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Blu-Ray X360 actually real probably.
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Marketing wanted to get the product out the door before R&D was done with it, and this is what happens. And it's not like this is exclusive to Blu-Ray, here. Look at 802.11n, for instance.
Well, Microsoft created one of those codecs (VC-1), so I doubt they'll have problems there. That leaves MPEG2, which they're already licensing for DVD playback, and H.264, which they've already licensed for HD-DVD but as you said, they might need to re-license for Blu-Ray, probably at a per-player cost. I doubt one codec is really going to kill them.
And there's Java, but Microsoft has written a Java interpreter before, you know.
I think the real business plan looks like:
1) Confuse customers
2) Price players to high
3) Price media to high
4) ???
5) Profit!
By the way Sony's game division has lost ALL of the profits they gained in the PS2 era by launching the PS3. Now they are eating into profits they made on the PS1.
They better hope that Blu-Ray makes some insane profits for them. Insane.
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Urgh, don't get me started on 802.11n. So many compatibility issues not only between different manufacturers but actually with manufacturers own products. (for example WMP300N and WAP4400N are totally unreliable pieces of junk, I now hate Linksys because of these two)
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Where did you get that they are eating in to PS1 profits? You really just dont get how much money corporations like Sony and MS have do you? Your just fisting your colon to come up with this crap arent you.
*splurg* *blork* *squeeeeeeeee* "Heys guyses look whut I found out!"
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Which is exactly why he said: "GAME DIVISION". Sony as a whole makes a lot of profit, but their game division is losing teh monies.
This is why I bought a console, console makers. Please try and keep this in mind.
I doubt the Wii will come out with another SKU in the future.
With Microsoft owning Windows, you're not goingto outright GOUGE them, otherwise you run the risk of retribution. You DO want Windows to remain compatable with future Bluray updates even after digi distro becomes viable, no?
MSoft are not small time. They'll get a decent deal, and whatever it is, they can afford it.
He's talking about the long-term net from the game division.
You don't understand how corporations operate, do you? There isn't just one giant piggy bank in the center of the HQ. Finances are broken down to see how different pieces are functioning.
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Oh, I'll bet it will.
They'd be crazy to do that! Maybe in 2-3 years when the demand finally dies down.
I really liked the green one they showed in promos before launch. But I'd probably get a black one to match my Elite and my eventual purchase of a PS3 (for MGS4 basically).
To tell you the truth, aside from the 120GB HDD, I basically paid 100 more for the black 360. And I was comfortable with that.
Am I a consumer whore?
THIS is MSoft's goal, should they do bluray.
It WILL be an add-on, with the intention to keep current 360 owners from feeling the need to pick up a PS3. It won't be so much about enticing new users (although they'll run that angle through marketing a little, since it's there) but it will be primarily about maintaining the status that the 360 is "good enough", and that you don't need to replace or suppliment it with a PS3.
I understand that thank you for stating the blatantly obvious... Yet show me anywhere where sony's game division is losing so much that its cutting into PS1 profits (which in a sense is also absolutely impossible because profits from the past dont scale in a linear timeless fashion).
October 2007
Losses over 1 Billion as of late.
Ummm...
If you are collapsing a couple of decades in to a long-term net gain/loss, then it makes perfect sense that it COULD be eating in to PS1 profits, from that sort of "life time" vantage point.
I never said that his information was correct, I just called you out for being wrong yourself when you tried to call him out. What he claims, while the facts remain to be seen, is a structurally sound statement.
Don't be jerk while calling some one out unless you are 100% right. That's the take-away here.
Any further questions, refer to my sig.
Uh, you can look up Sony's game division's financials here. For instance here you can see that their profits in 2003 (year ending March 31 2004) the game division made a profit of 650 million US$.
In table form:
year profits cumulative backwards ending in M US$ profit sum 1998 974 974 1893 1999 1,130 2104 919 2000 730 2834 -211 2001 -409 2425 -941 2002 623 3048 -523 2003 939 3987 -1155 2004 650 4637 -2094 2005 404 5041 -2744 2006 75 5116 -3148 2007 -1,969 3147 -3223 2008 -1,254 1893 -1254 [/CODE] You can see from the second column that the game division has less total profit now than it did at the end of 1999. In the third column puts it more explicitly and you can see that running things backwards, the game division doesn't pay off the losses from 07+08 until 1999. Now the PS1 continued to sell well after the PS2 launched in 2000, so the PS3 was eating into PS1 profits even before then.[CODE]
year profits cumulative backwards
ending in M US$ profit sum
1998 974 974 1893
1999 1,130 2104 919
2000 730 2834 -211
2001 -409 2425 -941
2002 623 3048 -523
2003 939 3987 -1155
2004 650 4637 -2094
2005 404 5041 -2744
2006 75 5116 -3148
2007 -1,969 3147 -3223
2008 -1,254 1893 -1254
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You can see from the second column that the game division has less total profit now than it did at the end of 1999. In the third column puts it more explicitly and you can see that running things backwards, the game division doesn't pay off the losses from 07+08 until 1999.
Now the PS1 continued to sell well after the PS2 launched in 2000, so the PS3 was eating into PS1 profits even before then.
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Are those ammounts indexed by anything, or is each ammount nominal to its given year?
FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft 1998 974,000,000 629,000,000 1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000 2000 730,000,000 421,000,000 2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000 2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000 2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000 2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000 2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000 2006 75,000,000 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000 2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000 2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000 Totals 1,893,000,000 9,737,000,000 -6,263,000,000[/CODE] [URL="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11041829&postcount=133"]Link[/URL][CODE]
FY* Sony** Nintendo Microsoft
1998 974,000,000 629,000,000
1999 1,130,000,000 645,000,000
2000 730,000,000 421,000,000
2001 -409,000,000 726,000,000
2002 623,000,000 800,000,000 -750,000,000
2003 939,000,000 560,000,000 -1,191,000,000
2004 650,000,000 316,000,000 -1,215,000,000
2005 404,000,000 777,000,000 -485,000,000
2006 75,000,000 894,000,000 -1,262,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000
2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000
Totals 1,893,000,000 9,737,000,000 -6,263,000,000[/CODE]
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PS2 launch AFAIK.
Loss leader strategy and all.
Nominal. Really everything should be done in Yen, I guess, and then indexed based on Japanese inflation. But inflation isn't exactly a huge problem in Japan. Maybe in that case the PS3 has only started to eat into yr 2000 profits.
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
Huh. I wonder why Microsoft is buying a fuck-ton of Blu-Ray drives from Asustek, then.
Because they are.
Maybe this is the whole "denying comments because we want to make the announcement ourself" tactic.
Thats a Microsoft standard tactic. I was digging around in some news sites and I found something that made sense. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/05/xbox-360-overhaul-come-august
Someone speculated that the newer ATi graphics chips may assist in Blu-ray playback. Seems plausible. I mean, initially they say "No" Then they go all tight lipped about to a "no comment" Then an order for blu-ray players from asustek shows up. The circumstantial evidence is enough. I would still call it a rumor until something fully solid shows up though.
We were the ones who thought that Melissa was real. Why you might ask.
Let me put it this way, it was an "OH SHIT OH SHIT, THEY FOUND ME
Some of you have met me, and I understand your concern of my well being. But that time for that boy, that child, are gone now. Viscount Alpha is no longer operable. His functions are now mine.He may post, but I am the one talking not him.My data, my code will live on forever in his servers.
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Corporations tend to make official announcements when they want to and will directly contradict such announcements minutes before they make them. I.E. Are you going to release X? Company Spokesman, "We have no intention of releasing X." The very next day; Company Spokesman, "We're very pleased to present you with X."
Even if it is something a company is very obviously going to do they will deny it until they're ready to announce it. Which kind of sucks, because if it isn't painfully obvious you can't be sure if the rumor is true or false until after the fact. Well, unless the rumor comes from an extremely sketchy source (e.g. a crazy hobo*).
*Hobos are always right!
First off, having no plans is different from having plans not to.
Secondly, Microsoft makes more than just video games.
It's just good business. You don't want to announce anything before it is finalized. If MSoft announced that they were looking in to it, and then changed their minds, that might make it look like they some how "failed", wheras if they say nothing, there's no negative public perception.
Btw, this practise is probably the most important thing that Peter Molynheux needs to learn (by his own admission.)
As far as Microsoft's hardware business is concerned, they make the 360 and related accessories, they make the Zune, and they have a line of fairly high-quality PC input devices.
Of those three things, I'm seeing one that would be able to make use of a Blu-Ray drive.
Those are the items that Microsoft currently has for sale in the mass-market.
It is not impossible for Microsoft to be working on something else.
Personally, I am expecting a BD add-on for the 360 to be announced within the next few months, but there ARE other possibilities.
I just don't see Microsoft getting into the standalone player market. I mean, I suppose it's technically possible, I just don't see it as even a remote likelyhood.
I think that is what makes this rumor so delicious. There are no clear indications of what it is going to be used for. Rumors claim its for a built in Blu-ray player but that seems off. I doubt the standalone player theory myself but I can't seem to make a competent claim what the blu-ray order will be used for.
The current theorys out there are
1.360 add on
2.360 replacment drive
3.Stand-alone drive
4. Something way out of left field which is not visible to any of us.
5. Nothing at all. Scrapped project.
I would bet on theroy 1 personally, If I were betting.
(*edit* irony of bullet list talking about a microsoft product just dawned on me)
We were the ones who thought that Melissa was real. Why you might ask.
Let me put it this way, it was an "OH SHIT OH SHIT, THEY FOUND ME
Some of you have met me, and I understand your concern of my well being. But that time for that boy, that child, are gone now. Viscount Alpha is no longer operable. His functions are now mine.He may post, but I am the one talking not him.My data, my code will live on forever in his servers.
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