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[WoW] I, for one, welcome our Retribution overlords [Paladins]

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  • WavechaserWavechaser Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

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  • reVersereVerse Never odd or even Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

    But where's the fun in that?

    Also, the Holy leveling build from the old thread is horrible.

  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

    It's just because he does this shit all the time. I'm being mean today, I know. BUT HE DESERVES IT.

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  • WavechaserWavechaser Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    reVerse wrote: »
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

    But where's the fun in that?

    Also, the Holy leveling build from the old thread is horrible.

    You're right of course. Carry on.

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  • kaleeditykaleedity Sometimes science is more art than science Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    The problem with Paladins is that they're so easy to lockdown. A Druid can throw his HoTs and still heal while being CC'd, a Priest can HoT, shield or PoM, and Shaman have Earth Shield. Druids and Shaman also have Nature's Swiftness to throw an instant big heal the moment they regain control of their character. A Paladin has none of this.

    Well that sucks. I just x-ferred my 70 pally over to my buddies server and was having quite a bit of fun healing in BG's and such, and was hoping to one day maybe get some Arena in for him. I'm not going to even attempt it though if it's going to be nothing but a frustrating mess like it is on my other characters.

    Paladins are highly functional in 5s. The main problem comparing pvp healers now is that resto druids and disc/holy priests are among the top ~3 most successful class types among all bracket sizes. That includes non-healing class types.

    Paladins tend to be roughly as successful in 5s as the other healers. That opinion is based off of generalizations from looking at charts plotting class quantities against their ratings.

    Paladin/warlock and paladin/warrior can be kind of successful in 2s as well. You'll probably instantly lose to some popular teams, though.
    Varethius wrote: »
    Oh yeh, with the mention of ret aura.... if someone in my party gets hit and ret aura does damage to the mob. Will that be threat be generated by me because it's my buff or will the threat be generated by the person who got hit because the buff damage is coming from them? (if that even makes sense O_o)

    I was told it'd be the latter case by someone who apearently had a 70 pally on another server >.>;;

    Reflective damage from thorns/ret aura generates threat for the guy taking damage. The latter guy was correct.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

    He has 20 mins. 20 mins and we break out the locks and the socks.

  • SabinXLSabinXL Registered User
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    Unless every team runs with a dispeller now, I really don't see how Paladins dropped to the bottom of the barrel for Arena Healing.

    I'm not sure why you're even asking this, you played a rogue.

    The paladin has no instants to speak of. This severely limits their maneuverability and healing capability when smart players with stuns/interrupts are on them. Things like mind numbing and curse of tongues make healing with your primary heal (holy light) even more arduous. Flash of Light's throughput is far too low to even consider useful and any kind of competitive arena play, and our failsafe skills have been reduced in effectiveness by a large margin.

    In short, a lot of what the paladin used to be able to bring to the table has either been mitigated through patch changes or countered by players who actually realized how easy it is to shut down a paladin. Doesn't matter how long you live if you can't land a heal on your allies. You can thank Blizzard for trying to make the Paladin a hybrid at the start and going back on what they said, effectively making Holy Paladins piss poor clerics in their current form.

  • WavechaserWavechaser Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    SabinXL wrote: »
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    Unless every team runs with a dispeller now, I really don't see how Paladins dropped to the bottom of the barrel for Arena Healing.

    I'm not sure why you're even asking this, you played a rogue.

    The paladin has no instants to speak of. This severely limits his maneuverability and healing capability when smart players with stuns/interrupts are on them. Things like mind numbing and curse of tongues make healing with your primary heal (holy light) even more arduous. Flash of Light's throughput is far too low to even consider useful and any kind of competitive arena play, and our failsafe skills have been reduced in effectiveness by a large margin.

    In short, a lot of what the paladin used to be able to bring to the table has either been mitigated through patch changes or countered by players who actually realized how easy it is to shut down a paladin. Doesn't matter how long you live if you can't land a heal on your allies.

    Yeah I played a Rogue, and in 2's and 3's it was almost impossible to lock down a Pally. Why? Bubble! Even if I caused them to pop it early, the free reset usually gives the team enough of an advantage to win the match. (at least in my experience)

    I could sit there stunlock the fuck out of a Paladin, even if they pop a trinket at the wrong time (before I land my KS), they still always bubble by the time i've worn them down to less than 10% of their health. During that time, they have been healing themselves, maybe healing their teammates, and their teammates have been focus firing your healer or another DPS.

    The bubble is a free instant "reset", that basically causes everyone that was focus firing the paladin to pull off and essentially start over. Meanwhile, their team has been making progress on wearing you down. So you can either focus fire the plate wearing asshole who gets a free do-over, or try and focus fire a dps over a paladin's healing, which usually ends horrible because the Pally can just throw a bubble on the guy getting FF'd. Either way you are forced into a shitty situation.

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  • SabreMauSabreMau Still featuring glasses. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    Yeah I played a Rogue,
    Yeah, that'd do it. A paladin against a rogue in a 2v2 situation usually doesn't end well for the rogue's team. But against teams that can bypass a BoP put on a warrior, it's not quite as effective.

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    bubble is 12 seconds every five minutes

    which means that once the paladin blows their bubble and they have forbearance, you have more or less won if you have one of: a kick, counterspell, pummel, earth shock, spell lock or a good cycloner

    the only thing that paladins have is mobility (BoF) and a good way to avoid CC (BoSac) but both of those are pretty useless when you are either out of line of sight of your dps buddy and or have your holy school locked down

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  • rizriz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I think the answer here is just go ret for PVP, mirite? (The only paladin with s3 shoulders in my guild did it as ret, heh.)

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    i'd say ret is a superior pvp spec than holy at the moment, but it suffers from a lot of the same things holy does, in that it requires super specific team compositions to be effective

    definitely more satisfying in the arenas, though i enjoyed holy in battlegrounds more than anything

    so on another note, since i quit playing till wotlk i'm thinking about leveling holy again

    i can heal and tank effectively as ret but there's something about holy that does a queer rp thing to my mind where i read through all the quests and /flirt with titon fordring

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    What the hell

    This thread title is a lie

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  • Soviet WaffleSoviet Waffle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    SabreMau wrote: »
    Well, Seal of Vengeance can be resisted, Blood and Command are basically extra melee attacks (can be missed/dodged/parried, but not resisted), and Righteousness is guaranteed as long as the melee swing connects.

    Well, I mean that if your melee swing misses you're not going to have a chance to even proc a seal.

    Edit: Jesus I missed a lot of posts

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  • VarethiusVarethius Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    What the hell

    This thread title is a lie

    I think he just did that to get your attention and give you false hope to lure you in =p

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  • formatformat Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    does anyone do this 'seal twisting' thing i have heard about?

    You don't know if I am joking or not.
  • rehtonAesoohCrehtonAesoohC Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    format wrote: »
    does anyone do this 'seal twisting' thing i have heard about?

    Not if it's remotely related to 'seal clubbing.'

    Ba dum psh!

    Was wowed by Rift so I'm trying that now.
  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You mean mixing SoR and SoV? I'll do that sometimes depending on mana and cooldowns.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Wavechaser wrote: »
    You guys are brutal. Give him some time to update the OP before going apeshit on him.

    He has 20 mins. 20 mins and we break out the locks and the socks.

    Is that 20 mins from then or 20 mins from when I logged on 10 mins ago?

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    From then. Just ignore the rogue behind you about to sap you.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Ok well I rewrote the Holy paragraph, as I stole that one from Munkus. the other ones I had already rewritten. Rewrote the introduction, and put in Sabremau's Retribution spec and my Protection spec. I'm not entirely sure what a good Holy spec is though. I know its supposed to be 41/20, but I can't figure out whether I'm supposed to be taking Blessed Life or something.

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Ok well I rewrote the Holy paragraph, as I stole that one from Munkus. the other ones I had already rewritten. Rewrote the introduction, and put in Sabremau's Retribution spec and my Protection spec. I'm not entirely sure what a good Holy spec is though. I know its supposed to be 41/20, but I can't figure out whether I'm supposed to be taking Blessed Life or something.

    this is the standard holy build for both pvp and pve

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    oh uh pvp specs i guess

    there is no pvp prot spec

    holy is the same as up there

    this is for ret pvp (though you can move things around a lot)

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    From then. Just ignore the rogue behind you about to sap you.

    what are the locks and the socks for?

    Tube-san wrote:
    I apologise for my rudeness desu.
  • Soviet WaffleSoviet Waffle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Might want to include the situational (As in, you have enough Paladins in 25-mans) Holy buffbot spec that gets Imp Might

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    From then. Just ignore the rogue behind you about to sap you.

    what are the locks and the socks for?

    A very basic improvised weapon.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    my old maths teacher used to threaten to beat us with a sock full of diarrhea

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    Might want to include the situational (As in, you have enough Paladins in 25-mans) Holy buffbot spec that gets Imp Might

    no screw you nobody deserves that

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  • Soviet WaffleSoviet Waffle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    But... but there's still no difference in gameplay!

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    nobody!

    rhymes with

    blow me

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  • EchoEcho staring is caring Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    Little Jim wrote: »
    holy is the same as up there

    Getting killing blows by throwing your shield in someone's teeth is awesome though. :^:

    edit: quoted wrong part. whatever.

  • Soviet WaffleSoviet Waffle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Little Jim wrote: »
    nobody!

    rhymes with

    blow me

    But.... But you're on NotSargeras, so far away from Vantha.

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    Little Jim wrote: »
    nobody!

    rhymes with

    blow me

    But.... But you're on NotSargeras, so far away from Vantha.

    i actually quit the game

    which makes my constant poasts even more confusing

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  • Soviet WaffleSoviet Waffle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    How could you quit the game knowing I could never quit you?

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  • Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2008
    because i am the most cruel mistress

    mastress?

    matress

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Little Jim wrote: »
    because i am the most cruel mistress

    mastress?

    matress
    Spoiler:

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So, at 49, there is a tankadin on my server who has invested all his points in prot and has neither reckoning, blessing of sanctuary, holy shield nor ardent defender. Oh, I specced ret prematurely (at 49) so that this guy could tank our mara run, since we were both prot. WHOOPS.

    And the worst...IMP DEVO AURA D:

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    not having sanctity aura is ok, all your points in prot at level 49 is perfectly understandable as there are almost as many talent points in Prot to take that are nice as there are talent points to SPEND (bloated ass fucking tree). However at level 49, nothing hits hard enough to bypass Ardent Defender and with PuG healers I spent a lot of time below 35%

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    not having sanctity aura is ok, all your points in prot at level 49 is perfectly understandable as there are almost as many talent points in Prot to take that are nice as there are talent points to SPEND (bloated ass fucking tree). However at level 49, nothing hits hard enough to bypass Ardent Defender and with PuG healers I spent a lot of time below 35%

    Er
    Blessing of sanctuary.

    Oh and yes. Apparently he HAD holy shield, he just never used it!

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Erios wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    not having sanctity aura is ok, all your points in prot at level 49 is perfectly understandable as there are almost as many talent points in Prot to take that are nice as there are talent points to SPEND (bloated ass fucking tree). However at level 49, nothing hits hard enough to bypass Ardent Defender and with PuG healers I spent a lot of time below 35%

    Er
    Blessing of sanctuary.

    I never used it and still don't unless in Hyjal and only then if I can have Kings AND Sanctuary.

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