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Astonishing X-Men
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Okay, couldn't find a thread for it, so sorry if there is one, but yeah, spoilers for #16:
[spoiler:18cca16e71]This issue was good. First of all, he plays up the whole "Maybe the Hellfire Club is all in Emma's head" angle, with the payoff of Emma staring in the mirror, which turns on you and into one of the most badass Kitty Pryde action scenes EVAR. THEN he turns it around AGAIN with the "White Queen" reval, and the "YEAHBUHWHAT?" is probably the best reaction by a chracter to a big dramatic reveal in a comic like ever. Then everything else in the book was fun and good. And the inking and coloring is no longer ruining Cassady's art.[/spoiler:18cca16e71]
So anyway I though it was awesome how about you guys.
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
I personally find their exploits quite astonishing.
Also, Hisako seems interesting, and I'm curious where they're going with her. She's gone toe to toe with a couple heavy hitters, she's gotten some decent development, and if you believe BKV checked with anyone before the first Runaways arc of this run [spoiler:1bd27039df]she's going to end up leading at least a, if not the main, X-team.[/spoiler:1bd27039df]
[spoiler:69ddb421db]I was expecting it to be an Omega-level mutant. How the hell does Colossus destroy the Breakworld? Does he punch a nuclear reactor that powers their whole world or something?[/spoiler:69ddb421db]
[spoiler:84cb128ce4]I was expecting it to be an Omega-level mutant. How the hell does Colossus destroy the Breakworld? Does he punch a nuclear reactor that powers their whole world or something?[/spoiler:84cb128ce4]
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
[spoiler:79ce0337a2]I was expecting it to be an Omega-level mutant. How the hell does Colossus destroy the Breakworld? Does he punch a nuclear reactor that powers their whole world or something?[/spoiler:79ce0337a2]
Yeah, I dunno. I assume we'll find out though.
[spoiler:79ce0337a2]I thought it was gonna be Kitty, myself. Like she was going to phase the center of their planet or some shit.[/spoiler:79ce0337a2]
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
[spoiler:e7ccaffaf5]Ord manages to bungle the obligatory raid on the mansion and mistakenly wipes out the Hellfire guys in the process.
Then again, "Danger" should know the X-Men too well to let that happen, and SWORD could've been smart and strategically leaked the culprit's identity to minimize collateral damage.
Still, I like to imagine Cass Nova getting knocked down a couple pegs by poor ol' Ord.[/spoiler:e7ccaffaf5]
augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
edited August 2006
Hey guys [spoiler:d51e2a3a6f]what if the mysterious package thingy is connected to the destruction of the Breakworld. Like the Breakworld is IN there or some shit. Or maybe not. Also, Cassandra Nova does not get knocked down pegs, becuase she is awesome.[/spoiler:d51e2a3a6f]
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
[spoiler:d94241f8b3]Lady Howlett had an affair with Tom Logan, the groundskeeper, and he's Wolverine's daddy.[/spoiler:d94241f8b3]
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
[spoiler:47ec587e1c]Lady Howlett had an affair with Tom Logan, the groundskeeper, and he's Wolverine's daddy.[/spoiler:47ec587e1c]
[spoiler:47ec587e1c]But then why did the grandfather have mutant claws?[/spoiler:47ec587e1c]
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
[spoiler:5b3f3ca44d]Lady Howlett had an affair with Tom Logan, the groundskeeper, and he's Wolverine's daddy.[/spoiler:5b3f3ca44d]
[spoiler:5b3f3ca44d]But then why did the grandfather have mutant claws?[/spoiler:5b3f3ca44d]
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
[spoiler:e8e73688eb]Lady Howlett had an affair with Tom Logan, the groundskeeper, and he's Wolverine's daddy.[/spoiler:e8e73688eb]
[spoiler:e8e73688eb]But then why did the grandfather have mutant claws?[/spoiler:e8e73688eb]
I try to ignore that part.
[spoiler:e8e73688eb]I guess the most logical explaination is that Thomas Logan was his illegitimate son.[/spoiler:e8e73688eb]
Yes, Wolverine is hysterical. I take it that the current state of mind he's in is how he is as James Howlett in Origin?
Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
[spoiler:e4e9b5b739]Lady Howlett had an affair with Tom Logan, the groundskeeper, and he's Wolverine's daddy.[/spoiler:e4e9b5b739]
[spoiler:e4e9b5b739]But then why did the grandfather have mutant claws?[/spoiler:e4e9b5b739]
I try to ignore that part.
[spoiler:e4e9b5b739]I guess the most logical explaination is that Thomas Logan was his illegitimate son.[/spoiler:e4e9b5b739]
Yeah, but [spoiler:a7ed3a8119]how often do mutants have almost the EXACT same mutation as their parents?
I mean look at the Summers brothers. They're SIBLINGS and they don't even have the same powers.[/spoiler:a7ed3a8119]
[spoiler:a7ed3a8119]they're all energy projectors. magneto's children are all field manipulators. if you look at what they do in broad terms instead of specifics, there's a pattern.
Wolverine as a child was fun and all, but Astonishing #16 wasted way too many pages with him prancing around when we have two major plot arcs that are moving slower than a glacier. Especially considering how little time Whedon has left on his run.
Great art, great dialogue, but Whedon's poor plot pacing has been this book's Achilles Heel. Astonishing #15 barely had any plot progression, but at least #16 was a sharp improvement. Hopefully, #17 blows the door wide open.
Yeah, but [spoiler:8c133393e8]how often do mutants have almost the EXACT same mutation as their parents?
I mean look at the Summers brothers. They're SIBLINGS and they don't even have the same powers.[/spoiler:8c133393e8]
Most of the examples are from alternate futures:
Rachel Summers, Nocturne, Nate Grey, Polaris, Spider-Girl and a whole bunch of heroes from MC2, Beak's kids. There are plenty of examples.
Don't forget my favorite, Siryn.
Yeah, but there's no hard and fast rule about this. I'm sure Joe Quesada doesn't require his writers to provide him with a full mutant DNA sequence when they introduce mutant siblings and children. It's really up to the writer and, more often than not, they'll build upon parental traits to craft the characters. But, I'm sure there are the mutant equivalents of two blonde parents giving birth to a redhead or something. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch come to mind.
Yeah, but [spoiler:872dd26af9]how often do mutants have almost the EXACT same mutation as their parents?
I mean look at the Summers brothers. They're SIBLINGS and they don't even have the same powers.[/spoiler:872dd26af9]
Most of the examples are from alternate futures:
Rachel Summers, Nocturne, Nate Grey, Polaris, Spider-Girl and a whole bunch of heroes from MC2, Beak's kids. There are plenty of examples.
Don't forget my favorite, Siryn.
Yeah, but there's no hard and fast rule about this. I'm sure Joe Quesada doesn't require his writers to provide him with a full mutant DNA sequence when they introduce mutant siblings and children. It's really up to the writer and, more often than not, they'll build upon parental traits to craft the characters. But, I'm sure there are the mutant equivalents of two blonde parents giving birth to a redhead or something. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch come to mind.
as i said in my spoilered comment above, they all manipulate some sort of field or another, be it magnetism, reality, time, etc. just like cyclops, havok, and vulcan all project different types of energy, but still basically have the same powers.
as i said in my spoilered comment above, they all manipulate some sort of field or another, be it magnetism, reality, time, etc.
Eh, that's kind of a stretch, but whatever. Trying to make sense of mutant genetic traits through hereditary means in a comic book seems like a fruitless enterprise to me. Everything will ultimately come down to conjecture and leaps of logic.
But, in a no-prize sense of things, you make a really strong point.
Mutants are really likely to have mutant children...the only human child of mutants I can think of are Mystique and Sabretooth's kid Creed. Beyond that it's all chance. Mystique, Nightcrawler and Nocturne all have a similar look, but their powers are completely different. But then, Nightcrawler supposedly got his teleportation from daddy.
Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
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Yeah! Someone's got egg on thier face!
And like little eyelash thinges.
And that fuckep up nosegaurd.
The guy is just ugly is what I'm saying.
Oh man, I read the last page and thought the exact same thing.
And laughed my ass off for like the next 30 mins.
In retro spect you could say [spoiler:1c02fbbb55] Ord is the real reason behind the "death" of breakworld [/spoiler:1c02fbbb55]
That what happens when you can see you own death, the universe has a fucked up sense of humor.
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I personally find their exploits quite astonishing.
Also, Hisako seems interesting, and I'm curious where they're going with her. She's gone toe to toe with a couple heavy hitters, she's gotten some decent development, and if you believe BKV checked with anyone before the first Runaways arc of this run [spoiler:1bd27039df]she's going to end up leading at least a, if not the main, X-team.[/spoiler:1bd27039df]
[spoiler:54d49d81bf]...Yeabuhwhat?[/spoiler:54d49d81bf]
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And, yeah, it must suck to be Ord right about now.
And dangit, Whedon is lobbying HARD for Kitty Pryde to be my favorite X-Person of all time. It's like he's in love with her and he's explaining why.
[spoiler:69ddb421db]I was expecting it to be an Omega-level mutant. How the hell does Colossus destroy the Breakworld? Does he punch a nuclear reactor that powers their whole world or something?[/spoiler:69ddb421db]
other than that, pretty good issue
i hope there's a good explanation for all this
Yeah, I dunno. I assume we'll find out though.
Wheadon has an unreasoning affection for wee waifs that kick butt. But I'm down with that.
[spoiler:79ce0337a2]I thought it was gonna be Kitty, myself. Like she was going to phase the center of their planet or some shit.[/spoiler:79ce0337a2]
[spoiler:e7ccaffaf5]Ord manages to bungle the obligatory raid on the mansion and mistakenly wipes out the Hellfire guys in the process.
Then again, "Danger" should know the X-Men too well to let that happen, and SWORD could've been smart and strategically leaked the culprit's identity to minimize collateral damage.
Still, I like to imagine Cass Nova getting knocked down a couple pegs by poor ol' Ord.[/spoiler:e7ccaffaf5]
Pretty much, yeah.
here's a list of things he's worked on that don't have a girl kicking ass:
They changed a lot from his screenplay. Which explains why ressurection sucked.
"Also, I met an Oriental...."
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Yep thats him as a child. The "Logan" he's referring to is the drunk groundskeeper who is his biological father... I think. Thats one thing I never got, why did the grandfather (on his father's side) have claws even though it was implied that they weren't biologically related? Was Logan his illegitimate son? Or is it just a coincidence that groundskeeper-Logan looked just like Wolverine-Logan?
3DS: 5241-1953-7031
[spoiler:47ec587e1c]But then why did the grandfather have mutant claws?[/spoiler:47ec587e1c]
3DS: 5241-1953-7031
[spoiler:e8e73688eb]I guess the most logical explaination is that Thomas Logan was his illegitimate son.[/spoiler:e8e73688eb]
3DS: 5241-1953-7031
I mean look at the Summers brothers. They're SIBLINGS and they don't even have the same powers.[/spoiler:34c40f8b85]
Most of the examples are from alternate futures:
Rachel Summers, Nocturne, Nate Grey, Polaris, Spider-Girl and a whole bunch of heroes from MC2, Beak's kids. There are plenty of examples.
3DS: 5241-1953-7031
except with the guthries.[/spoiler:a7ed3a8119]
Great art, great dialogue, but Whedon's poor plot pacing has been this book's Achilles Heel. Astonishing #15 barely had any plot progression, but at least #16 was a sharp improvement. Hopefully, #17 blows the door wide open.
Don't forget my favorite, Siryn.
Yeah, but there's no hard and fast rule about this. I'm sure Joe Quesada doesn't require his writers to provide him with a full mutant DNA sequence when they introduce mutant siblings and children. It's really up to the writer and, more often than not, they'll build upon parental traits to craft the characters. But, I'm sure there are the mutant equivalents of two blonde parents giving birth to a redhead or something. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch come to mind.
Eh, that's kind of a stretch, but whatever. Trying to make sense of mutant genetic traits through hereditary means in a comic book seems like a fruitless enterprise to me. Everything will ultimately come down to conjecture and leaps of logic.
But, in a no-prize sense of things, you make a really strong point.
THAT STORY DOES NOT EXIST!
[pushes the emergency Chuck Austen Retcon button]
Yeah, that's right.
Ya think?