anderson wrote Darksaber. Now, that's not the good thing. Darksaber was, in fact, one of the worst books in Star Wars EU outside of one event. Now, in Darksaber, the man who designed the Death Star is a primary character. His name is Bevel Lemelisk. Lemelisk was basically the Emperor's pet scientist, designing all sorts of crap for him over a period of years. Now, every time Lemelisk screwed something up, the Emperor would kill him, and use the Force to move his spirit to a new body. Once, the Emperor killed Lemelisk by submerging him in a pool of molten copper.

    Lemelisk agonzied for years over this. "Why copper?" Bugged the hell out of him. So one day, he gets up the guts to go and ask the Emperor.

    The Emperor's reply is, "It's what the smelters happened to have that day."

    chillaxton.jpg
    and I broke parole just to get to you
  • bowlofpetuniasbowlofpetunias Registered User
    edited February 2008
    I think I just read way more about EU than I ever wanted. Thanks guys!

  • jwalkjwalk frosty Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Boba Fett was a chump anyway. He got beat by a blind guy, with a stick.

This discussion has been closed.