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Joss Whedon is a racist misogynist that rapes his wife, now with 10% more Shakespeare

KageraKagera Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Ah the internet, where the most interesting blogs are a google search away.

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

Basically this particular blogger takes issue with Joss Whedon's portrayal of women in Firefly, and seems confounded by the idea people see him as a feminist, and has declared Joss Whedon is the worst man in the universe.

Here are some choice quotes:
The next scene we meet Kaylee, the ship’s mechanic. <- Lookee, lookee, feminist empowerment. In this scene Mal and Jayne are stowing away the cargo they just stole. Kaylee is chatting to them, happily. Jayne asks Mal to get Kaylee to stop being so cheerful. Mal replies, “Sometimes you just wanna duct tape her mouth and dump her in the hold for a month.” Yes, that is an exact quote, “Sometimes you just wanna DUCT TAPE HER MOUTH and DUMP HER IN THE HOLD FOR A MONTH.” Kaylee responds by grinning and giving Mal a kiss on the cheek and saying, “I love my Captain.”

What the fuck is this feminist man trying to say about women here? A black woman calling a white man ‘sir’. A white male captain who abuses and silences his female crew, with no consequences. The women are HAPPY to be abused. They enjoy it. What does this say about women, Joss? What does this say about you? Do you tell your wife to shut up? Do you threaten to duct tape her mouth? Lock her in the bedroom? Is this funny to you, Joss? Because it sure as fuck ain’t funny to me.
So, Joss Whedon refers to rapist/fuckers who buy women as sex, as ‘eager, inexperienced but pleasingly shaped’ who ‘make love’ to women in prostitution. Obviously, ‘love’ to men like Joss Whedon, requires female powerlessness, force and coercion. Women in prostitution enjoy the experience of being bought for sex. They feel ‘motherly’ towards the men who have just treated them as property and bought them as sex.
Her husband, Wash, talking about how he likes to watch her bathe. Let me just say now that I have never personally known of a healthy relationship between a white man and a woman of colour. I have known a black woman whose white husband would strangle and bash her while her young children watched. My white grandfather liked black women because they were ‘exotic’, and he did not, could not treat women, especially women of colour, like human beings. I grew up watching my great aunts, my aunty and my mother all treated like shit by their white husbands, the men they loved. So you will forgive me for believing that the character, Wash, is a rapist and an abuser, particularly considering that he treats Zoe like an object and possession.

I can assure you that this is just the beginning of my rant on Firefly. There is so much more disturbing stuff later in the series. In particular, an episode called Our Mrs. Reynolds, another episode written by Joss, which completely demonises women as well as pornifying male violence against us.

And some responses to comments made by others:
Andrea Dworkin and John Stoltenberg. That would be one that I would call a 'happy, healthy, positive, mutually respectful, mutually loving, heterosexual relationship'. Umm... I'm still thinking. I don't think I could name any others.
I feel awful for Joss Whedon's wife. From what I've read about him and the interviews I've watched, I'm fairly certain that he rapes his wife and abuses her in various other ways. I honestly can't think of anything worse than living with a man like Joss who thinks of women like the way he portrays in his tv shows. How awful. The comment about the money was meant to be about how I personally could see no benefit from being with a man like Joss OTHER than money. Joss uses and abuses her. Probably rapes her and thinks of women as whores etc, etc. Obviously, Ms Whedon has her own reasons for staying. Fear, patriarchal concepts of love, etc. But I would argue that she gives everything and gets nothing. Money is the only concrete thing that she could possibly gain. But as I said money is worth nothing compared with self-integrity, self-esteem, love (sister/lesbian/gynaffectionate love) etc. So she still loses out. Poor woman.

I haven't seen such hilarious non-satirical statements since the last State of the Union speech personally, but maybe I'm wrong and Joss Whedon really does rape his wife and kill kittens or whatever, what do you think?

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  • EchoEcho staring is caring Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited March 2008
    It's like this person didn't even watch Firefly. Yes Mal just loves to abuse women.

    He only keeps River on board to abuse mentally handicapped women.
    Spoiler:

  • Pants ManPants Man Registered User
    edited March 2008
    i don't like whedon, but not because he rapes his wife or anything. although if he does i will probably like him even less

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  • AdrienAdrien Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Stupid people exist on the internet.

    More on this breaking story as it occurs.

    I propose this is a little beyond standard stupid, and pretty funny as well. I am easily amused however.

    I think it's a welcome change. "God hates fags" does start to get old.

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It's like this person didn't even watch Firefly. Yes Mal just loves to abuse women.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to post that quote
    Hmm... Considering I watched the whole series twice, read through every single script, read through Serenity about five times, counted the lines that men spoke and women spoke, then worked for about three weeks trying to write this I think it is interesting that you call me lazy.

    In case you wanted to know, men talked 458 times in the first episode compared to 175 for the women.

    So...yeah.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    It's like this person didn't even watch Firefly. Yes Mal just loves to abuse women.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to post that quote
    Hmm... Considering I watched the whole series twice, read through every single script, read through Serenity about five times, counted the lines that men spoke and women spoke, then worked for about three weeks trying to write this I think it is interesting that you call me lazy.

    In case you wanted to know, men talked 458 times in the first episode compared to 175 for the women.

    So...yeah.

    Well there is only 4 females on the crew, one of which was barely in the first episode let alone speaking.

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  • SpoonySpoony Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If that lj sidepicture is any indication of the author's identity, she has a long history of this type of posting. It's not actually a joke. If the blogger is who I think it is, it's Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff.

    By the way, she's running for president.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    It's like this person didn't even watch Firefly. Yes Mal just loves to abuse women.

    He only keeps River on board to abuse mentally handicapped women.
    Spoiler:

    That's nothing to how much Wash would get abused by Zoe if he tried to get his husbandly-abusin' on.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I think I just got mindfucked against my will.

    Somebody please come watch me bathe until I feel better.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm trying to read this, but this person has no idea what she is talking about, it's as if she didn't even watch the show, just maybe read the script and is going off from what she heard about the show? It's so bad.


    *stabs eyes*

    Edit: Okay wow just go to the part where she is talking about how Mal likes to assert himself as the alpha male and likes to punch people randomly (Simon). D:

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    I've only seen the show a few times, so I'm not really at liberty to comment very much. But damn guys, you have different opinions than someone, we get it.

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  • Pants ManPants Man Registered User
    edited March 2008
    ain't no kind of persecution complex like a batshit crazy persecution complex.


    everytime i see this kind of thing pop up on the internets, be it from an insane anti-men uberfeminist or a conspiracy theorist or a blame the white/black/hispanic man for all of society's ills person, i wonder to myself what in the fuck happened in this person's life to make them think that way. no one just all of a sudden wakes up and decides that dworkin's relationship with her little self hating toadie of an assistant is the only healthy relationship between a man and a woman they've ever heard of.

    either no one ever told this person to stop being a giant fuckhead when they were growing up, or something happened to plant that seed. maybe someone should ask her where all of this started for her.

    "okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Spoony wrote: »
    If that lj sidepicture is any indication of the author's identity, she has a long history of this type of posting. It's not actually a joke. If the blogger is who I think it is, it's Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff.

    By the way, she's running for president.

    No this woman (I'm sorry womyn) is from Australia and only 26 years old.

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pants Man wrote: »
    maybe someone should ask her where all of this started for her.

    Seriously, man. Some dude must have dumped her or something and she was a little bitch and couldn't deal with it.

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  • riven5riven5 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Honestly I can't come up with anything funny to say in response to this. She's funny enough as is. I am eager to continue reading through some affiliated journals. I'm sure they will be spectacular.

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    When there's only eight main characters? Not really.

  • Ghandi 2Ghandi 2 Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Spoony wrote: »
    If that lj sidepicture is any indication of the author's identity, she has a long history of this type of posting. It's not actually a joke. If the blogger is who I think it is, it's Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff.

    By the way, she's running for president.
    No this woman (I'm sorry womyn) is from Australia and only 26 years old.
    I was really hoping that it was her because that would just be another layer of hilarity. Even still, this is funny, thanks.

    Oh, and it's wymyn.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Leitner wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    When there's only eight main characters? Not really.

    Then why are the lines so dominated by men?

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    I've only seen the show a few times, so I'm not really at liberty to comment very much. But damn guys, you have different opinions than someone, we get it.

    I know. I'm of the opinion that I'm not a rapist. Go figure.

  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited March 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    I've only seen the show a few times, so I'm not really at liberty to comment very much. But damn guys, you have different opinions than someone, we get it.

    I know. I'm of the opinion that I'm not a rapist. Go figure.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as to whether or not you're a rapist.

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  • riven5riven5 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    I've only seen the show a few times, so I'm not really at liberty to comment very much. But damn guys, you have different opinions than someone, we get it.

    I know. I'm of the opinion that I'm not a rapist. Go figure.

    That's what all the rapists say.

  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    I've only seen the show a few times, so I'm not really at liberty to comment very much. But damn guys, you have different opinions than someone, we get it.

    Its just really bad how she takes all sort of scenes out of context. For example when she goes off on how the guys like to punch and cause violence randomly using the example of how Mal punches Simon, she totally forgot to add that the reason he is so mad at Simon is because Kaylee (who is a girl dur dur dur) got shot due to a circumstance that Simon caused.

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  • Pants ManPants Man Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    maybe someone should ask her where all of this started for her.

    Seriously, man. Some dude must have dumped her or something and she was a little bitch and couldn't deal with it.


    oh for fuck's sake. she openly states in her blog that she hates men. ALL men. i'm sorry if i don't think that's a rational opinion formed by careful thought and consideration.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Pants Man wrote: »
    maybe someone should ask her where all of this started for her.

    Seriously, man. Some dude must have dumped her or something and she was a little bitch and couldn't deal with it.


    oh for fuck's sake. she openly states in her blog that she hates men. ALL men. i'm sorry if i don't think that's a rational opinion formed by careful thought and consideration.

    I wonder how she feels about super fancy gay dudes.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    When there's only eight main characters? Not really.

    Then why are the lines so dominated by men?

    She only counted the lines from the first episode, I would like to see how it would be like if she counted the whole show or other episodes. The first episode River is introduced late, and can't even form coherent sentences yet, and all the side characters except for one were male.

    If you did it for the Heart of Gold episode for you would most likely have female lines outnumbering the male lines.

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  • ElkiElki hegemon globalSuper Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited March 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    I haven't seen such hilarious non-satirical statements since the last State of the Union speech personally, but maybe I'm wrong and Joss Whedon really does rape his wife and kill kittens or whatever, what do you think?

    I think dumb people on the internet are a dime a dozen.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    When there's only eight main characters? Not really.

    Then why are the lines so dominated by men?

    She only counted the lines from the first episode, I would like to see how it would be like if she counted the whole show or other episodes. The first episode River is introduced late, and can't even form coherent sentences yet, and all the side characters except for one were male.

    If you did it for the Heart of Gold episode for you would most likely have female lines outnumbering the male lines.

    Okay, so it should be a 4:3 ratio then, not a 4:1 - especially if it's the first episode where you want to introduce the main characters and the thrust of the show. Also, all the side characters are male. Chances are that if you did this for most episodes you would find similar data. Male gaze, etc.

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  • GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'd like to see that woman do better keeping a crew of 8 misfits + self alive in the black.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly, you're a writer aren't you? Are you honestly suggesting that a work that does not give equal time to women is inherently misogynistic? Really?

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Leitner wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Sabs, perhaps the fact that there are only four women in itself is something to consider?

    When there's only eight main characters? Not really.

    Then why are the lines so dominated by men?

    She only counted the lines from the first episode, I would like to see how it would be like if she counted the whole show or other episodes. The first episode River is introduced late, and can't even form coherent sentences yet, and all the side characters except for one were male.

    If you did it for the Heart of Gold episode for you would most likely have female lines outnumbering the male lines.

    Okay, so it should be a 4:3 ratio then, not a 4:1 - especially if it's the first episode where you want to introduce the main characters and the thrust of the show. Also, all the side characters are male. Chances are that if you did this for most episodes you would find similar data. Male gaze, etc.

    Not all the side characters are male, but a lot are yea. But with all the side characters in the show its odd how you are connecting the ratio of lines to just the main characters, sure its easier that way but doesnt make it right.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Podly, you're a writer aren't you? Are you honestly suggesting that a work that does not give equal time to women is inherently misogynistic? Really?

    Cause actions speak louder then words.

    Oh wait.

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  • ZimmydoomZimmydoom Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I think Podly might be having some fun with us ITT...

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  • Pants ManPants Man Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    I think Podly might be having some fun with us ITT...

    God i hope so

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Podly, you're a writer aren't you? Are you honestly suggesting that a work that does not give equal time to women is inherently misogynistic? Really?

    No. But four to one, when I am introducing the show and its characters? Sounds like shitty writing, to me.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Also, there are episodes like Out of Gas, where Zoe had her honeymoon.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Podly, you're a writer aren't you? Are you honestly suggesting that a work that does not give equal time to women is inherently misogynistic? Really?

    No. But four to one, when I am introducing the show and its characters? Sounds like shitty writing, to me.
    You've never actually seen an episode, have you?

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it
  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pants Man wrote: »
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    I think Podly might be having some fun with us ITT...

    God i hope so

    I'm clinging to this hope.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Zimmydoom wrote: »
    I think Podly might be having some fun with us ITT...

    Not at all. Just because she has a tremendously radical stance doesn't make her ultimate thesis wrong - that Firefly is a subtle Ideological Manifestation of the misogynistic west.

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  • Beren39Beren39 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Probably one of the most insufferable feminists who's opinion I have had the displeasure of reading. I have to just first state that I am in a healthy relationship as of now and have complete respect for women as equals, and no I do not rape my girlfriend. So in accordance to this extremely misguided man-hater's opinion that sex = evil, I mean, why even continue to propagate our species? Unless we establish an Amazonian society here and now, we might as well just repress that natural urge and let stagnation take it's course, as our continued survival is definitely not worth the price of someone's imagined "rape". What's even more aggravating is the comments posted at the bottom, which are arguably one sided due to her censuring of conflicting opinions (except for the one case of a supposed "pro pornographer"). These comments range from praise of her "well articulated essay" to some pretty vile defamation of Joss's character. Well articulated? As a member of the academic strata I can tell you that in no certain terms is a paper that resorts to such narrow minded opinion, statement of outlandish "facts and probabilities", as well as a resortment to profanity, at all a well articulated article, and is instead a wildly spinning vortex of self hypocrisy that is as far from professional as possible.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Podly, you're a writer aren't you? Are you honestly suggesting that a work that does not give equal time to women is inherently misogynistic? Really?

    No. But four to one, when I am introducing the show and its characters? Sounds like shitty writing, to me.
    You've never actually seen an episode, have you?

    I never knew how good a show's writing was depended on the number of lines.

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Also, there are episodes like Out of Gas, where Zoe had her honeymoon.

    ....yeah..... I don't see how a HONEYMOON episode is a strong case against the argument.

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