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Like, Alternative Music

aquabataquabat Registered User
edited December 2006 in Debate and/or Discourse
What're you listening to in terms of um... *ahem* ... alternative rock?
'Fess up, its Nickelback, isnt it? Followed by some crying to James Blunt


I just found Tunng's cover of Block Party's Pioneers. Its such a great version... I highly recommend. Block Party are about the only 'New Wave' band I really go into.

Also been listening to a lot of Godspeed and Explosions in the Sky. Man I love that stuff. So very very very good.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I figured it's indie rock, but then that's a stupid genre tag, too, but either way I'm still loving the hell out of the Constantines. I guess that's all I really have to add now.

    Oh -- Hot Chip is grand, too. They're like synthy electropop. Both of these artists have myspace pages with free music, but I'm too lazy to link to them right now.

    Oh -- and I also hate the shit out of Belle and Sebastien, but I've also heard the Avalanches remix and I'm a little mad to admit that it is indeed good. Like Aqua said, this is obviously attributable to the Avalanches and not Belle and Sebastien.

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  • HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Bear with me, but I really don´t know if they count as "Alternative Music" but I think I´ll throw in "The Arctic Monkeys", Maximo Park" and "The Kaiser Chiefs".
    I´m loving the hell out of them right now.
    :^:

  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Haphazard wrote:
    Bear with me, but I really don´t know if they count as "Alternative Music" but I think I´ll throw in "The Arctic Monkeys", Maximo Park" and "The Kaiser Chiefs".
    I´m loving the hell out of them right now.
    :^:
    I've listened to The Arctic Monkeys and I didn't get what was so exciting about them. Then again, it was in the middle of this huge run on listening to every indie rock band whose name I saw get dropped, so that might have worked against them.

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  • HaphazardHaphazard Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    Haphazard wrote:
    Bear with me, but I really don´t know if they count as "Alternative Music" but I think I´ll throw in "The Arctic Monkeys", Maximo Park" and "The Kaiser Chiefs".
    I´m loving the hell out of them right now.
    :^:
    I've listened to The Arctic Monkeys and I didn't get what was so exciting about them. Then again, it was in the middle of this huge run on listening to every indie rock band whose name I saw get dropped, so that might have worked against them.

    Their music is simple fun, that´s why I like it. But not everyone has the same taste (thank god).
    So... do they count?
    :|

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited July 2006
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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Haphazard wrote:
    celery77 wrote:
    I've listened to The Arctic Monkeys and I didn't get what was so exciting about them. Then again, it was in the middle of this huge run on listening to every indie rock band whose name I saw get dropped, so that might have worked against them.
    Their music is simple fun, that´s why I like it. But not everyone has the same taste (thank god).
    So... do they count?
    :|
    Yeah, they're more or less what alt-rock has become in this day and age. They're rocking, no doubt, but I dunno, it just doesn't particularly catch my attention.

    Then again, I never really got on the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! bandwagon after I heard that album 2 or 3 times either.

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I think CYHSY! is rad.

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  • GimGim gossamer and quicksilver Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Opinions on Rilo Kiley? I remember liking what I'd heard of them before. And hey, it has one of the kids from Salute Your Shorts.

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  • gundam470gundam470 Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Poldy wrote:
    Lately, I've been listening to Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!, The Arcade Fire, and Wolf Parade.
    Fuck yeah to the first two (haven't heard any Wolf Parade) and also the New Pornographers.

    Arcade Fire's album, Funeral, is way too kick ass. Anybody who was considering listening to them must get this album immediately

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I went to the Siren Music Festival last weekend. Turns out Man Man kick fucking ass. Stars are good too. And Art Brut are pretty fun.

  • Lobster JohnsonLobster Johnson Registered User
    edited July 2006
    "alternative rock"

    I haven't heard that term used since 1997.

    Such a stupid fucking term.

    "Alternative rock". It's been a useless misnomer since the early 90s. If a band is calling themselves that, or is being called it by anyone, safe money is not on them being "alternative" at all, if such a thing even exists.

    The music industry has bored so deeply into the medium I doubt there's many truly "alternative" acts or genres left.

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  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    If you like underground rock at all, you have to listen to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel. It's amazing, and their contemporaries like Olivia Tremor Control and Apples in Stereo were also really great as well. As for newer stuff, I've been listening to The Microphones, Man Man, Architecture in Helsinki, Islands, and of course a little more well known stuff like The Arcade Fire, Wolf Parade, Sufjan Stevens, Broken Social Scene etc. In my opinion anyone who thinks modern music is bad just isn't looking hard enough.
    The music industry has bored so deeply into the medium I doubt there's many truly "alternative" acts or genres left.

    Especially stuff like that. That's just not true at all.

  • KusuguttaiKusuguttai __BANNED USERS
    edited July 2006
    "alternative rock"

    I haven't heard that term used since 1997.

    Such a stupid fucking term.

    "Alternative rock". It's been a useless misnomer since the early 90s. If a band is calling themselves that, or is being called it by anyone, safe money is not on them being "alternative" at all, if such a thing even exists.

    The music industry has bored so deeply into the medium I doubt there's many truly "alternative" acts or genres left.
    what crawled up your ass and died? Alternative Rock is anything that's not just plain Rock, I.E., the Eagles, The Who, etc.

  • Lobster JohnsonLobster Johnson Registered User
    edited July 2006
    Food wrote:
    If you like underground rock at all, you have to listen to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel. It's amazing, and their contemporaries like Olivia Tremor Control and Apples in Stereo were also really great as well. As for newer stuff, I've been listening to The Microphones, Man Man, Architecture in Helsinki, Islands, and of course a little more well known stuff like The Arcade Fire, Wolf Parade, Sufjan Stevens, Broken Social Scene etc. In my opinion anyone who thinks modern music is bad just isn't looking hard enough.
    The music industry has bored so deeply into the medium I doubt there's many truly "alternative" acts or genres left.

    Especially stuff like that. That's just not true at all.

    Oh, I'm not saying modern music is bad. You can't encapsulate all of music into a time period and rate it, that's preposterous.

    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.

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  • MartmanMartman Registered User
    edited July 2006
    Would The Unicorns and Islands count? I think they would.

    Also most of the stuff other people have been saying.

    EDIT:
    Oh, I'm not saying modern music is bad. You can't encapsulate all of music into a time period and rate it, that's preposterous.

    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.
    The way I think of it is, "alternative" was used to describe a certain kind of music a while ago. Whether or not that kind of music has become more mainstream now, it would be very confusing to change the names of all these genres depending on their popularity. So instead we refer to things as alternative rock when they sound similar to the rock that really was "alternative" a decade ago.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.
    It's just a name for a genre, not necessarily a literal description of the music's place in the mainstream v. underground landscape. Literary critics from the 1920s are still called New Critics, despite the fact that there have been a considerable number of critical approaches which have been tried out since their time.

    Basically it's just a name, man, not a literal description.

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  • Lobster JohnsonLobster Johnson Registered User
    edited July 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.
    It's just a name for a genre, not necessarily a literal description of the music's place in the mainstream v. underground landscape. Literary critics from the 1920s are still called New Critics, despite the fact that there have been a considerable number of critical approaches which have been tried out since their time.

    Basically it's just a name, man, not a literal description.
    Oh, I know that :)

    It's just such a stupid name. I dunno why, it just really pisses me off. Probably because even though it is just a name, that whole underground vs mainstream is right there under the surface, from the reason it's "name" is alternative to the reason a whole bunch of 14 year-old kids still cling to the term like it's a badge of honour or something.

    I dunno.

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  • strakha_7strakha_7 Registered User
    edited July 2006
    mm well, first of all, it's Bloc party, not Block :( And they are awesome-amazing fantastic. It's a great album I think, though I haven't heard the cover you are talking about there.

    Clap Your Hands Say Yeah I am really digging, and anyone who has only heard new Broken Social Scene should check out their "You Forgot it in People" disc.

    The original reason I came to the forum tonight was to find a topic to post this piece of news, and I think here is the right place to put it. If there were any fans of Kasabian's debut, their single is getting played on a local radio station tonight around 12-1230 EST (about 1-1.5 hours from now). I only heard this news a few minutes ago. This will be your first chance to hear it (regardless of where you live, EU, NA, NZ) and I know I won't be missing it. www.edge.ca, listen live for its broadcast (no ad's either for the next two hours).

    The Arctic Monkeys take a few listens to get into. In the first place they are British, so if you arne't British the lyrics will be nonsense for a long time to you unless you have many Brit friends that don't mind translating, as it were, for you. In the second, they are all about the blistering beats. And I like that.

    I'm not sure if Whitey would qualify as Alternative - but I'm digging them too.

    On the topic of Alternative music in general - to me, it has meant the kind of music that wasn't generally heard on most radio stations. This applied up until the Grunge explosion (in North American music culture anyways) and now there is no alternative except totally off-the-wall experimental music. I wouldn't rush to name any music that I listen to Alternative. If you must label any kind of music, there is usually at least one other word you could use to describe a song you might call "alternative." Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!, for example, I would call "New Wave" or "Byrne-like." :P

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  • aquabataquabat Registered User
    edited July 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.
    It's just a name for a genre, not necessarily a literal description of the music's place in the mainstream v. underground landscape. Literary critics from the 1920s are still called New Critics, despite the fact that there have been a considerable number of critical approaches which have been tried out since their time.

    Basically it's just a name, man, not a literal description.
    Oh, I know that :)

    It's just such a stupid name. I dunno why, it just really pisses me off. Probably because even though it is just a name, that whole underground vs mainstream is right there under the surface, from the reason it's "name" is alternative to the reason a whole bunch of 14 year-old kids still cling to the term like it's a badge of honour or something.

    I dunno.

    [/end rant]

    I had the same misgivings coming up with the title, but it was the only thing that, when read, people knew what was going on. The term 'alternative' doesnt really annoy me, but fucking 'grunge' does. I know a guy who still calls anything with a guitar 'grunge'

    And fuck, anything really goes in this thread. Anything thats not Hip Hop or Classical or Dance really.

  • stiliststilist Registered User
    edited July 2006
    aquabat wrote:
    And fuck, anything really goes in this thread. Anything thats not Hip Hop or Classical or Dance really.
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  • aquabataquabat Registered User
    edited July 2006
    stilist wrote:
    aquabat wrote:
    And fuck, anything really goes in this thread. Anything thats not Hip Hop or Classical or Dance really.
    Adge Cutler and the Wurzels?

    Oh look, why not?

  • FoodFood Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Food wrote:
    If you like underground rock at all, you have to listen to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel. It's amazing, and their contemporaries like Olivia Tremor Control and Apples in Stereo were also really great as well. As for newer stuff, I've been listening to The Microphones, Man Man, Architecture in Helsinki, Islands, and of course a little more well known stuff like The Arcade Fire, Wolf Parade, Sufjan Stevens, Broken Social Scene etc. In my opinion anyone who thinks modern music is bad just isn't looking hard enough.
    The music industry has bored so deeply into the medium I doubt there's many truly "alternative" acts or genres left.

    Especially stuff like that. That's just not true at all.

    Oh, I'm not saying modern music is bad. You can't encapsulate all of music into a time period and rate it, that's preposterous.

    But to say something is an alternative? An alternative to what? All that was once "alternative" is now just as mainstream as pop, which makes it...well, not alternative. There are bands that are lesser known than other bands, but not really part of an "alternative" genre.

    I wouldn't really say that... I mean, the term alternative didn't really come into use until the 80's and even then the music it encapsulated wasn't really all that different from what was popular. I mean, it's all rock and roll, it's not like it diverges that much. I guess what I'm saying is that there never really was an alternative genre. Actually I'd say the term 'alternative' is even more meaningful now than it was 10 years ago. With news of new underground music spreading so rapidly on the internet, the divide between the mainstream and everything else has become even wider. I mean, there are people like Sufjan Stevens and The Arcade Fire who are extremely well-known and yet can never be heard on mainstream radio. To me, that is alternative.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    Haphazard wrote:
    Bear with me, but I really don´t know if they count as "Alternative Music" but I think I´ll throw in "The Arctic Monkeys", Maximo Park" and "The Kaiser Chiefs".
    I´m loving the hell out of them right now.
    :^:
    I've listened to The Arctic Monkeys and I didn't get what was so exciting about them. Then again, it was in the middle of this huge run on listening to every indie rock band whose name I saw get dropped, so that might have worked against them.

    Them and the Kaiser Chiefs just dont do it for me either, the monkeys are easier to listen to, but its the same damn thing and it isnt changing.

    As for the label "alternative". None of these bands really fit the "alternative label", which really was an early 90's pop label that went along with grunge(if i recall right).

    But if you like indy music, check out www.kexp.org, because its fantastic, free, plays just about everything mentioned here in this thread and more, and has 2 awesome(and 1 medicore) podcasts and a live broadcast archive that is fantastic.

    And to end with a question. Do "The Dears" count as alternative?

  • aquabataquabat Registered User
    edited July 2006
    Seriously, guys... fucking who cares about the label. Just discuss guitarry based music thats not Metal, Classic or Dance

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Mogwai is the shit.
    This isn't going to become a megathread is it?

    Seriously, guys... fucking who cares about the label. Just discuss guitarry based music thats not Metal, Classic or Dance

    Mogwai is the shit. I always had their albums on the iPod, but seeing them live made me a bonafide fan.
    I like their quieter, meditative tracks a lot more than the noise blasts, but that might be because I mostly listen to music on In Ear Monitor earphones and the soft LOUD dynamic isn't nearly as hard hitting as it is live.

  • thorpethorpe Registered User
    edited July 2006
    Does Sigur-Ros count? Because I have been listening to a lot of them.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    thorpe wrote:
    Does Sigur-Ros count? Because I have been listening to a lot of them.
    If a post-rock fan doesn't make a post-rock thread soon, I might do it for them, but they won't like what I have to say.

    Just sayin' I'd prefer not to talk about Mogwai and Sigur Ros and The Mars Volta and Muse and all those others that I am personally not so hot on all the time but that there are TONS of fans of on this board.

    (Although I like Sigur Ros, they're just too sleepy for me to listen to all the time)

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    Sigur Ros definitely counts as far as I'm concerned though others might disagree. And they're awesome.
    Oh, aqua, I agree that Avalanches are also awesome. They're like awesome injectors, taking other music and injecting loads of awesome and throwing it in a blender and producing a big milkshake of awesome.

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  • Low KeyLow Key Registered User
    edited July 2006
    I like basically everyone in this lineup

    Or I would do if I'd been able to get tickets. As it is ,they all suck and I hope a tidal wave hits Byron Bay tomorrow.

  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2006
    Low Key wrote:
    I like basically everyone in this lineup

    Or I would do if I'd been able to get tickets. As it is ,they all suck and I hope a tidal wave hits Byron Bay tomorrow.
    No-one mortal, or not shagging either Myf Warhurst or Robbie Buck can get tickets to that thing anymore.

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2006
    also, OH HOLY CHRIST I HATE HATE HATE WOLFMOTHER AND THEIR LAME ATTEMPTS TO BE LED ZEPPELIN DIIIIIEEEEE

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  • kitchkitch Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I think You'd Prefer An Astronaut was the pinnacle of alternative music.


    also
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    also, OH HOLY CHRIST I HATE HATE HATE WOLFMOTHER AND THEIR LAME ATTEMPTS TO BE LED ZEPPELIN DIIIIIEEEEE
    :^:

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
  • YosemiteSamYosemiteSam Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    celery77 wrote:
    thorpe wrote:
    Does Sigur-Ros count? Because I have been listening to a lot of them.
    If a post-rock fan doesn't make a post-rock thread soon, I might do it for them, but they won't like what I have to say.

    Just sayin' I'd prefer not to talk about Mogwai and Sigur Ros and The Mars Volta and Muse and all those others that I am personally not so hot on all the time but that there are TONS of fans of on this board.

    (Although I like Sigur Ros, they're just too sleepy for me to listen to all the time)
    I agree with what you're saying about Sigur Ros and I assume based on your post that you would also apply it to Mogwai, as I would. But I don't understand how you could relate those same criticisms to The Mars Volta, because they seem pretty unrelated to me. In all fairness, I haven't listened to Frances the Mute yet.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I just started listening to a bit of Miyavi, this J-rocker who plays fucking awesome blues slap guitar. Well, the one song I really like is blues slap guitar. It is, of course, called "Are you ready to ROCK?"

    The answer is yes. Yes I am.

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  • bakaHeadbakaHead Registered User
    edited July 2006
    Of Montreal is really good, and so is Mogwai. IMO anyways :D ooh and I forgot Pulp, I really like pulp.

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  • Porphyria PlanPorphyria Plan Registered User
    edited July 2006
    I have tried and tried and tried to enjoy Mogwai and I just can't. I can't recall what I didn't like though since it's been a while. Can someone point me in the direction of a couple of their good CDs with good songs? That'd really help me see if I'm missing something good.

    Going to see Appleseed Cast tonight at a local club and the wife and I are pretty excited but I think that might delve into another abhorrent genre label. :P

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I'd say Rock Action or Hunted by A Freak are Mogwais best albums. You might want to tryo Mr Beast thier most recent one though. it's not quite as good but its a little more accessible.

    Mogwai is really best listened to LOUD. If you don't have a good soundsystem try listening to it on headphones. It's the tiny little details that make it interesting and not so good stereos tend to not do thier music justice.

    Give it a chance. Took me months for Mogwai to really grow on me.

  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited July 2006
    I'd say Rock Action or Hunted by A Freak are Mogwais best albums. You might want to tryo Mr Beast thier most recent one though. it's not quite as good but its a little more accessible.

    Mogwai is really best listened to LOUD. If you don't have a good soundsystem try listening to it on headphones. It's the tiny little details that make it interesting and not so good stereos tend to not do thier music justice.

    Give it a chance. Took me months for Mogwai to really grow on me.

    Same here. I'd recommend Happy Songs for Happy People. The track Mogwai Fear Satan from their debut Young Team is considered their quintessential loudcore track.

    Alternatively, check out the live album, government commissions (BBC Sessions).

    Edit- Hunted by a Freak isn't the album name it's the first track on Happy Songs. I like that album a lot for it's layered sounds. It's hard to describe Mogwai, because their melodies are so simple, yet the music is hypnotic (in a completely different way from trance)

    My favorite individual tracks are:
    Kids Will Be Skeletons(Happy Songs)
    May Nothing But Happiness(Come on Die Young)
    Hunted By a Freak (Happy Songs)
    Killing All The Flies (Happy Songs)
    Helicon 2/New Paths to Helicon 2 (Ten Rapid/Government Commissions)

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