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Corn Ethanol: Now Things Are Just Getting Stupid
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So other than the EPA declaring it illegal to run your old diesel engine on waste veggie oil, does anyone know of a reason why its not a viable option?
In other words, it'll work for the early adopters, but not for the later ones.
I really don't like the people who run their cars of vegetable oil - everything they post seems smug about the idea that they're green, when the reality is there is no way in hell it's actually remotely practical for everyone.
They're also still burning hydrocarbons.
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What pisses me off about this is that the same people who are now saying it's a bad idea are the people who were saying it was a good idea years ago, when folks were telling them "hey, this isn't the way to go" and the ones for ethanol were calling everyone fools and puppets of big oil. Part of me is saddened. Part of me is just shrugging about people finally reaping what they've sown.
Whenever I see people running on waste veggie oil, I see them going from restaraunt to restaraunt asking for their waste oil... the restaraunts aren't really charging for it. However, if you figure in the whole supply chain of having to make the veggies, render the oil, fry up some taters, store it for transport, and have the guy run a still in his backyard (you still have to refine it again), there's a hell of a lot of raw material, labor, transport and energy there that you're putting in for a few gallons of usable fuel.
They'll get theirs eventually, when it becomes harder and harder to find waste oils because other people have beaten them to the punch. Of course, the worst offenders are the people who set up equipment to make their own biofuels at home using subsidized crops. Subsidized so that people can use it for food, and not so that people can literally burn it away using extremely inefficient methods.
Yeah, but the carbon was removed from the air in the first place, so the net effect is zero. Moreover, what else would you do with that? I mean, waste oil becomes rancid, and prone to bacteria/pests/vermin. It also clogs up pipes and sewers.
Posts like this make me wish I could afford a Tesla Roadster.
Yeah but that doesn't count anyway, because otherwise its just waste.
The thing is, you should maximize biodeisel enough for waste disposal, but no more than that. And you want to avoid a situation where people have to race from fast food joint to fast food joint for their latest fix.
depends on where you live. Toronto for example has a hydrogen fuel station that is exclusively wind powered, and if the use of hydrogen in expanded then the power used will still come mainly from nuclear powerplants, so all in all it will be nearly entirely emission free, both internal and external. Comparatively speaking of course.
Of course not. Sure, one asshole can do it, but for everyone to do it?
How many french fries are we going to eat, anyway?
Damn you humanity, grow a fucking brain.
Im right there with ya.
Its gonna be about a year before I can build enough credit for one. And last time I checked, there is a 2 year waiting list.
Great thing is, once you actually do get an electric car, you can install a solar panel on your garage to recharge the damn thing then wear a T-shirt that says OPEC can suck my balls
Honestly?
Most people don't understand the laws of thermodynamics. They don't understand why you can't get energy from nothing, and that energy always has to come from somewhere. And the fact that plants are ridiculously inefficient at processing isn't exactly common knowledge. If it weren't for Tesla Motors, I wouldn't even have known. Remember, we live in a country where the majority of the population doesn't accept the theory of evolution.
Hopefully, the recent food shortages will motivate people to contact their representatives. Most people don't use ethanol, but everyone has to eat food.
Yeah, pretty much.
The worst part, is that because of the whole corn ethanol craze, we're currently facing a corn shortage. A fucking CORN shortage. D:
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It's such a small segment of the population, that their contributions are negligible anyway. I just don't think it's a good argument in certain contexts (i.e. when talking with anti-environmentalist Republicans like Inhofe).
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Yeah, but there's a slight difference between returning the atmosphere to the state it was in a year ago, and returning it to the state it was in when it was a toxic and uninhabitable molten orb.
It's too bad special interests are standing in the way.
This is exactly true.
I often bring up thermodynamics in conversation, my policy is that if you had to choose just one subset of physics to know something about, choose thermodynamics. Because thermodynamics will greatly increase your understanding of how practical things work around you, especially relating to technology and energy.
I wish it wasn't called "thermodynamics"; its a very technical sounding word and people tend to glaze over as soon as they hear it. This is despite it being a field of physics that is actually very accessible to a layman; you dont need any math to understand the basic principals of conservation of energy, or how heat engines work. Oh well, people still get sucked in by "free energy" machines. I guess expecting a minimum of competence is too much to ask.
I sort of knew that would be your response, which was why I specified "in certain contexts". :lol:
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