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[WishWeCouldPlay] Civilization: Revolution
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It might just be me, but it seemed like the AI's aggression level was related to how powerful my armies were: when my cities were well defended, the AI seemed much less likely to be aggressive towards me. And the AI attacking you when you're about to win is just good AI (I've noticed that the AI does the same thing on Civilization 4 on the highest difficulty levels).
I will admit that it's more difficult to play a completely pacifist strategy in Civilization Revolution than Civilization 4 (where if anything, the game favors the pacifist), but to be honest, I think that makes for a better game: if everyone's just doing their own thing that makes for a boring multiplayer game. My strategy with Civilization 4 always leaned towards the pacifist/builder side of the spectrum and though it's taken a bit of getting used to the system to adapt such a strategy to Civ Rev, from the look of things, it's still a very viable strategy. Some of the cities I've managed to create in Civ Rev are such sick monstrosities that they make my very best Civ 4 cities pale in comparison and this is in the demo when I've got a time limit: I can only imagine how monstrous your cities could get in the full game.
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I'm a big fan of 4X games, and have played the hell out of Civ4. That said, people should not be looking at Civ Rev to give an accurate representation of the Civ franchise on PC.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Civ Rev. I sorta look at it like Civ 4 Lite however. In Civ Rev a lot is streamlined and automated, and the game on a whole seams to be a lot faster paced. However in this streamlining process, a lot of nuances get lost. I'm sure a lot of old Civ (and SMAC) players remember carefully landscaping their cities early on to PopBoom - this isnt a viable strategy here. In fact, I seam to recall maxing out on cities really quite early in CivRev. It's just one example, but it does show just how different Civ Rev can be.
As RainbowDespair said however, pacifist strategies are possible... they just take a little bit of reworking. That and defense is a LOT more important in this game. Fuck in the old Civs baring the Mongols or something right next to you, you could easily last well into Iron/Gunpowder age with just your original warrior defending your Capital.
I'll still get it so I can nuke my friends tho.
what difficulty does the demo play on? the full game defaults to chieftan (easiest), in which case, yeah, you can win no matter what you do
Last night I played the game, and tried to avoid micro-managing which squares were being harvested and all that jazz. I think the micro-management must've been interfering with me being able to see the big picture last time, because I whupped them handily this time. Thanks! =)
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The demo only lets you play on the two easiest difficulty levels. I was playing on the second difficulty level when I got my uber-gold city. I got rather lucky though: I was using Egypt, had a great desert-filled location for a city near my starting city, got an early +50% Gold Great Person & a Production Great Person (which I used to make the Colossus), and even got a couple free Settler units from peaceful tribes which I settled in the gold city to get things started even faster.
By the end of the demo, I hadn't gotten into a single fight aside from the odd barbarian. I had 3 cities: my capital (which was my research center), my gold city, and a 3rd throw away city which I got from high culture.
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anyway i'm definitely going to try to get a real powerhouse city going in the higher levels but i haven't had any luck yet.
Stick with me, kid. We'll have you on the top of the world in no time.
I think the other continents were both involved in some kind of horrible horrible gigantic wars that kept them pretty stunted.
If you want to pick up some really good pointers, I'd suggest reading Sulla's playthroughs where he does a really good job explaining the thought process you should be going through. He was one of the playtesters for civ4, and really knows his stuff.
Woot! =)
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France is a bunch of bastards... well, in the game at least. =) I was playing as China, and they were my friends all game last game (and the only empire that was actually friendly to me), and I was on my way to a Space victory when I decided I should change three of my civics (which caused three turns of anarchy). They invaded the next turn with their Cannons and Cavalry.
They took two of my border cities because they were such good friends that I left them pretty much unprotected. Unfortunately for them, I had approximately 40 Modern Armors and 10 Stealth Bombers defending my other borders. Since I was so close to a space victory anyways, I figured I could get some revenge killin' in. I took back my two cities that turn (thanks railroads!
The moral of the story? Don't fuck with China. And don't send horseback units to face an army of mechanized infantry and advanced warplanes.
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I'm sure I won't get addicted to this console version right? I mean the demo was pretty awesome but...
No no. Never again.
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Fuck yeah, man. Huayna is the best goddamn leader in the game.
Heh. See, Louis XIV used to be my favorite leader in the game, back when I was a culture whore. I never had a problem with him betraying me, either. On the other hand, leaders like Genghis Khan and Montezuma will stab you in the back even if you've been swallowing their cocks the entire game. I've also had problems with Isabella. I practically married the bitch, and still she ripped my heart out. I prefer to align myself with guys like Ragnar and Roosevelt. Ragnar has never betrayed me. Not once.
Also, I was playing a game last night...and fucking Gandhi declared war on me. I feel like if Gandhi ever declares war on anyone, the developers aren't doing it right.
Oh, and maybe I was the only one not to notice, but there's a new BTS patch out. Changes a lot of stuff.
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Fall From Heaven 2 is the best mod ever. I saw some people asking for mods, that is what you should get. It's a fantastic dark fantasy mod. The later versions require Beyond the Sword, but you can still get the older versions for vanilla civ 4 if that's all you've got.
Mod is here
And as for Capec, he's also my favorite. Industrious is the single best trait for staying ahead once you are ahead and quechuas are simply small gods for early warfare. Build 2-3 and let them sit on a forested mountain just outside the enemy capital and you've pretty much completely eliminated a rival. And you probably can get a free worker out of it too. The cultural grainaries are also a nice substitute for theaters, giving you an edge if you're peaceful and crowded by rivals early on. He's a bit worse on the higher difficulty levels simply because it's really hard to build up a tech lead, so the Wonder bonus is basically nonexistent, but I still think that he's a really solid choice just for his uniques.
Controls are surprisingly good to be honest, The game has some pretty good achievements too, I unlocked one last night for winning over 20 battles with one unit, I've completed 2 matches with a Dominating with Rome (Gotta love those ninja tanks and nukes) win and a Culture win with Saladin!
I only skimmed through but where can i up the difficulty? I seem to be the only one sporting subs, boats, tanks and planes at the end of the match.
Oh and Fuck india they never give up.
you have to go in through 'single player' rather than 'play now' - it seems absurdly redundant, since the only difference is the difficulty options and a sub-menu with load game, play a scenario, game of the week etc, but yeah. if you do that there are four harder levels to toy with. i'm not confident enough with king yet to try the last two
Capac is great with a nice personality combination and some great uniques, but my favorite civilization is probably the Dutch. Financial/Creative is an awesome early game combination and his unique building is probably the most powerful late game unique building (dikes affect sea squares in addition to their usual river effect).
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Ah ha!, I was wondering what the difference between the two play modes were as i had only played the 'play now' option. I love how they've done the added combat bonus to the units that win a certain number of fights.
It's wierd... Khan and I are always BFFs in my games, and whenever I get Louis he ends up betraying me.
Granted, I've only played three full games so far (Louie and Khan were both in two of them), so it could be an aberration. But if they somehow let the AI remember what you did to them between games, I'd probably never be able to talk to France again. It felt so good to level their cities in a swath of fire. =)
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There are no workers, tiles automatically get benefits based on their resources (if you have the appropriate technology), civilization (for example, Egypt gets bonuses for deserts), and buildings (ex: Granaries give +2 Food to Plains).
Civilization Revolution isn't lacking in depth. It's just a difference of focus: Civilization 4 focuses on micromanagement, Civilization Revolution takes a broader view. Sure, some areas aren't as in-depth, but then again, others have more depth (exploration, gold, drastically different civ bonuses).
Plus even if Civ Rev doesn't have as much depth as Civ 4, this is more than made up for the vastly improved AI setting: human.
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Eh. I always thought the greatest thing about CIV was the sheer scalability of the management aspect. You have the option of either micromanaging like a sonofabitch, or you can just build cities/crank out units, and still have a great experience.
Is there hotseat in civ rev? I didn't see it in the demo, but come on... its been in every civilization(except maybe the first? I forget)
I'd also like to know... wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I think I'd get a lot more play time out of it.
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Yet I have no money to buy it day one.
That does it, I'm going to have to go beg on the streets.
I played a bit of it, seems alright but I don't know if it feels right playing Civ on a console. Plus one of my favorite aspects of the game was getting bogged down in commanding my 34 workers each turn.
Consoles should get the same version as the PC, imo.
Are the other Civ games before IV worth playing if you have IV? If so... I think I may have to go back and buy that set.
I tried the "Scenarios" today. Gave the American Revolution one a shot. The only thing that was really neat about it was the fact that they did a good job making the land resemble American geography. Other than that, it was pretty boring... especially not being allowed to do research. Are there any FUN scenarios, or should I stick to the randomly generated maps for fun?
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