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# MATH

## Posts

• Registered User
edited May 2008
man algebra sucks

trig 4 lyfe

trig and algebra are related nicely

sin and cos are represented by equations that use the numbers e and i

therefore tan cot and sec and csc and coth and sinh and cosh and tanh all have algebraic representations

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
Weaver wrote: »
I took to just writing out the problem and fudging up a little bit of what looks like work then dropping answer in because man teachers don't have time check the work on every question for their whole class.

h5 that's what i ended up doing

I'd write my 3-7 lines then just add simple math in the margins above it. easy things like 19x5=95

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• send help pirates have meRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
I hate math because I am an abstract thinker. A lot of times when I'm dealing with concrete objects or processes with some kind of problem I'll sort of remove that item in my thought process and replace it with an ideation of something with similiar qualities. Doesn't work with math. Math is about as concrete and unmutable as it gets.

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
Weaver wrote: »
I took to just writing out the problem and fudging up a little bit of what looks like work then dropping answer in because man teachers don't have time check the work on every question for their whole class.

Now, I had one that was actually pragmatic with working out shit, my algebra 2 teacher. You showed your work, you could get partial credit (cause she could see were you done fucked up). You don't, you either got all or none.

Course when I got to calculus in college, all the work had to be correct or you'd get points off. And I got a D. Fuck Calculus, the only thing that came from it is that I can kinda understand some more xkcd comics than normal people.

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
Weaver wrote: »
I hate math because I am an abstract thinker. A lot of times when I'm dealing with concrete objects or processes with some kind of problem I'll sort of remove that item in my thought process and replace it with an ideation of something with similiar qualities. Doesn't work with math. Math is about as concrete and unmutable as it gets.

that is only true up to calculus

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

You're fucking retarded.

Some people are smart enough to know that 7x8 is 56 without fucking carrying the one.

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

that's stupid the way you prove that you are right is by proving it

done by going back and solving it in reverse

showing your work is just used to make sure you aren't cheating which is stupid if you can prove it

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
anybody gonna do it?

or should I get chico in here

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• send help pirates have meRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
oh no he mentioned English.

Anytime we were assigned to write anything fictional, I could crank out pages & pages of quality stuff that the teacher would usually showcase to the next years classes as example work.

Assign me a non-fictional topic to write a huge report on, always on some topic I have absolutely no care for?

Shiiiit I can't even come up with an outline.

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
Do it with variables.

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• good name, isn't it? peach treesRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

I did not, nor do I currently want to be a mathematician

And you must realize that is a stupid analogy

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
PiptheFair wrote: »
Math class became much more tolerable once I realized I could write a TI-BASIC program for all the mundane bits.

Perform the quadratic formula and get the two X-intercepts plus the vertex in less than thirty lines? Yes.

they don't let you do that anymore

i used to get yelled at in math class because i always found the easiest way to do things and would get most of it down in 4-5 lines (i skipped a lot of writing because of this method) and i got F's all the time because i arrived at the answer "in the wrong way"

I hate that shit, I've TAed a few courses in math (algebra and calc 1 and 2) as long as someone provides a modicum of logic for how they arrived at their answer (and that answer is correct) I usually let anything slide.

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• good name, isn't it? peach treesRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
Weaver wrote: »
oh no he mentioned English.

Anytime we were assigned to write anything fictional, I could crank out pages & pages of quality stuff that the teacher would usually showcase to the next years classes as example work.

Assign me a non-fictional topic to write a huge report on, always on some topic I have absolutely no care for?

Shiiiit I can't even come up with an outline.

I also have this problem

It is pretty rough

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• Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
edited May 2008
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
I'm thinking of going back to school for mechanical engineering. The highest math i have learned was basic algebra 7 years ago. I stand on the brink of disaster.

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
Olivaw wrote: »
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

I did not, nor do I currently want to be a mathematician

And you must realize that is a stupid analogy

no, I don't realize that at all

the foundations of our systems of mathematics are such that everything must be definitively proved to be correct

I don't care if you want to be a mathematician; you are taking a fucking mathematics class, not an arithmetic class

you may not be a writer, but if you are taking an english class, you still have to write essays

this is the same fucking thing

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it

edit: we know how to do the problem rank it just slows you down enormously to do so

were i making up a new theorem i would prove it several ways to prove it

since they want us to find the principals i figure I've already got them and i'm not taking the time to write unnecessary numbers . they already have the answer and so do i

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
Showing your work isn't at all important for a lot of people until the higher levels of mathematics. All that showing your work did for a lot of us in basic algebra and arithmetic is drill in an association of meaninglessness and futility with showing our work.

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• send help pirates have meRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

I just didn't understand the process, so I figured out the answer in a way that worked for me. Maybe if I'd had tutoring by someone who could adapt a way to teach me the process in a manner than I understood I'd have caught on to it but public schools yadda yadda

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• Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it
we're not talking about wood shop here

we're talking about math class

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
I don't get why showing your work is apparently such an ordeal.

Do you all have horrible tendonitis in your writing hands?

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
I am pretty sure that there is a difference between proving your answer and showing your process

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edited May 2008
PiptheFair wrote: »
math is gay

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it

if you are taking a wood class or an arithmetics class, your teacher is a dick if they are making you show your work

but if you are taking a fucking mathematics class you had god damn better show your work, you fucking twat

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

the very fact that you could arrive at the answer tends to prove that you knew what you were doing

beyond that, the necessity to prove your work on all of the 50-100 problems you had to do was beyond redundant

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• Passersby were amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
edited May 2008
hey guys

remember that time Defender argued with math?

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
hey guys

remember that time Defender argued with math?

no, but I would like to see this

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
You can pull that 'you gotta show your work' bullshit when the processes are complex and actually matter, in trig, algebra 2, calc, the works.

But not fucking algebra and arithmetic, ya fucks.

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
You can pull that 'you gotta show your work' bullshit when the processes are complex and actually matter, in trig, algebra 2, calc, the works.

But not fucking algebra and arithmetic, ya fucks.

the vast majority of the work shown in those subjects is algebra

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it

if you are taking a wood class or an arithmetics class, your teacher is a dick if they are making you show your work

but if you are taking a fucking mathematics class you had god damn better show your work, you fucking twat

Guess what arithmetic is.

Guess.

Take a guess.

Here's a hint:
Spoiler:

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
PiptheFair wrote: »
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

the very fact that you could arrive at the answer tends to prove that you knew what you were doing

beyond that, the necessity to prove your work on all of the 50-100 problems you had to do was beyond redundant

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF YOU AREN'T PROVING YOUR ANSWER

YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

OH JESUS FUCK MY BRAIN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD

GOODBYE, THIS THREAD, YOU ARE FULL OF RETARDS WHO THINK THEY ARE INTELLIGENT BUT IN REALITY DO NOT KNOW ONE GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FUCKING MATHEMATICS

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• send help pirates have meRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
Think of it like simple arithmetic.

2+2=4

That the equation & solution. No work has been shown because the concept of addition is so strikingly simple that it needs to work. You'd have to do something like make two sets of two hash-marks and let the teacher know that you counted them to find the answer of 4.

Take y=(mx)+b.

his one actually has a formula for solving it but not everyone needs to work through it as depending on your intellect it may be almost as easy as 2+2.

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• send help pirates have meRegistered User regular
edited May 2008
PiptheFair wrote: »
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

the very fact that you could arrive at the answer tends to prove that you knew what you were doing

beyond that, the necessity to prove your work on all of the 50-100 problems you had to do was beyond redundant

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF YOU AREN'T PROVING YOUR ANSWER

YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

OH JESUS FUCK MY BRAIN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD

GOODBYE, THIS THREAD, YOU ARE FULL OF RETARDS WHO THINK THEY ARE INTELLIGENT BUT IN REALITY DO NOT KNOW ONE GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FUCKING MATHEMATICS

Show me your proof and method for the equation 0+1.

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it

if you are taking a wood class or an arithmetics class, your teacher is a dick if they are making you show your work

but if you are taking a fucking mathematics class you had god damn better show your work, you fucking twat

I am talking about the use of math in every day work

you don't have to show your work because it doesn't matter as long as you are right.

i was right and i understood the method. i could show my work when asked but to do it for 50 problems is stupid and silly.

almost as stupid and silly as relating showing your work in math to writing essays in english

god it's like talking to a 5 year old

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• Registered User regular
edited May 2008
PiptheFair wrote: »
showing your work in a math class is important because you're not learning answers, you're learning critical processes.

sure, you figured out how to solve a problem your way on these. That's awesome and you should be commended. But a lot of times, you're learning how to come to a solution using a method that is used in many other types of problems, and that needs to be utilized a bunch of times.

sometimes it may have just been your teacher being a dick, but most of the time they knew what they were talking about and were trying to do you a favor, but you were a snot-nosed little teenager that naturally assumed you knew better than any dang old grown-up.

the very fact that you could arrive at the answer tends to prove that you knew what you were doing

beyond that, the necessity to prove your work on all of the 50-100 problems you had to do was beyond redundant

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF YOU AREN'T PROVING YOUR ANSWER

YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

OH JESUS FUCK MY BRAIN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD

GOODBYE, THIS THREAD, YOU ARE FULL OF RETARDS WHO THINK THEY ARE INTELLIGENT BUT IN REALITY DO NOT KNOW ONE GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FUCKING MATHEMATICS

really, because if you can work out the problem in your head, and arrive at the correct answer, then I'm pretty sure you do

could you stop being a snot-nosed little shit for once please

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edited May 2008
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING IF YOU AREN'T PROVING YOUR ANSWER

YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

OH JESUS FUCK MY BRAIN I AM LEAVING THIS THREAD

GOODBYE, THIS THREAD, YOU ARE FULL OF RETARDS WHO THINK THEY ARE INTELLIGENT BUT IN REALITY DO NOT KNOW ONE GOD DAMN THING ABOUT FUCKING MATHEMATICS

confusing grade school mathematics and a pure mathematics course at the college level is pretty dumb

you are pretty dumb

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited May 2008
For everyone who says that they could get the problems without showing their work and they just had mean teachers, you are retarded

nobody cares how easy it is for you to do problems in your head; to be a mathematician you have to show your fucking work

seriously, this is like taking an english class, only writing introduction and conclusion paragraphs on essays, and then whining when the teacher fails you

to be a mathematician you have to prove your fucking work

this is my point

guys, I really shouldn't have to explain how retarded you are if you think all that matters in math is getting an answer

imagine you are a builder and have to find the length of something so you know how much wood you need you don't need to "show your work" you need to know how much wood you need and that is it

if you are taking a wood class or an arithmetics class, your teacher is a dick if they are making you show your work

but if you are taking a fucking mathematics class you had god damn better show your work, you fucking twat

I am talking about the use of math in every day work

you don't have to show your work because it doesn't matter as long as you are right.

i was right and i understood the method. i could show my work when asked but to do it for 50 problems is stupid and silly.

almost as stupid and silly as relating showing your work in math to writing essays in english

god it's like talking to a 5 year old

Using his english analogy, it's like doing sentence diagramming on essays as you write them.

This here? This is a declarative sentence. This here? That's a predicate.

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• Registered User
edited May 2008
Widepath wrote: »
I'm thinking of going back to school for mechanical engineering. The highest math i have learned was basic algebra 7 years ago. I stand on the brink of disaster.

I was looking into some engineering programs last year, most of them required 3 semesters of calc., and only a few 300 level math classes. Stuff like, Differential Equations (kind of like algebra and calc mixed, relatively easier than 2nd semester calc.). Most of the upper level math classes you'll take will be only in the applied maths section. And two semesters of calc. based physics.

For the first two years of your undergrad, generally all you have to do is 2 semesters of calc and physics, then you apply for the engineering program.

First semester of calc., you'll be taxing your algebra skills (the calc stuff is new anyway, no sense worrying about that yet), maybe take a refresher algebra course if you don't think you're up to it.

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