I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Is anyone here saying that undecideds shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I'm pretty sure we're just saying that we find them offensive.
Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Because that SOMETHIGN is very likely to be "which name do I recognize more" or "who has better hair" or "who would I rather be at a BBQ with". Not saying that it's completely impossible for someone to make a last-minute decision premised on relevant issues, only that it's statistically very unlikely. Even folks who decide early often make their choices based on spurious issues - voting for Clinton because she has ovaries, voting for Obama because he's black, voting for McCain because he fought in a war.
A high number of last-minute deciders don't even really think about the issue until their hand is poised over the punch-card. Those people are fuckos and contribute nothing but noise. Worse, they perpetuate establishment politics by coming down heavily in favor of the incumbent or more popular name.
too bad both parties heavily rely on these people to win elections
honestly i don't give a fuck if people vote based on looks, gender, race, what shoes the person wears, whatever. in America, every moron gets a vote, and at a certain point it's really really REALLY hard to prove that someone is less informed than you just because they don't agree with you politically.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
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Wait, did I really read right past a "hey, this chick only votes for jews!" remark? Because that really makes undecided voters seem like informed people who are contributing to a logical choice for the nation and themselves.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
"Shouldn't vote" is a personal opinion that is nowhere near as far as "should be denied the ability to vote"
You Shouldn't vote at a board meeting at your company where you have not actually read any proposals. You still CAN, but being uninformed you probably Shouldn't.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Who here is saying that idiots should be denied the right to vote?
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
Wait, did I really read right past a "hey, this chick only votes for jews!" remark? Because that really makes undecided voters seem like informed people who are contributing to a logical choice for the nation and themselves.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
You totally threw your grandmother under a bus in this thread.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
Agreed, though I think if we happened to wind up in a system where only relatively informed people voted, and did so based on relevant issues, it wouldn't exactly be a tragedy.
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Wait, did I really read right past a "hey, this chick only votes for jews!" remark? Because that really makes undecided voters seem like informed people who are contributing to a logical choice for the nation and themselves.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
You totally threw your grandmother under a bus in this thread.
She'd still appear in a campaign ad for me if I needed her to.
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The reason we hate undecideds is, like was said, most of them don't have the slightest clue about any of it and will go into the booth and vote anyways.
You can decide on a candidate, and then change your mind and decide on another, and keep evaluating your position and never at any point be undecided.
Basically the point is retarded monkeys would be better voters than people who are still undecided on election day.
The point is that you're all acting like a bunch of idiotic elitists.
Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Could you please point to where any of us said they don't have the right to vote?
And their reasons are less valid because their reasons are fucking stupid. This is an objective fact: when you're voting based on "oh, I think I recognize that name, and that other name sounds kinda like a terrist," you're a fucking idiot.
The name recognition thing is a strawman. Where are the polls where the undecided voters state that they will either vote for the most familiar name, or the one that looks theleast like a terrorist?
Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Because that SOMETHIGN is very likely to be "which name do I recognize more" or "who has better hair" or "who would I rather be at a BBQ with". Not saying that it's completely impossible for someone to make a last-minute decision premised on relevant issues, only that it's statistically very unlikely. Even folks who decide early often make their choices based on spurious issues - voting for Clinton because she has ovaries, voting for Obama because he's black, voting for McCain because he fought in a war.
A high number of last-minute deciders don't even really think about the issue until their hand is poised over the punch-card. Those people are fuckos and contribute nothing but noise. Worse, they perpetuate establishment politics by coming down heavily in favor of the incumbent or more popular name.
too bad both parties heavily rely on these people to win elections
honestly i don't give a fuck if people vote based on looks, gender, race, what shoes the person wears, whatever. in America, every moron gets a vote, and at a certain point it's really really REALLY hard to prove that someone is less informed than you just because they don't agree with you politically.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
Yeah they do. It's really too bad and probably the central factor in our politics sucking. Basically, 80% of the electorate is already going to vote one way or another based upon party identification. Another 10% will be swayed on issues and triangulation of policy. The last 10% are persuaded by ads. It really leverages low-information voters and makes our politics much stupider than it needs to be.
Now, I don't know what, if anything, could be done about this. Maybe better civics instruction in high-schools?
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Who here is saying that idiots should be denied the right to vote?
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
The implication being that we are arguing to disallow people from voting.
Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Because that SOMETHIGN is very likely to be "which name do I recognize more" or "who has better hair" or "who would I rather be at a BBQ with". Not saying that it's completely impossible for someone to make a last-minute decision premised on relevant issues, only that it's statistically very unlikely. Even folks who decide early often make their choices based on spurious issues - voting for Clinton because she has ovaries, voting for Obama because he's black, voting for McCain because he fought in a war.
A high number of last-minute deciders don't even really think about the issue until their hand is poised over the punch-card. Those people are fuckos and contribute nothing but noise. Worse, they perpetuate establishment politics by coming down heavily in favor of the incumbent or more popular name.
too bad both parties heavily rely on these people to win elections
honestly i don't give a fuck if people vote based on looks, gender, race, what shoes the person wears, whatever. in America, every moron gets a vote, and at a certain point it's really really REALLY hard to prove that someone is less informed than you just because they don't agree with you politically.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
Once again, the past eight years come into play. While I understand that it's every idiot's right to go out and vote based on lapel pins, at some point you have to look at this and go "Man what the fuck this is not right"
The reason we hate undecideds is, like was said, most of them don't have the slightest clue about any of it and will go into the booth and vote anyways.
You can decide on a candidate, and then change your mind and decide on another, and keep evaluating your position and never at any point be undecided.
Basically the point is retarded monkeys would be better voters than people who are still undecided on election day.
The point is that you're all acting like a bunch of idiotic elitists.
Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Are you honestly talking up the line that "all motivations for voting are equally laudable," Evander?
Because that's idiotic.
And really if the only thing a voter is going off of when the place their vote is passive exposure to campaign advertisements, I feel okay in calling them uninformed and shirking their public duty.
I'm not saying all motivations are just as good; I'm saying that there is no such thing as "the right motvation".
My grandmother used to vote for candidates with Jewish sounding names, on thebasis that they'd be more likely tohave her same values. As dishonest as politicians tend to be at election time, I can't really see any reason why her method was wrong.
Why do I have the feeling that if someone said that they were voting for people with the least-Jewish sounding names because they wanted someone who shared their values, you wouldn't be anywhere near as okay with that?
Wait, did I really read right past a "hey, this chick only votes for jews!" remark? Because that really makes undecided voters seem like informed people who are contributing to a logical choice for the nation and themselves.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
You totally threw your grandmother under a bus in this thread.
She'd still appear in a campaign ad for me if I needed her to.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
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Undecided folks have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Obviously SOMETHIGN will puch them overthe edge in one direction or the other, so why is that reason any less valid than your reasons for voting one way or another?
Because that SOMETHIGN is very likely to be "which name do I recognize more" or "who has better hair" or "who would I rather be at a BBQ with". Not saying that it's completely impossible for someone to make a last-minute decision premised on relevant issues, only that it's statistically very unlikely. Even folks who decide early often make their choices based on spurious issues - voting for Clinton because she has ovaries, voting for Obama because he's black, voting for McCain because he fought in a war.
A high number of last-minute deciders don't even really think about the issue until their hand is poised over the punch-card. Those people are fuckos and contribute nothing but noise. Worse, they perpetuate establishment politics by coming down heavily in favor of the incumbent or more popular name.
too bad both parties heavily rely on these people to win elections
honestly i don't give a fuck if people vote based on looks, gender, race, what shoes the person wears, whatever. in America, every moron gets a vote, and at a certain point it's really really REALLY hard to prove that someone is less informed than you just because they don't agree with you politically.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
Yeah they do. It's really too bad and probably the central factor in our politics sucking. Basically, 80% of the electorate is already going to vote one way or another based upon party identification. Another 10% will be swayed on issues and triangulation of policy. The last 10% are persuaded by ads. It really leverages low-information voters and makes our politics much stupider than it needs to be.
Now, I don't know what, if anything, could be done about this. Maybe better civics instruction in high-schools?
It'd be nice if more people voted period to sort of wash out the die hard ignorant partisans. Each political party generally has 1/3rd of the vote sewed up. (better for Dem's now, thanks to obvious factors) At least that way it's 30% of morons deciding rather than 10-20%. You might be able to get more competitive districts just from the insanity. Which would be good for Washington.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Who here is saying that idiots should be denied the right to vote?
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
The implication being that we are arguing to disallow people from voting.
That wasn't my implication. I'm sorry if you read that in to it on your own.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Who here is saying that idiots should be denied the right to vote?
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
In the bolded bit. You apparently think someone wants to deny people the right to vote, as opposed to saying last minute voters going off of names are making stupid choices.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
Wait, did I really read right past a "hey, this chick only votes for jews!" remark? Because that really makes undecided voters seem like informed people who are contributing to a logical choice for the nation and themselves.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
You totally threw your grandmother under a bus in this thread.
She'd still appear in a campaign ad for me if I needed her to.
Once again, the past eight years come into play. While I understand that it's every idiot's right to go out and vote based on lapel pins, at some point you have to look at this and go "Man what the fuck this is not right"
that's your opinion though, and you're entitled to it. there were people saying that with the same conviction and certainty about pretty much every "past eight years," and they're entitled to their opinion too.
i'm not trying to argue that bush is a sweet ass president or even an average one, i'm just saying you can't say "yeah but look our country is totally going to hell in a handbasket don't you see" because someone is ALWAYS saying that.
You will NEVER see me saying that anti-semites shouldn't be allowed to vote based on their views. I may find their views offensive, but they have every right to hold them.
Who here is saying that idiots should be denied the right to vote?
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
In the bolded bit. You apparently think someone wants to deny people the right to vote, as opposed to saying last minute voters going off of names are making stupid choices.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
It has to do with the lack of any sort of real "anti-non-jew" movement out there.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
That would probably meet definition of an anti-semite, or a drunk Mel Gibson. But I repeat myself.
Once again, the past eight years come into play. While I understand that it's every idiot's right to go out and vote based on lapel pins, at some point you have to look at this and go "Man what the fuck this is not right"
that's your opinion though, and you're entitled to it. there were people saying that with the same conviction and certainty about pretty much every "past eight years," and they're entitled to their opinion too.
i'm not trying to argue that bush is a sweet ass president or even an average one, i'm just saying you can't say "yeah but look our country is totally going to hell in a handbasket don't you see" because someone is ALWAYS saying that.
Well yeah but look at his (and the rest of the Administration's) numbers in almost every poll over the past, oh, six years. You can play the "someone is always saying that" card but in this case it actually seems more truth than opinion.
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
Well, if I was ignorant and was obsessively worried about anti-semitism and was trying to pick a person I thought least likely to be an anti-semite, I'd probably pick someone with a Jewish surname.
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Once again, the past eight years come into play. While I understand that it's every idiot's right to go out and vote based on lapel pins, at some point you have to look at this and go "Man what the fuck this is not right"
that's your opinion though, and you're entitled to it. there were people saying that with the same conviction and certainty about pretty much every "past eight years," and they're entitled to their opinion too.
i'm not trying to argue that bush is a sweet ass president or even an average one, i'm just saying you can't say "yeah but look our country is totally going to hell in a handbasket don't you see" because someone is ALWAYS saying that.
Well yeah but look at his (and the rest of the Administration's) numbers in almost every poll over the past, oh, six years. You can play the "someone is always saying that" card but in this case it actually seems more truth than opinion.
public perception ≠ reality
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"okay byron, my grandma has a right to be happy, so i give you my blessing. just... don't get her pregnant. i don't need another mom."
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
It has to do with the lack of any sort of real "anti-non-jew" movement out there.
Are you fucking shitting me?
You just fucking described how your grandmother votes for the most Jewish-sounding candidate, but there's no "anti-non-Jew" movement?
I guess if there weren't a KKK or Neo-nazis, there wouldn't be any racism in the country either, right? Because unless you've got a group you can define it under, it can't exist?
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
Well, if I was ignorant and was obsessively worried about anti-semitism and was trying to pick a person I thought least likely to be an anti-semite, I'd probably pick someone with a Jewish surname.
Which is how the rest of us end up with Lieberman, and again goes back to the idea that undecided voters, and by extension uninformed voters, are a giant pimple on the ass of democracy.
As far as Evanders grandmother goes... she's not an undecided voter... it's just that her decision is stupid and uninformed.
And I would also like to point out the irony of Evander calling anyone an elitist.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
I suppose you'd also laud the motivations of some who always voted against the Jewish-sounding name because seriously those Jews are trying to take over the world what with their money and sinister connections and shit.
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
I like how the automatic assumption there is that the person who doesn't share "Jewish values" is automatically an anti-semite, but the person who does is somehow not anti-non-Jews.
It has to do with the lack of any sort of real "anti-non-jew" movement out there.
Are you fucking shitting me?
You just fucking described how your grandmother votes for the most Jewish-sounding candidate, but there's no "anti-non-Jew" movement?
I guess if there weren't a KKK or Neo-nazis, there wouldn't be any racism in the country either, right? Because unless you've got a group you can define it under, it can't exist?
"voted", not "votes" She passed away about 16 years ago.
And you're being a total idiot with this. I didn't say that she declined to vote when there were no Jews to vote for, or disliked non-Jews, or any other such meshugas. The fact that she wanted to vote for her own people DOES NOT mean that she had any negative feelings towards other peoples.
I sure hope you're just as vitriolic with anyone who is voting for Clinton based on Gender, accusing them of wanting to force men into burkhas, and comparing their choices with female circumcision.
And I would also like to point out the irony of Evander calling anyone an elitist.
o_O
Dude, your signature is a quote of someone agreeing with you.
Even on the most meta level that is asinine
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Antisemitism aside Evander, who is it that said people shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Cause I feel that's the more important subject here.
No one said that, and I never accused anyone of saying that.
You said you don't agree with racist voters, but wouldn't deny them the right to vote.
Others said the same thing about undecided voters.
Since everyone's saying the same thing about people who vote based on something that has nothing to do with the actual views and capabilities of the candidate himself or herself, you have no basis for disagreement unless you believe we said something different about our feelings regarding undecideds.
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Is anyone here saying that undecideds shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I'm pretty sure we're just saying that we find them offensive.
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too bad both parties heavily rely on these people to win elections
honestly i don't give a fuck if people vote based on looks, gender, race, what shoes the person wears, whatever. in America, every moron gets a vote, and at a certain point it's really really REALLY hard to prove that someone is less informed than you just because they don't agree with you politically.
so whatever. bring it on, i'd much rather live in a democracy where every brain dead dumbass gets a vote, regardless of opinion and thought process, than in a democracy where we try and parse the electorate down based upon how informed we think they are.
Be careful before treading on the good name of my sainted grandmother...
You Shouldn't vote at a board meeting at your company where you have not actually read any proposals. You still CAN, but being uninformed you probably Shouldn't.
Where did I say anything them being denied a vote?
You totally threw your grandmother under a bus in this thread.
Agreed, though I think if we happened to wind up in a system where only relatively informed people voted, and did so based on relevant issues, it wouldn't exactly be a tragedy.
She'd still appear in a campaign ad for me if I needed her to.
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Yeah they do. It's really too bad and probably the central factor in our politics sucking. Basically, 80% of the electorate is already going to vote one way or another based upon party identification. Another 10% will be swayed on issues and triangulation of policy. The last 10% are persuaded by ads. It really leverages low-information voters and makes our politics much stupider than it needs to be.
Now, I don't know what, if anything, could be done about this. Maybe better civics instruction in high-schools?
The implication being that we are arguing to disallow people from voting.
Once again, the past eight years come into play. While I understand that it's every idiot's right to go out and vote based on lapel pins, at some point you have to look at this and go "Man what the fuck this is not right"
But why is she holding a chicken in that photo?
To be fair, there's a bit of a difference between a Jew voting for another Jew because she thinks it will necessarily advance overlooked Jew-issues and voting for a non-Jew in order to keep those goldurned kikes outta the government, even if both actions are pretty stupid.
It'd be nice if more people voted period to sort of wash out the die hard ignorant partisans. Each political party generally has 1/3rd of the vote sewed up. (better for Dem's now, thanks to obvious factors) At least that way it's 30% of morons deciding rather than 10-20%. You might be able to get more competitive districts just from the insanity. Which would be good for Washington.
That wasn't my implication. I'm sorry if you read that in to it on your own.
Because my grandfather was a chicken farmer.
that's your opinion though, and you're entitled to it. there were people saying that with the same conviction and certainty about pretty much every "past eight years," and they're entitled to their opinion too.
i'm not trying to argue that bush is a sweet ass president or even an average one, i'm just saying you can't say "yeah but look our country is totally going to hell in a handbasket don't you see" because someone is ALWAYS saying that.
yeah, they said that in the 1980's. thanks to A Nation At Risk, now we have NCLB and state mandated content to teach students. hooray.
Also, this:
It's not like we have to read too deep between the lines, there, to pick up on that implication.
It has to do with the lack of any sort of real "anti-non-jew" movement out there.
That would probably meet definition of an anti-semite, or a drunk Mel Gibson. But I repeat myself.
Well yeah but look at his (and the rest of the Administration's) numbers in almost every poll over the past, oh, six years. You can play the "someone is always saying that" card but in this case it actually seems more truth than opinion.
Well, if I was ignorant and was obsessively worried about anti-semitism and was trying to pick a person I thought least likely to be an anti-semite, I'd probably pick someone with a Jewish surname.
public perception ≠ reality
You just fucking described how your grandmother votes for the most Jewish-sounding candidate, but there's no "anti-non-Jew" movement?
I guess if there weren't a KKK or Neo-nazis, there wouldn't be any racism in the country either, right? Because unless you've got a group you can define it under, it can't exist?
Which is how the rest of us end up with Lieberman, and again goes back to the idea that undecided voters, and by extension uninformed voters, are a giant pimple on the ass of democracy.
As far as Evanders grandmother goes... she's not an undecided voter... it's just that her decision is stupid and uninformed.
And I would also like to point out the irony of Evander calling anyone an elitist.
"voted", not "votes" She passed away about 16 years ago.
And you're being a total idiot with this. I didn't say that she declined to vote when there were no Jews to vote for, or disliked non-Jews, or any other such meshugas. The fact that she wanted to vote for her own people DOES NOT mean that she had any negative feelings towards other peoples.
I sure hope you're just as vitriolic with anyone who is voting for Clinton based on Gender, accusing them of wanting to force men into burkhas, and comparing their choices with female circumcision.
o_O
Cause I feel that's the more important subject here.
Dude, your signature is a quote of someone agreeing with you.
Even on the most meta level that is asinine
No one said that, and I never accused anyone of saying that.
Drez and I basically never agree about anything. He said it once, and I stuck it down there because it amuses me.
I didn't. Go read what I ACTUALLY said.
You said you don't agree with racist voters, but wouldn't deny them the right to vote.
Others said the same thing about undecided voters.
Since everyone's saying the same thing about people who vote based on something that has nothing to do with the actual views and capabilities of the candidate himself or herself, you have no basis for disagreement unless you believe we said something different about our feelings regarding undecideds.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
While perfectly factual, it also implies that someone was suggesting the opposite.