Even if you wanted to have a discussion with her, she lives behind closed doors. Earlier it was mentioned that dissent was quickly quashed in her earlier blog, and that's true. Someone disagreed with her about Inara, and she said they were pro-prostitution, and therefore, not allowed to post anything similar ever again.
So you can disagree with her, but if you do, you must agree with her.
Even though you guys are right about this women (I assume so, I guess it could be the world's most dedicated devil's advocate) in that she'll try her best to avoid any dissenting views, I still felt an urge to post in the hopes someone else reading that site would see it:
Ma’am, don’t you feel that you might just be interpreting this differently then Whedon and supporters? Art and media tend to have that sort of variation in reception.
Anyways, I’ve recently found your posting policy and I must say, I find some of the things in it quite contradictory of each other:
“First of all, this journal is for women who have a genuine interest in women’s rights and commitment to sisterhood. Discussion has always been a vital part of the development of the women’s movement. If you disagree with something published here, please don’t hesitate to say so unless your opinions fall under the banned comments section. If you do want to engage me in a discussion about something I have posted on my journal, please treat me with respect. You have every right to disagree, you have every right to tell me how and why, but you do not have the right to insult your own intelligence by attempting to insult mine. I am not easily offended and I will merely have a good laugh at your inanity before deleting your comment. So, don’t be stupid if you actually want your comment to be published.
will not be tolerated on this journal and will be automatically deleted.
I love to have good discussions with other women who do not always agree with me. But I will not allow comments that are insulting, woman-hating or potentially silencing of women.”
You claim that you wish to have discussions with other women (Another strange thing to say? Do men and hermaprodites, if such individuals count as another gender, have nothing to contribute?) whose opinions may vary, but you stated before that any comments that show approval or support for philosophies or ideas that are not approved of by you are automatically deleted. So you want to discuss things with people who don’t agree with you, but only if they agree with you?
Perhaps like this?
Commentator 1: Today is a great day today!
Commentator 2: I disagree, today is moderately pleasant, not great, as you so exaggeratedly suggest.
Commentator 1: But don’t you see, today is great because it’s so perfectly warm and the sun is casting it’s loving and nurturing gaze upon the Earth!
Commentator 3: I don’t think so, I don’t really like days like today, as they-DELETED
Commentator 1: What a fucktard.
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Even if you wanted to have a discussion with her, she lives behind closed doors. Earlier it was mentioned that dissent was quickly quashed in her earlier blog, and that's true. Someone disagreed with her about Inara, and she said they were pro-prostitution, and therefore, not allowed to post anything similar ever again.
So you can disagree with her, but if you do, you must agree with her.
Exactly. Guess my post is redundant.
EDIT Again: Oh god, she actually uses the "word" "Herstory" a few times.
Oh yes, they are Browncoats, not Brownshirts like I posted. Firefly fans are not, and never have been, as a body as opposed to particular individuals, been directly or indirectly affiliated with the National Socialist Party (Nazi) and I apologise for any offence I may have created by mistakenly stating so.
And here I am, never thinking the title would be so relevant to what was being discussed.
But no. That girl actually made all those exact claims. She truly Joss Whedon is actually a racist misogynist who rapes his wife.
That's just... beyond awesome. I'd hate to meet someone like this in real life. It might actually be more uncomfortable than the one time I was confronted by a religious zealot while I was shopping for condoms.
You are mistaking my meaning. You see, Firefly is beloved. The best way to incite internet rage is to make a blog and write those exact things, then partake in glee as everyone acts all offended. I know because we do this exact thing in EVE and it is a common Goon past time with the internet at large.
You are mistaking my meaning. You see, Firefly is beloved. The best way to incite internet rage is to make a blog and write those exact things, then partake in glee as everyone acts all offended. I know because we do this exact thing in EVE and it is a common Goon past time with the internet at large.
The issue, though, is that one of two things have happened.
Either this person is in fact trolling the radical feminist community by pretending to be one of them, or they have in fact failed by attempting to mimic someone to post ridiculous things...But those things are so similar to what the actual person thinks that they weren't even stopped.
So...Yeah. It's either an epic failure or on levels of epic win similar to spontaneously making a bottomless pit appear behind your foe to better replicate the "THIS! IS! SPARTAAAAA!" scene from 300.
I think Whedon comes off as a genuinely well intentioned person, But his work isn't quite as feminist as he thinks it is. Plus he has that stupid womb-envy thing he wrote that's just a silly "opposite = correct" reaction to penis envy.
I don't think that means he's non feminist, though. Or that you know... that he rapes his wife. Christ.
Pretty much this, also the blogger the OP quoted is a whole barrel of crazy. You want level-headed feminismey stuff, stick with Pandagon, Majikthise and maybe Feministe and Hugo Schwyzer. The rest aren't much good most of the time.
I don't think any genuine, well-informed feminists genuinely play the "all sex is rape" angle. The woman it was originally attributed to never actually said it.
Is there a general consensus amongst the "all sex is rape" crowd of what sex isn't rape? I suppose it would have to be female initiated, with female on top? Maybe?
I don't know though, cause I'd still enjoy it, and that might be to domineering.
I don't think any genuine, well-informed feminists genuinely play the "all sex is rape" angle. The woman it was originally attributed to never actually said it.
I don't think any feminists who are actually feminists think that they're going to get any feministing done by accusing men who are willing to listen and attempt to engage the subject of being rapists for making a sci-fi show where a weird girl is a mechanic.
You are mistaking my meaning. You see, Firefly is beloved. The best way to incite internet rage is to make a blog and write those exact things, then partake in glee as everyone acts all offended. I know because we do this exact thing in EVE and it is a common Goon past time with the internet at large.
if you read her livejournal blog, she has made a ton of entries going back for a long ass time about how much she loved buffy and whedon before she realized how anti-women they were (or something). either she's the most dedicated troll ever or she really is that nuts. plus i'd have an easier time being a troll by just pointing out how lame and half-baked firefly was in the first place. or the cowboy bebop/trigun argument.
in any case, it's fun to poke some fun at crazy mean spirited people over the internet
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
I think Whedon comes off as a genuinely well intentioned person, But his work isn't quite as feminist as he thinks it is. Plus he has that stupid womb-envy thing he wrote that's just a silly "opposite = correct" reaction to penis envy.
I don't think that means he's non feminist, though. Or that you know... that he rapes his wife. Christ.
Pretty much this, also the blogger the OP quoted is a whole barrel of crazy. You want level-headed feminismey stuff, stick with Pandagon, Majikthise and maybe Feministe and Hugo Schwyzer. The rest aren't much good most of the time.
After this, I'm rather loathe to call Feministe level-headed. One would think the author might want to read some of the points the commentators are making.
I love how she deletes comments that could potentially silence women.
Thus silencing some men and probably a couple women.
(???)
People whose only knowledge of muted-group theory comes from reading a single abstract because they're too busy having an angry agenda to actually engage the material tend to draw the conclusion that the solution is to try to mute the groups that have the most power to mute their group by essentially locking themselves in a small enough closet as to create a context where they have the only power to mute people. Sadly, once they leave their closet they're just going to get muted faster and in the case of psychobitch here they're going to increase the rate of occurrence of silencing women who voice feminist ideas in any social context of significant size. This is why I say again that the best idea is to stay the fuck out of her little closet.
You know what's scarier than the actual post? Everyone that is agreeing with her. I would have thought she would be drowning in people telling her how wrong she is. Or is she deleting those?
You know what's scarier than the actual post? Everyone that is agreeing with her. I would have thought she would be drowning in people telling her how wrong she is. Or is she deleting those?
She has probably deleted enough of them that people just don't bother posting on her site unless they're the same kind of fucked in the head that she is.
You know what's scarier than the actual post? Everyone that is agreeing with her. I would have thought she would be drowning in people telling her how wrong she is. Or is she deleting those?
It would appear, given her list of issues that garner auto-deletion, that most people that disagree with her have to (by nature) agree with those issues. Can't have dissenting opinion when you stifle freedom.
You know what's scarier than the actual post? Everyone that is agreeing with her. I would have thought she would be drowning in people telling her how wrong she is. Or is she deleting those?
She has probably deleted enough of them that people just don't bother posting on her site unless they're the same kind of fucked in the head that she is.
I'm sure she deletes all of them and cherry-pick-quotes the crazier, more poorly-worded ones to point to and yell "SEE?! I was right! They're all a bunch of inarticulate rapists!"
You know what's scarier than the actual post? Everyone that is agreeing with her. I would have thought she would be drowning in people telling her how wrong she is. Or is she deleting those?
She has probably deleted enough of them that people just don't bother posting on her site unless they're the same kind of fucked in the head that she is.
I'm sure she deletes all of them and cherry-pick-quotes the crazier, more poorly-worded ones to point to and yell "SEE?! I was right! They're all a bunch of inarticulate rapists!"
Unfortunately, with the internet being what it is, whatever the argument being responded to, no matter how vile, someone will make a response involving a) a physical threat b) a sexual slur and c) awful spelling. This one reply will then be quoted triumphantly by the original shit-author.
But see, she really doesn't matter is the thing. Her approach necessarily makes it impossible for her to achieve any of her objectives unless the societal gender-power disparity is actually heavily in favor of women rather than men, which isn't the case and she claims to know this. She pretty much can't have any real impact on anything.
Has Joss ever said why Chinese culture had such a strong influence on the series, but Chinese characters were all but absent from the series? Was there meant to have been some kind of ethnic cleansing at some point in the series' history, or did casting just not work out that way for whatever reason?
Has Joss ever said why Chinese culture had such a strong influence on the series, but Chinese characters were all but absent from the series? Was there meant to have been some kind of ethnic cleansing at some point in the series' history, or did casting just not work out that way for whatever reason?
Probably just casting. I'm normally pretty sensitive to azn issues but there's no need to inject it into a series that has nothing to do with it.
Has Joss ever said why Chinese culture had such a strong influence on the series, but Chinese characters were all but absent from the series? Was there meant to have been some kind of ethnic cleansing at some point in the series' history, or did casting just not work out that way for whatever reason?
Yeah I never thought about it till you brought it up, it's understandable that none of the crew members are asian but neither are none of the side characters from what I remember. It would probably be a casting issue or maybe there was an ethnic cleansing and it was going to be explained later on in the show.
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So you can disagree with her, but if you do, you must agree with her.
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Exactly. Guess my post is redundant.
EDIT Again: Oh god, she actually uses the "word" "Herstory" a few times.
is to duct tape them and throw them in a closet.
And if she were willing to engage over it, I'm sure we'd try to help her. As it is, she's just pretty funny.
Seriously.
Women can't like porn. That's why they're women. Duh.
Clinically insane people are funny.
Well, she's likely incapable of realising that Angelus is meant to be an evil character.
You have to admit it is a good troll. 7 pages in.
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But no. That girl actually made all those exact claims. She truly Joss Whedon is actually a racist misogynist who rapes his wife.
That's just... beyond awesome. I'd hate to meet someone like this in real life. It might actually be more uncomfortable than the one time I was confronted by a religious zealot while I was shopping for condoms.
The issue, though, is that one of two things have happened.
Either this person is in fact trolling the radical feminist community by pretending to be one of them, or they have in fact failed by attempting to mimic someone to post ridiculous things...But those things are so similar to what the actual person thinks that they weren't even stopped.
So...Yeah. It's either an epic failure or on levels of epic win similar to spontaneously making a bottomless pit appear behind your foe to better replicate the "THIS! IS! SPARTAAAAA!" scene from 300.
Pretty much this, also the blogger the OP quoted is a whole barrel of crazy. You want level-headed feminismey stuff, stick with Pandagon, Majikthise and maybe Feministe and Hugo Schwyzer. The rest aren't much good most of the time.
I don't know though, cause I'd still enjoy it, and that might be to domineering.
I don't think any feminists who are actually feminists think that they're going to get any feministing done by accusing men who are willing to listen and attempt to engage the subject of being rapists for making a sci-fi show where a weird girl is a mechanic.
There isn't actually an all sex is rape crowd you see.
Well, that's not quite true. They're just teamkillers, and are a small minority, and aren't generally feminists.
Thus silencing some men and probably a couple women.
(???)
if you read her livejournal blog, she has made a ton of entries going back for a long ass time about how much she loved buffy and whedon before she realized how anti-women they were (or something). either she's the most dedicated troll ever or she really is that nuts. plus i'd have an easier time being a troll by just pointing out how lame and half-baked firefly was in the first place. or the cowboy bebop/trigun argument.
in any case, it's fun to poke some fun at crazy mean spirited people over the internet
Not radical feminism so much as proto-feminism. They haven't quite got there yet.
After this, I'm rather loathe to call Feministe level-headed. One would think the author might want to read some of the points the commentators are making.
People whose only knowledge of muted-group theory comes from reading a single abstract because they're too busy having an angry agenda to actually engage the material tend to draw the conclusion that the solution is to try to mute the groups that have the most power to mute their group by essentially locking themselves in a small enough closet as to create a context where they have the only power to mute people. Sadly, once they leave their closet they're just going to get muted faster and in the case of psychobitch here they're going to increase the rate of occurrence of silencing women who voice feminist ideas in any social context of significant size. This is why I say again that the best idea is to stay the fuck out of her little closet.
She has probably deleted enough of them that people just don't bother posting on her site unless they're the same kind of fucked in the head that she is.
I'm sure she deletes all of them and cherry-pick-quotes the crazier, more poorly-worded ones to point to and yell "SEE?! I was right! They're all a bunch of inarticulate rapists!"
Unfortunately, with the internet being what it is, whatever the argument being responded to, no matter how vile, someone will make a response involving a) a physical threat b) a sexual slur and c) awful spelling. This one reply will then be quoted triumphantly by the original shit-author.
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Probably just casting. I'm normally pretty sensitive to azn issues but there's no need to inject it into a series that has nothing to do with it.
Yeah I never thought about it till you brought it up, it's understandable that none of the crew members are asian but neither are none of the side characters from what I remember. It would probably be a casting issue or maybe there was an ethnic cleansing and it was going to be explained later on in the show.
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