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animated kiddie porn: legal or illegal?

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Nerissa wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    plus, most of this stuff is in comic book form, and that opens up a whole new can of worms as to who gets their hands on it. I'm not saying "lol if a kid gets it he'll be a pedo bear". but the fact is that it does conform to a medium that shares a lot of shelf space with your average comic book.

    The chief misconception here is that kids read comic books. (They don't.) If they had kiddie porn cell phone themes I might be more worried.

    awesome.

    ::shrug:: I'm against kiddie porn in all forms, it's sickening to me, so I'll support legislation to put a stop to it in all forms.

    If they wanted to ban something I liked, like regular porn, I'd speak out for it.

    I guess we could just sit back and see who comes out to defend their right to have animated kiddie porn.

    right?

    OK, see, here's where you've got a double standard going.

    Many, and I mean MANY very vocal people feel that "mainstream" porn is, by definition, abusive and degrading to women.

    But you're all fine and dandy with that, so I guess you're all about abusing women too, right? (see what I did there? ;-) )

    nice.

    fucking women deserve a good ass kicking sometimes though. lemme go draw that on a piece of paper :)

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    GungHo wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Titmouse wrote: »
    People can masturbate to shit they would never do in real life. For example, there is a ton of rape porn.
    Exactly. I would never actually rape someone.
    Don't mean it ain't creepy to watch someone else do it though. Something doesn't have to be illegal for it to make your skin crawl. Though, just because it makes your skin crawl doesn't mean it shouldn't be illegal. But, it's still ok if I say it makes my skin crawl.

    Yeah but I'm not about to invite you into my quarters to watch me whack off to rape porn.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    GungHo wrote: »
    Even freedoms of speech/expression have legal limitations in the US, such as obscenity.

    I will tolerate a lot of things that I wouldn't participate in... but I have a hard time swallowing the idea of whacking off to child porn as a valid "alternate lifestyle".

    Well, the question is whether whacking off to (fake) child porn A) provides an outlet and makes them less likely to actually molest a child, B) has no effect at all on whether they'll molest a child, or C) encourages their desires and makes them more likely to molest a child.

    Only (C) provides any real justification for banning it.

    I mean, I'm definitely on board the "creepy as fuck" bus, I'm just sayin'.
    kildy wrote: »
    On the one hand, kiddie porn = bad. No doubts in my mind that it's just not right.

    On the other hand, banning artistic depictions (computer generated/drawn) brings up proof that it's supposed to be underaged drawings. Without a confession or blatantly obvious (hi2u 5 year old I guess?), and breaking slightly out of the idea of "kiddie", how do you prove a drawing of porn subject is supposed to be 15, as opposed to 18.

    An excellent question.
    Although it sure is a great way of getting rid of people you don't like - Hate your asshole neighbor? Just drop a few drawings of naked kids on his PC and then call the cops on him. You don't have to go through the trouble of finding real kiddie porn to frame him with, you can just draw some up. That's convenience.

    Hey, no more worrying about crawling out of your rat hole to get film and a shitty camera to take naked pictures of your nephew. That's convenience.

    I would imagine that all the smart pedos use digital now. No pesky developing to get you caught.
    Titmouse wrote: »
    People can masturbate to shit they would never do in real life. For example, there is a ton of rape porn.

    Isn't that also illegal in a lot of places? Maybe not. But yeah, anytime I want to be saddened at the state of humanity, I can just look to the porn industry. Not that porn is in and of itself horrible or anything, but seriously it's like every flaw you can imagine with humanity has its own subgenre of niche porn.

    Including, apparently, fake animated kiddie porn.

  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime "We're ready to believe you..." FireSideWizardRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm half and half on this. If they ban one thing, then soon something else, and something else. It leads to a scary place.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    seriously man, I saw the article, thought it would make conversation, and posted it. I don't like the stuff, so I could care less if they ban it, in fact, I'm all for it. That's all there is to my position. The end. If anyone else feels the need to add more, that's what the thread is here for.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You aren't supposed to be for banning shit just because you don't like it. You are supposed to be for banning shit because it is actually harmful to society in some way. I don't like shit porn, but I don't want videos of cleveland steamers banned.

  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    He's calling you a troll because you're arguing for the implementation of thoughtcrime.

    Only, even most thoughtcrime is thought to protect people in some (misguided) way. This is just "the way you think creeps me out".

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Church wrote: »
    Yeah but I'm not about to invite you into my quarters to watch me whack off to rape porn.
    I'd hope not. Though, if someone says "huh huh huh, I look at rape porn and whack off, huh huh huh", I'm probably not gonna talk to them that much any more. And, not just because it's TMI.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The thing is this:

    It is not illegal to write about or draw illegal things. I can freely write a book about some guy that snorts coke through the entire book. Or rapes people. Or murders people. Or whatever. That is a freedom that should be upheld and maybe even advertised and reiterated to society over and over.

    How is kiddie porn any different? The artist isn't engaging in the act the same way the artist who writes about murder isn't committing murder or the same way the artist who draws superheros shooting fireballs out of their eyes isn't actually shooting fireballs out of his eyes.

    I agree that these is a difference between graphic art and literature. Is a painting first person? Third person? Zero person? I'm not sure it is analagous. Still, should it be protected expression? Until it can be proven that the existence of said material distinctly causes harm, yes, it should.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Nerissa wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    plus, most of this stuff is in comic book form, and that opens up a whole new can of worms as to who gets their hands on it. I'm not saying "lol if a kid gets it he'll be a pedo bear". but the fact is that it does conform to a medium that shares a lot of shelf space with your average comic book.

    The chief misconception here is that kids read comic books. (They don't.) If they had kiddie porn cell phone themes I might be more worried.

    awesome.

    ::shrug:: I'm against kiddie porn in all forms, it's sickening to me, so I'll support legislation to put a stop to it in all forms.

    If they wanted to ban something I liked, like regular porn, I'd speak out for it.

    I guess we could just sit back and see who comes out to defend their right to have animated kiddie porn.

    right?

    OK, see, here's where you've got a double standard going.

    Many, and I mean MANY very vocal people feel that "mainstream" porn is, by definition, abusive and degrading to women.

    But you're all fine and dandy with that, so I guess you're all about abusing women too, right? (see what I did there? ;-) )

    nice.

    fucking women deserve a good ass kicking sometimes though. lemme go draw that on a piece of paper :)

    Bah, the "Draw a Horse" thread proved that nobody in D&D had any artistic talent whatsoever, so it'll probably be a couple of unrecognizable stick figures anyway. :P

    edit: ack, that did NOT deserve TOTP

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Church wrote: »
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    He's calling you a troll because you're arguing for the implementation of thoughtcrime.

    Only, even most thoughtcrime is thought to protect people in some (misguided) way. This is just "the way you think creeps me out".

    Still, trolling would be if I came in and said "ban anime, it's gay!" I just have an opinion he doesn't agree with, and no real argument to back it up other than "I don't like it, so I'd vote against it" that makes me a shitty debater, not a troll

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  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Nerissa wrote: »
    Bah, the "Draw a Horse" thread proved that nobody in D&D had any artistic talent whatsoever, so it'll probably be a couple of unrecognizable stick figures anyway. :P

    What do you have against xkcd's little known porn spinoff?!

  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    seriously man, I saw the article, thought it would make conversation, and posted it. I don't like the stuff, so I could care less if they ban it, in fact, I'm all for it. That's all there is to my position. The end. If anyone else feels the need to add more, that's what the thread is here for.

    Your position is pretty terrible and I hope you don't vote. You find something unsettling? Quick lets ban it, I find all manner of porno disgusting as all hell. That doesn't give me justification to ban it. I need a reason from a moral stand point. I mean really, can you not see how dumb your position actually is? It's because of people like you that we get people like Maria Eagle. Who funnily enough, claims this isn't censorship, apparently she works using a very specal definition of censorship.

  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    If they wanted to ban something I liked, like regular porn, I'd speak out for it.

    First they came for yadda yadda yadda you get the drill. And yeah, thankfully, someone will come out to defend it.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Church wrote: »
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    He's calling you a troll because you're arguing for the implementation of thoughtcrime.

    Only, even most thoughtcrime is thought to protect people in some (misguided) way. This is just "the way you think creeps me out".

    Still, trolling would be if I came in and said "ban anime, it's gay!" I just have an opinion he doesn't agree with, and no real argument to back it up other than "I don't like it, so I'd vote against it" that makes me a shitty debater, not a troll

    I agree. Just sayin'.

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  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    GungHo wrote: »
    Church wrote: »
    Yeah but I'm not about to invite you into my quarters to watch me whack off to rape porn.
    I'd hope not. Though, if someone says "huh huh huh, I look at rape porn and whack off, huh huh huh", I'm probably not gonna talk to them that much any more. And, not just because it's TMI.

    No, it's because you're a self-righteous snob, got it.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    No more discussion of trolling, please. Take the OP as serious and argue it as such. If there's trolling going on, either report it or trust a mod to handle it, but don't bitch about it in-thread.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    Nerissa wrote: »
    Bah, the "Draw a Horse" thread proved that nobody in D&D had any artistic talent whatsoever, so it'll probably be a couple of unrecognizable stick figures anyway. :P

    What do you have against xkcd's little known porn spinoff?!

    <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

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  • NATIKNATIK Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It is already illegal here in Denmark, I am kind of in an "ehh..." position about it, on one side I think it's stupid to outlaw, because no one gets hurt by it being legal (I mean should we also ban violent drawings, drawings of murders and so forth?), on the other side it is very creepy but as others have said, that shouldn't be a reason to ban it (murder drawings can get very creepy aswell).

    I wish I could have our Minister of Justice taken out behind Christiansborg (were our parliament sits) and have her shot for her stupid ideas of justice (this law is not the only kneejerk one she has produced).
    To put it into perspective, they ban looking at loli BUT they don't ban animal sex, crazy fuckers.

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  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    seriously man, I saw the article, thought it would make conversation, and posted it. I don't like the stuff, so I could care less if they ban it, in fact, I'm all for it. That's all there is to my position. The end. If anyone else feels the need to add more, that's what the thread is here for.

    The fact that you keep asserting that this is about who here "likes kiddie porn" is why I'm calling you a troll.

    If you're not a troll then you are, at best, seriously misguided and lacking any sort of facts to back up your assertions.

    Namely, you've directly claimed that simulating an illegal act "promotes" it.

    Back that up, Jack Thompson. Provide some credible evidence of this.

  • Fatty McBeardoFatty McBeardo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS. I CAN ORDER KITTY PORN STATUES ON THE WEBZ. THEY EVEN HAD THEM IN GREECE AND ROME

    35201.lg.jpg

    Those fucking renaissance painting freaks were purveyors of pornography! Somebody alert Sean Hannity!

    http://www.germany.info/relaunch/info/publications/infocus/GloryOfDresden/Photos/AndreaMantegnaN-02.jpg

  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

    My answer is that there is no line. There is no appropriate line and there never will be, ever. There is no non-harmful media that should ever, ever, EVER been banned. Ever.

    The point is that hand-drawn kiddie porn not not directly contribute harm to society. It has also not been sufficiently proven to indirectly cause harm. That is the meridian beyond which media should pass before it becomes reasonable to consider banning it. Kiddie porn that does not actually use minors in its creation has not been proven to be harmful to children or society and it is not reasonable to (a) assume it is or (b) ban it for any other reason.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

    we can basically allow any sick shit we want as long as it's not hurting anyone

    edit: the line needs to be drawn with furry porn

    sometimes you just gotta do a thing
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    Namely, you've directly claimed that simulating an illegal act "promotes" it.

    It's not unreasonable to claim that granting legitimacy to something creates a social acceptance for it, which can indirectly "promote" it.

    I don't see that applying to kiddie porn, though. People who enjoy the stuff are pretty objectively fucked in the head. It's not like non-disturbed people are going to suddenly take a liking to it. And one could argue that by keeping fake kiddie porn legal, its patrons are more likely to be found out, which will make it more likely they get (or are forced to seek) counseling.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS. I CAN ORDER KITTY PORN STATUES ON THE WEBZ. THEY EVEN HAD THEM IN GREECE AND ROME

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  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm having a hard time taking this discussion seriously because the OP's position is so weak that I can't help but think he's either trolling or refining his own arguments by role-playing the other side.

    how many times are you going to call me a troll for not liking kiddie porn?

    seriously man, I saw the article, thought it would make conversation, and posted it. I don't like the stuff, so I could care less if they ban it, in fact, I'm all for it. That's all there is to my position. The end. If anyone else feels the need to add more, that's what the thread is here for.

    The fact that you keep asserting that this is about who here "likes kiddie porn" is why I'm calling you a troll.

    If you're not a troll then you are, at best, seriously misguided and lacking any sort of facts to back up your assertions.

    Namely, you've directly claimed that simulating an illegal act "promotes" it.

    Back that up, Jack Thompson. Provide some credible evidence of this.

    First off, and sorry if you didn't catch it, but I never said those who oppose this like kiddie porn, everyone here seems to have gotten that strawman-reverso joke but you. Sorry you didn't get it. So let's just put that in a box somewhere and keep it in a safe place, it's no longer a vaid argument.

    Second, I never directly said this promotes the actual act. I said it would be bad if the traditional medium, comic book form, fell into the hands of a child, and then I asked if this was protected under free speech, and if everyone agreed or disagreed with that.

    anything else?

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    The point is that hand-drawn kiddie porn not not directly contribute harm to society. It has also not been sufficiently proven to indirectly cause harm. That is the meridian beyond which media should pass before it becomes reasonable to consider banning it. Kiddie porn that does not actually use minors in its creation has not been proven to be harmful to children or society and it is not reasonable to (a) assume it is or (b) ban it for any other reason.

    Wisdom, here.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Well, apparently there is a line to be drawn, and it has been. As of right now, it's just south of (real) child porn. And, I believe in some jurisdictions, rape porn.

    I can only imagine that the justification for the latter is that it might be difficult to sift through all the rape porn out there and figure out if any of it is depiction of actual rapes. Plus, you know, the fact that in most jurisdictions I don't think you can't waive your right to withdraw consent in the middle of sex (so even with a signed contract to do the film, it could theoretically still depict a rape).

    But CGI hasn't yet hit the point where animated/generated child porn indistinguishable from the real thing is easily produced. So not as much of an issue, there.

  • StarcrossStarcross Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

    What do you think about films like Saw? I assume you're opposed to the kind of things that happen in these films. Should they be banned? If not what makes this different?

  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS. I CAN ORDER KITTY PORN STATUES ON THE WEBZ. THEY EVEN HAD THEM IN GREECE AND ROME

    35201.lg.jpg

    Those fucking renaissance painting freaks were purveyors of pornography! Somebody alert Sean Hannity!

    http://www.germany.info/relaunch/info/publications/infocus/GloryOfDresden/Photos/AndreaMantegnaN-02.jpg

    okay, once again, the law was never against traditional art, just acts of child sexual abuse in art. got anything else?

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

    Do you have any evidence that any of this is morally wrong? No? That is where the line is, when you can prove demonstrable harm. You can’t, that as they say, is the end of that. Whereas this law would create harm, to those who get three years because we find what they jack off to to be creepy.

    Also a take on this from a non-shitty new organisation. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article4023121.ece

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS. I CAN ORDER KITTY PORN STATUES ON THE WEBZ. THEY EVEN HAD THEM IN GREECE AND ROME

    Cherub

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS. I CAN ORDER KITTY PORN STATUES ON THE WEBZ. THEY EVEN HAD THEM IN GREECE AND ROME

    35201.lg.jpg

    Those fucking renaissance painting freaks were purveyors of pornography! Somebody alert Sean Hannity!

    http://www.germany.info/relaunch/info/publications/infocus/GloryOfDresden/Photos/AndreaMantegnaN-02.jpg

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Well, apparently there is a line to be drawn, and it has been. As of right now, it's just south of (real) child porn. And, I believe in some jurisdictions, rape porn.

    I can only imagine that the justification for the latter is that it might be difficult to sift through all the rape porn out there and figure out if any of it is depiction of actual rapes. Plus, you know, the fact that in most jurisdictions I don't think you can't waive your right to withdraw consent in the middle of sex (so even with a signed contract to do the film, it could theoretically still depict a rape).

    But CGI hasn't yet hit the point where animated/generated child porn indistinguishable from the real thing is easily produced. So not as much of an issue, there.

    I in fact mentioned this last page, but it was buried in righteous indignation and trolling accusations.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Starcross wrote: »
    Drez, you made a good point there, "how is this any different".

    Thing is though, everyone keeps saying, "well, if we ban x, y will be next"

    Well, what happens when we keep allowing x, then y?

    Is there a line to eventually be drawn, weather this is it or not? I'm not advocating thoughtcrime intentionally, that was never my purpose, but seriously, how much sick shit are we going to keep allowing to cross in front of us before it's just too much?

    Maybe a little more moderation wouldn't be such a bad thing?

    What do you think about films like Saw? I assume you're opposed to the kind of things that happen in these films. Should they be banned? If not what makes this different?

    Lacks "the children."

  • ChurchChurch Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    KITTY PORN

    You sick fuck.

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  • [Tycho?][Tycho?] Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I am opposed to thoughtcrime, personally. Drawings aren't real people. Get a grip.

    Yeah. Were kids harmed? No? Then fuck off.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    But CGI hasn't yet hit the point where animated/generated child porn indistinguishable from the real thing is easily produced. So not as much of an issue, there.

    I in fact mentioned this last page, but it was buried in righteous indignation and trolling accusations.

    Oh, I know. I figured it bore repeating (and another pointing out that it's not really an issue yet) as well.

    That, and I had to think for a second how you can justify making rape porn illegal and not this, and decided to do it out loud (to point out the difference from child porn).

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    Church wrote: »
    KITTY PORN

    You sick fuck.

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    :?:

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