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[SPOILERS in TAGS] MGS4: Guns Of The Patriots - "I'm no hero..."

IgortIgort Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Games and Technology
WARNING! METAL GEAR SPOILERS AHEAD!
Accualt wrote: »
We have SPOILER TAGS. Use them.
Same rules as with Halo 3, GTAIV, Mass Effect, etc. One thread, spoilers go in spoiler tags. You post spoilers outside of the tags and you get infracted or banned depending on how much we hate you.


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A LEGENDARY HERO.
A FINAL MISSION.
THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots is the upcoming "tactical espionage action" game from Kojima Productions. It is being released simultaneously worldwide on June 12th, and will be the final chapter in the Metal Gear Saga, which started with Metal Gear on the MSX in 1987.

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FAQ

What's the big deal?

Without sounding too much like a "fanboy", Metal Gear is at the forefront of cinematic gaming. With often over-the-top plots and characters, and incredibly dramatic cut-scenes, many people are drawn into the chaotic world of Metal Gear.

"Over-the-top"?

Yeah. There's a guy who fights (and defeats) nuclear equipped walking battle tanks, another guy who died, but lives on through another guy's arm, and this other guy who shoots bees out of his mouth.

Well, what's the story for MGS4 then?
Set in 2014, five years after the "Big Shell Incident", MGS4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes. Nanotechnology has become prominent, both to enhance the capabilities and enforce the loyalty of mercenaries. The five largest of these PMCs are owned by a single mother company named Outer Heaven, which is operated by Liquid Ocelot. Amassing an army whose manpower rivals that of the United States, Liquid prepares to launch an armed insurrection. With the world once again in crisis, a rapidly aging and disillusioned Solid Snake is deployed into the Middle East by Roy Campbell to terminate Liquid. MGS4 will take place in five locations throughout the world, including the Middle East, South America and Eastern Europe.

What about the game play?

Game play is focused on Stealth, with a small hint of action, hence "Tactical Espionage Action". Basically, Metal Gear was created from the philosophy of "advance, without being seen by the enemy". If you're spotted, you'll more than likely find yourself completely surrounded, and will have to hide until things blow over. There are also many bosses scattered through-out each game. This game is similar, but instead of infiltrating an enemy complex, you'll be infiltrating a battlefield, with a war raging around you in real-time. Taking the camo system from MGS3 a step further, Snake is equipped with Octo-Camo which allows him to copy patterns and textures from any surface he comes into contact with. The game also features revised controls to compensate for the fact that this is set in a battlefield, making action sequences much easier.

What else is new?

The "Drebin Points" system, which is similar to that creepy merchant guy from Resident Evil 4. Basically, during gameplay, you can disarm enemies and take their weapon. Doing so earns you Drebin Points which you can use to buy new weapons, as well as additional extras for guns you already have (such as sticking a grenade launcher onto the front of a rifle, as seen in the first MGS4 trailer).

How many games are there in the series?

As far as "canon" is concerned, there are eight games in the series. However games like Metal Gear Ac!d, and Metal Gear: Ghost Babel are non-canon.

The games in the series, in chronological order, are:

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid Mobile
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons Of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots

Some are more important than others. For instance, Metal Gear Solid Mobile as it stands, has very little bearing on the over all plot, and the original Metal Gear games have pretty much been ret-conned to oblivion. You can get away with just playing MGS1, 2 & 3, but a lot of people would also recommend Portable Ops.

Will this game be easy on the "newbies"?

Game play wise, it'll probably be like MGS2 which chucked players into the deep end as soon as it began with very little explanation of the controls. Storyline wise, I've heard the game is not made with new players in mind. PSM3 magazine said that "roughly 70%" will fly right over the heads of newcomers.

Oh, well is there an easy way to catch up?

Yes. In America, you can purchase the "Metal Gear Solid: Essential Collection". I'm not American, so I'm not sure on prices, but I hear it's damn good value for money. It comes with Metal Gear Solid on 2 PS1 discs (meaning you'll have to pick up a PS1 Memory Card from somewhere, unless you have a PS3) and Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3 on two separate PS2 discs. Metal Gear Solid is also available on the Japanese Playstation Store and should hopefully be making it's way to the American one soon.

But I don't have a PS3... Lucky it's coming to the X-Box 360, huh?

Haha. Don't get your hopes up. Aside from the fact that Snake uses a SIXAXIS controller in game to control Metal Gear Mk. II (his little robo-buddy), but another character is seen using a PSP at some points. Also, Hideo Kojima himself has said that he's "fed up of being asked" about a 360 port. No PS3, No MGS4.

That's a shame... Guess I'll have to get a PS3 then..

If you really want MGS4, yes. Luckily, there's going to be a bundle released around the same time as MGS4.
...which will include an 80GB PS3, the upcoming blockbuster Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and a DUALSHOCK 3 wireless controller for $499.99 (MSRP).

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There will even be a limited "gun metal grey" colored PS3 announced at some point. It already sold out incredibly fast over in Japan, so if you want one, you'll need to be quick.

Any Special or Limited Editions?

Yes. In America there will be a Limited Edition (box art pictured above) which will be exclusive to Gamestop for $84.99. It comes with an exclusive Artbook, Making of Blu-Ray, and the soundtrack. See it here.

And in the UK there will be a limited edition which is exclusive to PLAY.com for £79.99. It comes with a 6" Old Snake figure, Making of Blu-Ray and the soundtrack. See it here.

Can I see some screenshots?

You can see some here. Be warned though, if you've been steering clear of the trailers so as to have a pure experience on June 12th, I'd suggest not clicking that link, as there's a couple of pretty big "spoilers" right there on the first page.

[strike]I want to warn people again that there will be massive untagged spoilers for the series of Metal Gear games in this thread, however we will not tolerate MGS4 spoilers in any capacity. Please be considerate as there are people out there who have been on a media blackout of this game for a long time, but still want to discuss the series, and other aspects of the game outside of the story. And there are some of us who have been waiting for this game for nearly seven years now.[/strike]

apotheos edit: I'd like to clarify that on the eve of the game being released, spoilers for the game are now permitted. Any sane individual on an actual spoiler blackout knows to fuck off and leave the "official" thread alone until they are done. Spoiler tags are extra mandatory and I will beat with sticks (aka tempban) anyone who fucks with this rule. Hard. Apologies for any ambiguity this change has caused in anyones minds as to where spoilers belong.

Also, go easy on me. This is my first time making an OP, and I'm stupid for the Metal Gear series. Let me know if there's anything here that sounds too much like me being a "fan-boy" and I'll edit it out.

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Snake... Your son will bring the world to ruin...
Your son... will save... the world.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    glithert wrote: »
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    I'm not following you here. Shooting the frogs gets you the stealth camo on subsequent playthroughs.
    Beating the game without ever getting caught gets you the stealth camo on subsequent playthroughs.
    Never being seen is easier.
    So, what's the point of having the frogs?

    For people who can't go through the whole game without ever being seen? Is it really that hard to figure out?

    Not being seen is easy, yes. Going through the ENTIRE game without being seen? Not as easy.

  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    glithert wrote: »
    ?
    I'm not following you here. Shooting the frogs gets you the stealth camo on subsequent playthroughs.
    Beating the game without ever getting caught gets you the stealth camo on subsequent playthroughs.
    Never being seen is easier.
    So, what's the point of having the frogs?

    For people who can't go through the whole game without ever being seen? Is it really that hard to figure out?

    Not being seen is easy, yes. Going through the ENTIRE game without being seen? Not as easy.

    Easier than shooting all the fucking Kerotans. Some of those bastards are in really obscure places.

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  • glithertglithert Snortin' K Luthor's towerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It's really not that hard. You just need to be patient and save often. All I did on top of that was always have the tranq gun and knife out so I could quickly incapacitate a guard if they were about to see me.
    ...
    So how 'bout that mgs4 huh
    looks pretty neat
    I might just have to get a ps3 to play it

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  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    *sigh*

    It's 3 in the morning over here so I'm going to bed. I hope there aren't too many weird arguments like this while I'm asleep.

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro Frame Runner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Um, so I should stop talking about the story in the Essentials thread and start talking about it here?

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  • McAllenMcAllen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Does anyone pronounce Raiden like they do in the Mortal Kombat games? I catch myself doing it every now and then.

    This game better port itself to the PC, pronto.

  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro Frame Runner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To this day I still don't know if it should be Ray-den or Rye-den, same with Ninja Gaiden.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To this day I still don't know if it should be Ray-den or Rye-den, same with Ninja Gaiden.

    RIE-den

    GIE-den

    those are the japanese pronunciations, and they're japanese words.

  • HalibutHalibut Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To this day I still don't know if it should be Ray-den or Rye-den, same with Ninja Gaiden.

    RIE-den

    GIE-den

    those are the japanese pronunciations, and they're japanese words.

    Also, if you played through MGS2, you would have heard how it is pronounced about 500 times.

  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro Frame Runner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I just now started MGS2.

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  • glithertglithert Snortin' K Luthor's towerRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I hope you like being confused

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro Frame Runner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I mean I pretty much know what happens from just general exposure from forums and friends and such.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow YRP...in position It's showtime, girls.Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I've been on a media blackout, simply due to the fact that I didn't acquire a PS3 until last week and was just giving in to the fact that I wouldn't be able to play MGS4.

    Now I am fucking pumped. And completely spoiler-free. All I've seen of MGS4 is the original announcement trailer (the "tricked you" FPS one).

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To this day I still don't know if it should be Ray-den or Rye-den, same with Ninja Gaiden.

    RIE-den

    GIE-den

    those are the japanese pronunciations, and they're japanese words.

    Since this thread is all about pedantry and being pedantic, I will out-pedantricize the pedant...

    Japanese has no diphthongs, so that pronunciation is incorrect.

    Also, I restarted MGS2. I appreciate the radar that we lost in MGS3, but CQC sure added a lot. Either way, I have realized that these games are founded on the principle of being as unintuitive to control as possible.

    ...I shoot lots of guards in the head on accident...

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Japanese has no diphthongs, so that pronunciation is incorrect.

    I dunno what a dipthong is, but I speak japanese, and those are the correct pronunciations.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Japanese has no diphthongs, so that pronunciation is incorrect.

    I dunno what a dipthong is, but I speak japanese, and those are the correct pronunciations.

    I'll leave my comparative linguistics hat on the table and keep it simple:

    Those words have three syllables in Japanese. If you're saying it with two, you're saying it wrong.

    This is how pedantry works.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS
    edited May 2008
    if you say it fast enough you get a dipthong

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm not a native Japanese speaker, so I really couldn't say if they can hear the difference between /ai/ and a.i (with linguistic hiatus) spoken quickly - but only pure vowels exist in Japanese, and only one vowel can occupy a single syllable in it's phonology.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm not a native Japanese speaker, so I really couldn't say if they can hear the difference between /ai/ and a.i (with linguistic hiatus) spoken quickly - but only pure vowels exist in Japanese, and only one vowel can occupy a single syllable in it's phonology.

    Thats not true. Consider りょ. In this case, the i and the o combine to form "Ryo," which is different from りよ, or "riyo"

    You can absolutely combine several vowel sounds in japanese. When a vowel directly follows another vowel sound, they combine. あいーあい, pronounced "Ie Ie," not "a-ee, a-ee."

    This らいでん, or Raiden, would be (Ra+I=RIE)DeN.

  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Also consider official sounding voices, such as the nasal tone. It's set up entirely on the premise of several sounds combining together.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Japanese phonology is pretty clear on this. Only pure vowels. One vowel per mora/syllable.

    A "y" between a consonant and vowel is a palatal glide, not another vowel.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Japanese phonology is pretty clear on this. Only pure vowels. One vowel per mora/syllable.

    A "y" between a consonant and vowel is a palatal glide, not another vowel.

    consider ウィ, which combines ウ (u) and イ (i) to produce "wi"

    they most certainly are not pronounced separately, as うい is it's own sound and in many cases it's own word. I'm sorry dude but you can combine vowels in japanese into a single sound.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    My point was that we're being pedantic.

    To a native English speaker, any supposed Japanese diphthong will sound like a true English diphthong. Maybe even Japanese people can't tell the difference (though I'd wager they can, but there's no opportunity for confusion to arise frome the mistake, really). But phonologically, a single Japanese mora/syllable can only be a single vowel, a consonant + a vowel, or a consonant + glide/semivowel + vowel. This is undeniable. This is fact.

    Practically speaking, you may as well be right. But formally speaking, you are not. Which one is more important, I'll leave to you.

    I'll leave it at that, since I picked the argument with you knowing quite a bit about this beforehand and should have known better. I'd suggest reading the wikipedia article on Japanese Phonology if you're still interested. Also helpful are the articles on Morae and Diphthongs.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm being pedantic in response and flat out telling you that you're wrong. I trust college education over wikipedia articles, and my 4 semesters of japanese tells me that vowels can be combined to create a single new phoneme.

    And I did it all with one single sound: ウィ. It's existance stands in stark contrast to what you're saying. No, it's not two sounds spoken quickly - that's an entirely different sound. Rather, ウィ combines two vowels to create a new sound which does not normally exist in the Japanese language. It's not "oo-ii" as in the french word, oui. It's Wi.

    Since we're being pedantic, feel free to counter this sound's existence, and please use more than just wikipedia.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'll leave it at that, since I picked the argument with you knowing quite a bit about this beforehand and should have known better.

    I feel insulted. Fine, you're right. But if you ever feel the tingle to actually research this, I suggest you do.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    from my japanese text book:
    LANGUAGE NOTE: Syllables
    Syllables thate are used in Japanese can be classified as follows:
    1. syllables consisting of only one vowel あ、い、う、え、お
    2. syllables consisting of one consonant and one vowel: か、き、く、け、こ
    3. syllables consisting of one consonant, a glide vowel, and one vowel: きゃ、きゅ、きょ
    4. Special syllables:
    a. double consonant: かっか、きっき、くっく、けっけ、こっこ
    b. single consonant: ん,つ
    c. double vowel: there are two instance of double vowel use in Japanese.
    i. When two of the same vowel occur together, the resulting sound is twice as long as a single vowel. In Romaji writing, these double vowels are transcribed by adding a corresponding single vowel symbol:
    おばあさん: obaasan
    いいえ: iie
    ii. In katakana, the use of an expressive vowel symbol in combination with another symbol can create a new sound. These new sounds, which have been appended to the Japanese language only in recent history, combine dual vowels to create a new resulting vowel:
    イィ: Ye
    ウィ: Wi

    Yookoso, an invitation to contemporary japanese first edition, page 14.

    EDIT: Sorry, I transcribed that incorrectly, it should say "combine dual vowels to create a new resulting sound," not vowel.

    EDIT DOS: another error in my transcription, that should be "These new symbols," not sounds.

  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Okay, fine. I've never written a language book, so your book has more authority than me. That said, neither of those are diphthongs. The first is an approximant + vowel, the other a palatal glide/semivowel + vowel.

    Please, just type in "Japanese diphthong" into Google and click, well, anything. You don't have to be right at all things at all times...I promise I'm not trying to ruin your day or editing Wikipedia articles myself and then citing them.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Metal Gear Solid 4, anyone?

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  • HarakhtiHarakhti Registered User
    edited May 2008
    METAL.. GEAR?!?

    Kind of a shame this will be the last MGS game. Well, traditional anyways. God knows what Konami and Kojima have planned for the future.

    So who thinks Snake is going to die?

  • HaikiraHaikira Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Dashui wrote: »
    Igort wrote: »
    Nocren wrote: »
    Ok, so in the other thread, I was thinking... Supposedly the reason why Raiden went to fight Solidus was because their relationship closely matched Snake and Big Boss. I wonder though, cause it seems like it was more like Big Boss and Null (Frank Jager).
    Even more, look at what became of Frank and look at what happened to Radien.

    That's a very interesting observation, and something I'd never thought of before. I wonder if it was intentional...

    Maybe Raiden will end up with the same fate as Frank, sacrificing himself to save Snake from a Metal Gear?

    Well he does say, "It's time for me to protect you, Snake", in the trailer.

    Huge, HUGE Raiden spoiler from MGS4, don't read if you don't want it spoiled.

    Don't say I didn't warn you.
    Spoiler:

    I'm not suggesting people avoiding spoilers should check it, but that spoiler was a lot less spoiler, and a lot more common sense than I was expecting. I have a bad habit of clicking spoilers, I can't believe I done it for MGS4, going to be my last one for sure.

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  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Harakhti wrote: »
    METAL.. GEAR?!?

    Kind of a shame this will be the last MGS game. Well, traditional anyways. God knows what Konami and Kojima have planned for the future.

    So who thinks Snake is going to die?

    Well, if he doesn't shoot himself like in the trailers, then he'll just die of old age. The trailers said he has six months to live. I don't think they'll pull a magic cure out of their bums, as Kojima keeps saying it's time to end Snake's tale.

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  • HarakhtiHarakhti Registered User
    edited May 2008
    Dashui wrote: »
    Well, if he doesn't shoot himself like in the trailers, then he'll just die of old age. The trailers said he has six months to live. I don't think they'll pull a magic cure out of their bums, as Kojima keeps saying it's time to end Snake's tale.

    Makes sense.. I can actually see Kojima killing off pretty much everyone in the game. Raiden spitting up synthetic blood on the helicopter, Snake kissing the gun scenes etc. Seems like a fairly safe guess it's the end of the road for Liquid\Ocelot.

    Also, wasn't there a scene in one of the trailers with Otacon piloting a helicopter and another in another trailer with a helicopter crashing? Doesn't necessarily have to be the same helicopter but.. [SPECULATION ON]?

  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Haikira wrote: »
    Dashui wrote: »
    Igort wrote: »
    Nocren wrote: »
    Ok, so in the other thread, I was thinking... Supposedly the reason why Raiden went to fight Solidus was because their relationship closely matched Snake and Big Boss. I wonder though, cause it seems like it was more like Big Boss and Null (Frank Jager).
    Even more, look at what became of Frank and look at what happened to Radien.

    That's a very interesting observation, and something I'd never thought of before. I wonder if it was intentional...

    Maybe Raiden will end up with the same fate as Frank, sacrificing himself to save Snake from a Metal Gear?

    Well he does say, "It's time for me to protect you, Snake", in the trailer.

    Huge, HUGE Raiden spoiler from MGS4, don't read if you don't want it spoiled.

    Don't say I didn't warn you.
    Spoiler:

    I'm not suggesting people avoiding spoilers should check it, but that spoiler was a lot less spoiler, and a lot more common sense than I was expecting. I have a bad habit of clicking spoilers, I can't believe I done it for MGS4, going to be my last one for sure.

    Real spoiler ahead.
    Spoiler:

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Welp, google did you in, since I've found several sites claiming that japanese does have dipthongs:
    Just as in English, the Japanese language uses diphthongs (putting 2 or more vowel sounds together at once). The most common are "ai", "ei", and "oi", though, as mathematics dictates, there are many more permutations.
    link

    This dude wrote his PhD thesis on "English and Japanese Diphthongs and Vowel Sequences"

    The Department of Phonetics at the University of Helsinki claims "The Japanese diphthongs34 are probably limited to seven: /ai, ie, io, e, o, ei, oi/," and also says "34 It should be noted that there is a mora boundary and sometimes an accent rise/fall within diphthongs in Japanese."

    Seems this experiment from Ohio State University has shown that dipthongs do exist in japanese
    3aSCb18. A cross-linguistic study of diphthongs in spoken word
    processing in Japanese and English. Kiyoko Yoneyama Dept. of
    Linguist., Ohio State Univ., 1712 Neil Ave., Columbus, OH 43210,
    yoneyama@ling.ohio-state.edu

    Experiment 1 focused on monolingual Japanese listeners and found that they did not show a moraic effect in English materials, although they did not show that in Japanese materials.

    Damn indepth analysis of japanese shows that words such as やすい contain dipthongs among japanese speakers

    Haruo Kubozono from Kobe University wrote his thesis on Japanese dipthongs

    So... yeah. The only places I'm seeing that tell me that japanese doesn't have dipthongs are places like wikipedia or random-ass japanese tutorials, while all these academic papers seem to suggest that japanese does have dipthongs.

  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Guys, drop it.

    No one cares.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    One more, something I kept seeing over and over again on several sites:



    A true dipthong in japanese as you're trying to define it. Pronounced "uo" Even with mora, it's considered one syllable, despite representing two vowels.

    edit: excuse me, thats uo, not oi.

  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    oh tsr. So anal.

    OooOOOoOoOOOooOOOoOOOoOoOOoOOoOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo
  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Dude, you won the epic internets argument. You are right. I already conceded, and I admit I made everything I said up. I cherry-picked sites, and ignored every counterpoint you made, especially when you kept trying to call "w" a vowel. Because of you, we now both know something we didn't (since you said you didn't know what a diphthong was but now have a functional enough definition to completely prove me wrong).

    Only one of us is being an asshole about it, though.

    Anyways...I beat the Tanker and suddenly lost interest again in MGS2. Part of it was being Raiden. The other part is being Raiden and not having the cooler parts of MGS3 on hand. Am I really just letting my previous experience with the game tarnish it, or is there something I missed/forgot about...because I'm not sure I'd rather be playing this than 3.

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  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Anyways...I beat the Tanker and suddenly lost interest again in MGS2. Part of it was being Raiden. The other part is being Raiden and not having the cooler parts of MGS3 on hand. Am I really just letting my previous experience with the game tarnish it, or is there something I missed/forgot about...because I'm not sure I'd rather be playing this than 3.

    Man, Raiden is his own bad-ass. Give him a chance. When I first played MGS2, I liked Raiden, because I said to myself "maybe this guy is as bad-ass as Snake is". It's Rose who's the annoying one.

    Also, it might just be that you don't like MGS2. I know a lot of people who love MGS1&3 but with 2, they just flat out don't like the game-play, because it's too choppy and un-focused. I can see where they're coming from, but I don't agree (obviously).

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Raiden's a badass from the view that he is functionally identical to Snake (well, he does a froofy cartwheel instead of roll, but that's kinda cool), but something about this whole scenario just rubs me wrong. The setting is boring, and recollecting on the bosses, only Vamp stands out.

    Parts of the game still impress me, though. The AI seems sharper, and some of the graphic touches are cool. It really just seems that this game blows its wad in the first act. I'll keep playing for plot-preparation purposes, I think.

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