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Democratic Primaries: Pennsylvania, key hellhole state

Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModerator mod
edited April 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Continue your primary talk here.

Now with poll

Current results:

Rasmussen 04/20 - 04/20 722 LV 49 44 Clinton +5.0
Zogby Tracking 04/19 - 04/20 602 LV 48 42 Clinton +6.0
Suffolk 04/19 - 04/20 600 LV 52 42 Clinton +10.0
PPP (D 04/19 - 04/20 2338 LV 46 49 Obama +3.0
Strategic Vision (R) 04/18 - 04/20 LV 48 41 Clinton +7.0
Quinnipiac 04/18 - 04/20 1027 LV 51 44 Clinton +7.0
SurveyUSA 04/18 - 04/20 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
Mason-Dixon 04/17 - 04/18 625 LV 48 43 Clinton +5.0

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    OP fails

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    25 pages to lock?

    It barely had time to breathe

    In primary news, haters be trying to keep the good man down.


    But that shit don't fly

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    susa now has clinton up by 90000 points in inner city philadelphia

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    25 pages to lock?

    It barely had time to breathe

    Will is a threadbortionist.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Wow, just as a huge Clinton hit job gets called for what it is ITT Wil proves himself to be a Hillary supporter! :lol:

    Anyways, I wish people would stop lending Hillary money for the campaign if they know she's in the red and little to no chance of winning. I mean, if I was in her position my bank sure wouldnt give me a loan. :P

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I still stand by my power ranger scenario.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2008
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    25 pages to lock?

    It barely had time to breathe

    Thought you guys might want a poll

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Don't the Clintons have like $100 million laying around?

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2008
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    It's wishful thinking, blind optimism, and all that, but I'm sticking by my earlier prediction (especially in light of the PPP numbers from today):

    Clinton wins by 2 points. The first two days of coverage are about Hillary's defeat of Obama's money machine. The race continues onto NC and Indiana. By Friday evening, newscasts start pointing out that, despite her victory, the delegate math just got much worse for her. By May 1st, Obama finally goes ahead of Clinton in number of superdelegates (he's only behind her by about 25 now).

    On May 6th, Obama wins NC by 13, and Clinton wins Indiana by less than 1 percent. She drops out of the race by May 10th.

    Yes, it's all pure speculation, but gosh darn it, I like it.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

    I'd feel stupid contributing to the campaign of a woman with Hillary's kind of money.

    It's like, "Hey Ms. future billionaire, can I pay for the gas in your hummer?"

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If she only wins Pennsylvania by 2 points then Obama will absolutely rock her in NC.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Why isn't this thread wearing a lapel pin?

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

    I'd feel stupid contributing to the campaign of a woman with Hillary's kind of money.

    It's like, "Hey Ms. future billionaire, can I pay for the gas in your hummer?"

    There's a reason she's not donating any more money to her campaign. As is, unless she manages to win the nomination she's going to take a loss of $5M - no one is going to give her money to pay back that loan to herself. Any of her own money that she puts into the campaign at this point will never be seen again.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2008
    I'm going with the conventional wisdom and predicting Clinton by 10.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2008
    Evander wrote: »
    Why isn't this thread wearing a lapel pin?

    It's bitter.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Evander wrote: »
    Why isn't this thread wearing a lapel pin?

    We lost the pin in the wash.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This thread wants you to judge its patriotism by its actions.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

    I'd feel stupid contributing to the campaign of a woman with Hillary's kind of money.

    It's like, "Hey Ms. future billionaire, can I pay for the gas in your hummer?"

    There's a reason she's not donating any more money to her campaign. As is, unless she manages to win the nomination she's going to take a loss of $5M - no one is going to give her money to pay back that loan to herself. Any of her own money that she puts into the campaign at this point will never be seen again.

    "I'm willing to destroy the Democratic Party to win, but I'll be damned if I sell off some of my stocks and bonds!"

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I was seriously shocked and awed when I heard that question had been asked at that debate.

    But yeah, I honestly don't know how PA will turn out. Hillary isn't as good at pretending to be a "Good Ol' Boy" as she seems to think she is.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If somebody told me they're deciding on who to vote for based on lapel pins, I would seriously have to restrain myself from getting in my car and running them over.

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

    I'd feel stupid contributing to the campaign of a woman with Hillary's kind of money.

    It's like, "Hey Ms. future billionaire, can I pay for the gas in your hummer?"

    There's a reason she's not donating any more money to her campaign. As is, unless she manages to win the nomination she's going to take a loss of $5M - no one is going to give her money to pay back that loan to herself. Any of her own money that she puts into the campaign at this point will never be seen again.

    I'm pretty sure she mentally wrote off that 5 million as lost money, but I'm pretty shocked anyone is doing work for her without cash in hand at this point. She's proven she has no problems letting bills slip unless the debtor goes to the press with it.

    That said, Clinton by 4-8, I'm seeing backlash against the blatant media hits being put out on Obama right now.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I went Clinton 8-12

    If only because that fucking travesty of a debate happened last week when it had no right to

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    If somebody told me they're deciding on who to vote for based on lapel pins, I would seriously have to restrain myself from getting in my car and running them over.

    Put a support our troops magnet and at least 1 flag sticker for every 300lbs of car body weight first.

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Alas, Primary thread, cut down in the prime of youth...

    It's hard to believe there's only one day left before this primary. It feels like it's been going on forever.

    Sal on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I almost went Clinton 12-16, but settled for 8-12.

    Of course, I'm a pessimist.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I almost went Clinton 12-16, but settled for 8-12.

    Of course, I'm a pessimist.

    These kids just don't appreciate the inevitability of DOOM like we do.

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  • SavantSavant Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I don't see why you guys think double digits is so likely. Even the external polls have it a lot closer than that.

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Oh, and I voted Clinton 4-8.

    Because I have hope.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Like personal wealth? Probably. Hillary's primary budget is shrinking though, owing to the fact that she's relied upon big donors who maxed out early.

    I'd feel stupid contributing to the campaign of a woman with Hillary's kind of money.

    It's like, "Hey Ms. future billionaire, can I pay for the gas in your hummer?"

    There's a reason she's not donating any more money to her campaign. As is, unless she manages to win the nomination she's going to take a loss of $5M - no one is going to give her money to pay back that loan to herself. Any of her own money that she puts into the campaign at this point will never be seen again.

    "I'm willing to destroy the Democratic Party to win, but I'll be damned if I sell off some of my stocks and bonds!"

    Oh god, I would love to see some bloggers start talking about Hillary putting her money where her mouth is, and having the MSM pick it up.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    Alas, Primary thread, cut down in the prime of youth...

    It's hard to believe there's only one day left before this primary. It feels like it's been going on forever.

    Yeah.

    We were in the Pennsylvania stretch when the Reverend Wright thing broke.

    That feels like ages ago.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I am filled with pessimism and resignation. Please prove me wrong, PA.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I don't see why you guys think double digits is so likely. Even the external polls have it a lot closer than that.
    It's really about who the undecideds will break for.

    Not Obama.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I wonder if there might be a certain number of Hillary supporters that might vote Obama not because they dislike Hillary, but because they honestly want the primary to be over, and have accepted the cold hard truth of the delegate math.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    I almost went Clinton 12-16, but settled for 8-12.

    Of course, I'm a pessimist.
    These kids just don't appreciate the inevitability of DOOM like we do.
    Pretty much.

    I spent the weekend in Portland registering Obama voters, though.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Aw shit, I meant Clinton 8 - 12, not 4 - 8.

    Really I just mean 8.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I don't see why you guys think double digits is so likely. Even the external polls have it a lot closer than that.
    Because the first two presidential elections I voted in were 2000 and 2004.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited April 2008
    Savant wrote: »
    I don't see why you guys think double digits is so likely. Even the external polls have it a lot closer than that.

    Basically, I predict most of the "undecideds" going to Hillary. It's always hard to assess late-deciders, but it's generally a safe bet that they're low-information voters who will tend to vote along the lines of very very early polling (which was heavily Hillary).

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So aside from the oh so republican ad (Osama? REALLY?), her campaign is chiding Obama about how bad it is when you apply the Kitchen Sink strategy.

    Projection, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT.

    This is a sitcom. Some form of really amazing and subtle live action comedy. Right?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I have a horse, cape and mask, and a scythe made from melted down flag pins on standby.

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