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So this Godhand... I hear it has TWO hands. (PS2)

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  • l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User
    edited March 2008
    If it is, you're playing it wrong. God of War throws shit at you you can't really have a hope of getting past. Devil May Cry, same thing. In God Hand, it's entirely possible to make it out of anything completely unharmed if you're good enough. If you've got a good enough grasp on the game's basic mechanics, you're unstoppable. It's only hard if YOU make a mistake, and THAT'S why we love it; it's a game that actively rewards you for being good at it.

    Quit being a sissy and buy it, nancy.

  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I never thought I'd be able to survive without yesmaam kablaam, chain yanker. Bosses are too cheap! You need multiple chain yankers! As if.
    They never vary their move timing and the really hard to avoid moves have huge windups, like a tidal wave you can dodge.
    The only times the game frustrates me is when my timing is off because I'm sleepy or trying to play it at 3am.
    And when that happens, because this isn't an official kick me run but just me learning not to rely on crutches too much, I just bust out the godhand and equip yes maam etc and go to town.

    When I do my fresh kick me run I'll be playing another hard mode clear save concurrently, so that if I'm having a really bad day on the kick me run I can go smash shit up with overpowered god moves and have fun. :D

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Having just dug this thing out due to this thread, I'm realizing something.

    My muscle memory is SHIT. I'm getting my ass beat and relying heavily on health items.

  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    This game is basically full of moments where you are all like "Man, this is impossible! I will never be good enough to do this!"

    Then each time you try it, you get a little better. Rely on God Mode/reels less and less, and eventually you just about make it.

    Then you hit the point were you think "man, I can't believe I found that so hard, it's easy now."

    Then it steps up the difficulty again.

    Rinse repeat until completion.

    The best thing about it is that it's always challenging, but it is always your fault when you die, and you always do better next time.

  • ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User
    edited March 2008
    God of War was hard.....I thought those games were easy I was chaining like 2,000 hit attacks regularly.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I bought God Hand for two reasons. (1) it's attained cult status among gamers like those on these boards, so there must be somethin' there. (2) it was Clover's last game.

    I took it home, went through a couple levels and thought the whole thing was pretty 'meh'. I went and played some Fatal Frame, some God of War, I did a run through of ICO and came back to it - and my opinion evolved.
    LewieP wrote: »
    The best thing about it is that it's always challenging, but it is always your fault when you die, and you always do better next time.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    So you folks like torturing yourselves don't you? Everything about this game just sounds....too hard.

    Hard is good. When a game is genuinely difficult and not artificially difficult (I'm looking at YOU, Ninja Gaiden's camera), beating it is the most satisfying gaming experience imaginable. God Hand is the best kind of Hard.

    Yes, this review link has already been posted. I feel it needs to be reiterated, though, since it tells you everything about the game that you need to decide whether or not its for you.

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  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    So you folks like torturing yourselves don't you? Everything about this game just sounds....too hard.

    Hard is good. When a game is genuinely difficult and not artificially difficult (I'm looking at YOU, Ninja Gaiden's camera), beating it is the most satisfying gaming experience imaginable. God Hand is the best kind of Hard.

    Yes, this review link has already been posted. I feel it needs to be reiterated, though, since it tells you everything about the game that you need to decide whether or not its for you.

    The first 20s remains the best and most balanced review about God Hand on the internet.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Don't fuck with a witch Time to go VROOM!Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Every time I see that video, I wish I had a Scottish accent.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I just beat all the challenges today so I could unlock challenge 51 and have a go.

    Wow.

    Just wow.

    I can't do shit to him. I guess those god moves aren't so overpowered after all.

    Amongst one of my many deaths trying to even get him below half health, he dodged the last hit of my pummel and countered me for the kill. O_O

    This one is going to keep me busy for a good long time. I heard you can beat him easily using fist of god in god hand, but that sounds boring, I quite like needing to work really hard for every god hand meter.

    Anyone got any combo building tips?

    Is palm smash better than haymaker of god vs him? I thought haymaker was faster. I seen a few videos using palm smash and was trying to work out why you'd use it when haymaker has better range, speed and damage.

    Oh and for whoever told me a few threads ago that'd I'd really like this guy and find the fight fun.
    You were right.
    I actually changed how I put my right hand on the controller just so I could react fast enough if I got caught in a pummel, because in the time it took to move my hands to hit square, triangle circle in a repeating fashion from the normal controller grip I'd fallen too far behind to catch up to him and outpummel him.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I too could use some tips with the combo. The one I have is okay for regular enemies, but it's too forward-focused, and it fails against Elvis3. Any suggestions for a move that's fast AND with a wide angle to how much it hits, to limit how much I can be ganged up on?

    EDIT: I'm also doing a kick me run, which makes it hard as BALLS. Fun, though, and still very beatable.

  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FYI for those who don't know how the dynamic difficulty works in this game: There are 4 AI difficulty levels. They are 1, 2, 3, and DIE. These determine how aggressive your enemies are as well as how easy they are to launch with uppercuts and flying kicks. You always know what level you're at, as it's displayed in the corner of the screen. As you do better (score more hits, avoid damage, etc.), the enemy AI level rises. As you take damage or die, the enemy AI level decreases. It never gets any harder than level DIE. Many people who have gotten good at the game play pretty constantly at level DIE.

    Note that all of this applies to Normal mode. There is also Easy mode (where the AI level only changes between 1 and 2), and Hard mode (where the AI level is locked in at level DIE).

  • Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I can attest to the fact that watching someone better than you play makes you better. Use to be that I had trouble when I got to Level 3. After watching someone better than me, I can now hold my own on Level DIE.

    Go me.

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    yalborap wrote: »
    I too could use some tips with the combo. The one I have is okay for regular enemies, but it's too forward-focused, and it fails against Elvis3. Any suggestions for a move that's fast AND with a wide angle to how much it hits, to limit how much I can be ganged up on?

    EDIT: I'm also doing a kick me run, which makes it hard as BALLS. Fun, though, and still very beatable.

    I actually did Elvis three as a semi kick me run. I used my godhand once in the whole battle, when it had filled up naturally. And I finished him off with a discombobulator for style points.
    But anyway, I got him to 2/3rds health with this, I'm sure you could take it the rest of the way:

    jab one, straight one, chin music (don't look at me like that, it's fast), gene rush combo or whatever that one is called.

    high kick 3.

    I saw this in a kick me run on youtube.

    Basically you run up in between his attacks and go jab straight chinmusic then backflip away. Get's you four very fast decent ranged hits in. Then you dodge.

    The only attack that is hard to dodge is his giant roll. What you do is you wait till he is like, halfway to you, then backflip so that he hits you in the middle of the backflip. He just phases straight through you. Then you spin around and run up and 1,2,chinmusic.
    If he does a really long attack, finish with the gene rush. The point is not to do lots of damage with your normal punches, but to get in enough quick and speedy hits to eventually pummel him.
    When he goes to pummel, don't pummel straight away! Instead do about four or five fast high kick cancels to do some decent damage to him, then pummel him.

    Repeat.

    Have fun, the only thing that he has that's really really hard to get the hang of is his two very fast quick punches, they have no windup that I can see.

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  • Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Kick cancelling Felix to death is so fucking satisfying.

    "BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!BLUWEH!"

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Especially when you keep the cancel going long after they are dead. Yeah you like that? Have another one. Oh yeah. Take that. You want some more? I got some!
    Then you taunt their corpse for no reason. Boooring!

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  • savooipeerdsavooipeerd Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I just beat all the challenges today so I could unlock challenge 51 and have a go.

    Wow.

    Just wow.

    I can't do shit to him. I guess those god moves aren't so overpowered after all.

    Amongst one of my many deaths trying to even get him below half health, he dodged the last hit of my pummel and countered me for the kill. O_O

    This one is going to keep me busy for a good long time. I heard you can beat him easily using fist of god in god hand, but that sounds boring, I quite like needing to work really hard for every god hand meter.

    Anyone got any combo building tips?

    Is palm smash better than haymaker of god vs him? I thought haymaker was faster. I seen a few videos using palm smash and was trying to work out why you'd use it when haymaker has better range, speed and damage.

    Oh and for whoever told me a few threads ago that'd I'd really like this guy and find the fight fun.
    You were right.
    I actually changed how I put my right hand on the controller just so I could react fast enough if I got caught in a pummel, because in the time it took to move my hands to hit square, triangle circle in a repeating fashion from the normal controller grip I'd fallen too far behind to catch up to him and outpummel him.

    I was the guy that told you, nice to see I was right.

    Someone will probably disagree with me, but here's my secret to beating him: the healing roulettes. Challenge 51 is a long, long fight, so unlike most bosses you are going to have to do most of the damage with normal attacks and the god hand. In the long run, you're going to be able to do more damage with an extra one and a third bar of health than with any combination of offensive roulettes. If possible you should avoid the pummel matches as well, because even if you win you will have lost some health, and health is very precious.

    There is still one attack in the game that I am simply unable to dodge, however:
    Spoiler:

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Stay right up close to her and she rarely does it.
    This takes balls of steel.
    Alternatively, equip step back kick and cancel the kick with sidestep after Gene does the step back bit. You will move almost as fast as demons do. Back~ss~back~ss~back~ss
    If you want incredible speed though, learn to cancel the step back with updodge and just do another step back. You can't dodge very well like this, you get no sidestep. But you can get some massive distance really quickly that way once you get it up to speed since once you've mastered it you are basically doing an infinite step back dash.

    Were you the guy that told me to experiment with multihits more? If so thankyou, because machpunch 1 or 2 is permanently on my triangle button.
    Although the first two hits of my combo are still jab straight. Sorry. :P

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  • StriferStrifer Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I would like to take this moment to say that I like your choice of a vice-president, savooipeerd.

    The thing about God Hand is that no matter how good you are going to get at this game, there is always, always something to come back to. Always meaningful, always a challenge...

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Strifer wrote: »
    The thing about God Hand is that no matter how good you are going to get at this game, there is always, always something to come back to. Always meaningful, always a challenge...

    And thus the glory of God Hand. It's the genius of having a game thats just about punching people. No hour long cutscenes to get bored with, no lengthly tutorial sequences, no crying in the corner over your tragic past. Just punching people in the face.





    Also fuck Richard! Michael Wilson for life!

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  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Strifer wrote: »
    I would like to take this moment to say that I like your choice of a vice-president, savooipeerd.

    The thing about God Hand is that no matter how good you are going to get at this game, there is always, always something to come back to. Always meaningful, always a challenge...

    I had a long day yesterday and couldn't play much god hand when I got home.

    That night, I dreamt about the timing necessary to high kick counter enemies into the wall.

    I'm thinking I need a certain amount of godhand per day, or else I start dreaming about it. :O

    The beauty of it is that the challenge is actually yours to decide. There are numerous completely overpowered moves to abuse and float gaily through the levels with. An example is drunken twist.
    You can also abuse multiple chain yankers and yes maams and even dizzy people and yes maam them to pummel. All of this I would count as abused moves. It's only when I stop using them that I actually learn how to fight the enemies properly.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It is possible to use Drunken Twist as a regular combo opener without abusing it, of course.
    Although i prefer Half-Moon Kick.

  • MasumeMasume Creator Caprica, FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

    I'm assuming you're using your God Hand?

  • MasumeMasume Creator Caprica, FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    yalborap wrote: »
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

    I'm assuming you're using your God Hand?

    Yeah, the few that I get. First one goes to that stupid statue coming out of the ground.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Masume wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

    I'm assuming you're using your God Hand?

    Yeah, the few that I get. First one goes to that stupid statue coming out of the ground.

    Okay, you're doin' it a bit wrong. Keep your God Hand for those really tough points. Also, learn how to dodge the enemy attacks. And when all else fails, Object Assault.

  • MasumeMasume Creator Caprica, FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    yalborap wrote: »
    Masume wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

    I'm assuming you're using your God Hand?

    Yeah, the few that I get. First one goes to that stupid statue coming out of the ground.

    Okay, you're doin' it a bit wrong. Keep your God Hand for those really tough points. Also, learn how to dodge the enemy attacks. And when all else fails, Object Assault.

    I was thinking that, although the game blatantly tells you to use the damn thing when it pops out, similar to 'DO A BARREL ROLL', just replaced barrel roll for GODHAND. What's Object Assault? Throwing crap? I only ever find a barrel to use.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.

    Consider altering your combo (Barrel Roll Kick is slow as anything, bur works reasonably on the opening enemies). Throw crates and barrels like nobody's business. Dodge whenever you see a move telegraphed. Use both your roulette and god hand on demons, and save them for them unless you're about to die.

    There's also a guy with a plank somewhere in the first area. Beat him up, grab it, use it to take down a group.

  • ChtulieChtulie Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Masume wrote: »
    So guys, I own this game after picking it up from all the recommendations on PA, etc. However, I can't freaking make it past the first damn stage. Maybe I'm getting lame in my old age or something, but my ass is getting stomped on. Usually about the time the first level up thing goes off. Any surefire tricks or strats offhand, without delving through GameFAQs, offhand? I do a bit of dodging, throw some punches, but they inevitably whittle me down with a punch here and there until I'm dead. Also, fuck that demon, fuck him right in the ear.
    Here might be an easy way to grasp Godhand for starters:

    It helps if you've played Resident Evil 4, not unsurpisingly, and experience there can help here:
    Pay lots of attention to your position and facing. Keep enemies out of your back and flanks. Spot enemies that are about to throw an attack which they telegraph well in advance. Make as effecient use as possible of your arsenal. Remeber that they can take way more damage then you can.

    Like RE4 it's also an assymtrically balanced game. They can block, you can dodge, they've got more health, you can replenish yours, they've got numbers, you've got the special moves. So the key to winning is to play the game to your character's strengths, to play a diffirent game then the one the enemies try to play with you.
    Or to put it another way:
    You're playing Muhammed Ali and the field is filled with Foreman and Liston clones.

  • l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Your style is impetuous.

  • StriferStrifer Registered User
    edited March 2008
    My advice is to keep at it and try different moves. It sort of starts clicking after a while, but the first few moments might be painful.

    Once you beat the stage, go fight the practice dummy in the arena. Do it until you can maintain Level DIE for a satisfying amount of time. The experience gained from this will help you see what you should do, what you shouldn't do, and how to look for weakpoints. Note that you do not receive damage during practice, and you can use moves from the shop without buying them.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Strifer wrote: »
    The thing about God Hand is that no matter how good you are going to get at this game, there is always, always something to come back to. Always meaningful, always a challenge...

    Unless you're this guy:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/enraiharuka

  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Here's a rough guide to level 1-1. I'm not telling you how to fight guys, just how to use the level best to your advantage. It is reasonably detailed with regards to the level, so contains some tactical spoilers, but no major plot spoilers.
    Spoiler:

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  • Masamune42Masamune42 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Marty81 wrote: »
    Holy shit.

    I see I still have a lot of work to do in this game.

  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Haha I learnt some neat shit off that guy. Was watching stage 2-1. I didn't know you could still triangle kick them after your up and triangle only stunned them. And I didn't know you could fly kick someone after a barrel, that was sweet as hell.

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  • StriferStrifer Registered User
    edited March 2008
    This guy is unreal. The best thing is that he does not abuse cheap moves, and he even dodged Kung Fu Tango. Admittedly, it's not hard to do so - you can even side-dodge the last punch for extra hilarity.

    Now I have an inkling to play God Hand on hard.

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