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New Oklahoma Abortion Law: Going Too Far
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I'm not denying any of that; just saying there's some additional causes too. Abortion isn't a necessary evil though, since it's not necessarily an evil.
I'm pretty sure they do. Forcing people to do something isn't intrinsically negative.
I also consider hiring an exterminator to be a necessary evil, if it helps you to understand what I'm saying.
I am 100% pro-choice, but I think it does the pro-choice movement a disservice to deny that an abortion involves killing a thing. When you ignore ugly or inconvenient truths, you just give your enemies more to attack.
When you recognize them, and explain why they ultimately don't make a difference, then you leave them without those arguments.
Yeah, but what's wrong with killing a thing? I don't agree that cockroaches exterminators are evil.
I didn't say that the person doing the exterminating is evil.
I said that the act of killing is evil. And JUST the act.
An evil that is sometimes necessary.
Why is killing evil? How do you even define evil?
I define evil rather vaguely, I'll admit, but killing is evil because it is a harmful thing that absolutely cannot be undone.
As far as science can show us, you only have one life, and that's it.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
Right, that's how I see it, too. So it really hasn't got any objective basis and doesn't really mean anything in the context of an abortion debate. At least, that's how I see it.
Indeed. "What is evil" is a question for a separate thread.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
Regardless, like I said, I doubt they see this as forcing women to do things. They don't see themselves as "forcing" a woman to have a baby, or to undergo whatever is determined to be required medical procedure in performing an abortion. They see getting pregnant and subsequently having an abortion as two things she can choose or not choose.
The only "force" that I think enters into the head of an anti-abortionist is in what they can enforce upon a doctor who performs hypothetically illegal practices. I honestly don't believe they see themselves as "forcing" women to have babies. Having sex and subsequent biological forces do that. I think this is an important part of the mindset to understand.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers
People can find any reason to justify their beliefs/actions.
So not-hard to follow, in fact, that no information coming from this semantic argument is new to anyone.
Drunks Against Mad Mothers