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Who acted out of character? I don't remember such a thing.
What shock devices were there in the finale to Angel?
Two if you count
And for the record, Buffy was a great show with some deeply irritating flaws, by which I mean all the angst, and also Dawn. Especially Dawn. And the last two seasons. And the first season. And Connor. And Dawn. But it was still a great show. And how come no-one's mentioned The Wish yet as the best episode?
And finally, I still haven't quite worked out how they're going to create a compelling TV show when the main character's personality doesn't stay constant from one episode to the next. But I have faith in Whedon, and I mean that in the religious sense.
Yes.
Failing to recognise that no one else believes Hodgins regarding conspiracies indicts he isn't an authoritive source. That's a rational trait as well.
Believing in Conspiracy theories because Hodgins says so, again, not a rational belief.
Allying yourself with someone crazy - who, say, eats people is not a rational course of action, given that he has a close friend who is knowledgeable regarding conspiracy theory law, who hates conspiracies and has boatloads of cash seems a little unlikely as well.
But even if we grant that the Master's Logic does lead to the conclusion that killing the clandestati is a wise course of action it only functions as a partial explanation. Why only stick to widow's sons? Why kill people with no clear link to secret societies (like Gavin)? Why kill people to create a skeleton of exceptional people parts? Why create canine molars? The partial explanation is no explanation at all.
Also how did Gavin get stabbed in the heart if G. was a nobody?
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However, my beef is almost entirely to do with Wesley. Wesley is the one without scruples. Wesley is now Batman - cool gadgets and blowing shit up with guns and rockets and stuff.
For some reason, Wesley is written as trying to sneakily take out arguably the most powerful member of the circle, with MAGIC which aforeaid member has all the advantages in. Wesley's thing is to fight unfairly and get the job done. If he had to die (which was so pathetically telegraphed) then at least have him do something in-character - like coming in with 30 kilos of C4 strapped to his person, usin the pathetic hadouken to lure the warlock over him and then going "SUPRISE" *BOOM*.
However, even that would be somewhat out of character, Wesley's more likely to just take him out without warning and by surprise - level his entire house or gather his army of miscreants, storm the place and riddle the creepy old dude with bullets or Lobby Scene, reprise: Now with demons! Illyria's killing him by surprise shows that
However, even more sensible would have been send the nearly invincible Illyria into the mansion, have her toast the Warlock and have Wesley appear ala Illyria to the car full of demons and shotgun blast through the window before tossing it full of grenades and riddling it with bullets.
Then, have Wesley meet Lindsey in a different alley and kill him, as that's he shit that Wesley does now. He's Mr-the-ends-justify-the-means.
Honestly, it just seemed like having indicated so many times thoughout the season that Wesley felt he had nothing left to live for and felt compelled to kill him, and then somehow thought that this excused puttng no effort in contructing an internally consistent or plausible scenario.
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Yeah. It was appalling.
I'm just starting S6 and I'm sorry to hear that it's awful, since it's gotten off to a pretty good start: A+ for OMWF, and I really like how Anya and Tara (esp. Tara) are finally starting to fit in with the rest of the cast. If it does take a downturn, then seasons 2 and 3 will almost certainly remain my favorites, with 4 getting an honorable mention.
"They got! The mustard! Out!"
Well, that's fine and I can accept to be the case, but it still needs to be handled plausibly and consistently. Which it was not. Any plot which relies upon the otherwise rational characters involved to actively make bad decisions is bad, and it's terrible when they're glaringly obvious.
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When an otherwise rational character has nothing to live for and kind of wants to die, they sometimes make irrational decisions. Plus, I'm not sure if you noticed, but
And much of Wesley's overconfidence was replaced with competence after he got the boot from the team.
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What you mean like chasing Illyria through the portal with only a gun?
Besides
And Wesley allowing Illyria to lie to him when he was dying isn't out of character, unless you can think of other times Wesley was near death and didn't allow himself the hollow illusion of Fred still existing, just for a moment.
Besides it was a powerful and sad scene.
I do not see either of the scenes in the same light as you. Both were, at best, contrived.
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Indeed. But
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Would that be because he was all "I'm an unmitigated badass" now like you mention?
And his tactics, well even Ali lost a fight or two.
Also note that his enemy was the one
I mean, he wasn't always reasonable, like when he stabbed the fuck out of Gunn.
They planned the big push together, I'm not sure how they'd have ended up discussing the intricate details of Angel's subterfuge (once it was discovered) and joined in the fun but somehow failed to plan the activities between them, or at least discuss it. Even if we grant that Wesley provided the targets, it's not like a discussion wouldn't have occured.
The other thing to consider is that things would have made sense if Wesley had showed up to the car, started ripping demons in cars' shit up and then gotten taken out but their death throes or when one of them turned out to be resistent to shotgun blasts. The level of difficulty of the Illyria fight is unimportant (though in virtue of cinematic conventions of how it started and the fact that Illyria managed to show up to Wesley's curtain call demonstrates that it was not a difficult fight) the level of power of the combatants was an unknown quanitity while the Warlock was known to be highly powerful. In terms of being able to write a coherent narrative, keeping track of these kinds of things is important it would be narratively consistent if they wrote the car-four as too powerful for Wesley but far less powerful than the Warlock and they could still kill Wesley off.
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You... like Dawn? People exist who like Dawn? Why?
I mean, she's pretty hot, but still.
Buffy and Angel are lame. And totally brilliant. I pity those who quibble at their sillyness, you miss out.
The only arbitrary death I disliked was Anya's. Mainly because it wasnt handled well and Xander just sort of 'meh'd it away. Whereas in Angel, even though it did have that 'Whedon killed them' feel, the reactions of the characters, and the emotional weight behind each characters death, was substantial enough for me not to really mind how they met their end. Thats comic booky, worrying about the logistics of how a character died, your just going to tie yourself up in knots dealing with that.
Combat, while fun in Buffy and Angel, has never been its strong point, or really its point at all.
What I loved about Angel's ending was the idea of giving baddies the finger, that kind of 'make a god-king bleed' 'fuck you' badassery, coupled with what I thought was brilliantly handled deaths (emotionally). Its pretty much one of my favourite finale's of any show.
The idea that there should be some sort of narrative coherence or character continuity is hardly silly.
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I guess this is more or less where I'm at. I very much like the way she plays with the rest of the cast: her relationship with Spike in S5 was the cutest <3 and way preferable to creepy/emo Spike angsting out alone. Her crush on Xander was also d'aww-worthy. In general, the Scoobie Gang's chemistry benefits from having a little sister to look out for, and, more seriously, Buffy needed a character she could care about strongly outside the context of a(n obviously doomed) relationship. And Dawn's plotline bought Mrs. Summers a lot of needed screentime.
In Season 6 so far I enjoy her semi-filial relationship with Willow and Tara and the klepto thing seems to me to make sense for the character, but yeah it would be nice if she could be less like early Xander in terms of plot.
Well, if I have a low opinion of them, then obviously I do not agree they exist. Or at least, in the case of the season finale(s) of the final seasons.
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It's not the greatest episode ever but it wasn't bad.
yes, that is clearly the problem... it's not that you are completely nitpicking to a point that many would find irrational and perhaps needing some kind of medication.
Basically, it was the producers and everyone else going "yeah, we know exactly what we are and what everyone expects us to be, but we don't care. Also, here's a self/genre-parody, because we have a sense of humour."
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Yes yes yes, when I sit around and give it some real thought, inconsistencies appear. But it made enough sense during that my brain let me gloss over them and enjoy the episode, which is all I really wanted in the first place. The biggest leap really was
Ah so you're one of those people.
And for the rest it's called behind-the-scenes action and suspension of belief.
Buffy became the weakest link in the show as it went on, I mean seriously how often is fun to listen to someone bitch for the 100th time that they have to save the world. Compare Buffy to Cordelias arc on Angel and you see how anoying she really is. At least Cordelia embraced her calling in the end(4th season does not count).
One final note: If Dawn is supposed to be a mystical clone of buffy, why does she look nothing like her? Not even her hair color is the same(buffy is canonicaly blonde, SMG nonwithstanding). My pet theory on it is that she is also a mystical clone of Faith as well,
Also, she's not a clone of Buffy, she's just made from the same stuff.
And Dawn was reduced to a (even whinnier) bitch in the 6th season. Mostly because I don't think they knew what to do with her. Everyone but Dawn and Giles were supposed to die at the end of S5 after all.
S6 was a mess, although Dawn was useful at forcing Buffy to deal with Real Life, as she IS a teenagers sole guardian at that point.
And S7 she was supposed to be a Slayer too, and there was a whole thing that would have actually made sense, but then something changed, and we got the semi-mess that was S7.
I don't know WHY they threw out the original plans. Although, I guess peoples hatred of Dawn was part of it. Though the "Dawn's NOT a Slayerette" did lead to a very nice scene with her and Xander, giving us yet another reason why the men on that show were the best thing.
They had some good ideas, but shitty execution.
Wait, what?
Maddie: "I am not!"
Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
The original plan for the end of S5 was the end of the series. (Remember, this is the last season on ... whatever the fuck network they were on at the time. The last 2 seasons were on UPN or something.)
Anyway, Joss's plan for the end was:
1) Glory kills Tara
2) Willow goes crazy and super powered (like at the end of S6) and kills Glory, then starts wrecking the place up
3) Buffy kills Willow to stop it
4) Spike dies trying to protect Dawn
5) Xander dies trying to protect Anya or reason with Willow, Anya buys it at some point too
6) Buffy sacrifices herself to stop the hole into hell from opening
7) The whole town gets fucked/destroyed (like in end of S7) and Giles escapes with Dawn
Something close to that as I remember it. I'll see if I can dig up the original.
Anyway, the other writers vetoed it, saying they COULD get picked up somewhere else, so the end of S5 was changed to something slightly less .... Apocalyptic. (It was supposed to be a kind of fuck you to the network or something) The Angel series Finale was the same sort of thing this was supposed to be. Joss does NOT like getting canceled.
I've never heard any of that.. aside from the Glory killing Tara part, I do know that was supposed to happen and Willow was going to go evil. But supposedly Joss loved the Tara/Willow relationship so much that he postponed that storyline for another season.
Also way back when it was originally gonna be Oz who Glory killed to send Willow over the edge.