Superman: Man of Tomorrow! (and his dog)

Balefuego

My problem with it isn't a continuity thing, it's a flooding the market issue.

Do we really need a Superman/Supergirl miniseries when they are already involved in 2 ongoing crossovers including one where the bad guys are essentially the same bad guys as the ones in the mini?

It seems like they had these unused scripts in the can and figured "Oh fuck, this shit is about to be dated as fuck as soon as Final Crisis finishes blowing up the 4th World we better get it out now"

Jacobkosh

Balefuego wrote: »

My problem with it isn't a continuity thing, it's a flooding the market issue.

Do we really need a Superman/Supergirl miniseries when they are already involved in 2 ongoing crossovers including one where the bad guys are essentially the same bad guys as the ones in the mini?

It seems like they had these unused scripts in the can and figured "Oh fuck, this shit is about to be dated as fuck as soon as Final Crisis finishes blowing up the 4th World we better get it out now"

I agree that wanting to buy Superman comics or whatever and not having enough money to get them all in a particular month is a valid concern. I just can't really bring myself to care about "this story couldn't have happened because Outsiders #45 says he was here doing this at this time". I think it's really really rare that a character will appear in like five titles in the same month and none of them will be in a book that I won't mind ignoring.

Keith

Balefuego wrote: »

My problem with it isn't a continuity thing, it's a flooding the market issue.

Do we really need a Superman/Supergirl miniseries when they are already involved in 2 ongoing crossovers including one where the bad guys are essentially the same bad guys as the ones in the mini?

It seems like they had these unused scripts in the can and figured "Oh fuck, this shit is about to be dated as fuck as soon as Final Crisis finishes blowing up the 4th World we better get it out now"

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. They just could've picked a better time to put it out.

smokmnky

So regarding this weeks Action Comics (871):

Is this going to be the regular artist? I liked the other guy that started that New Krypton issue a few weeks back.

Also I'm not familar with much of Superman's backstory, so at the end who are

Spoiler:

Nightwing and Flambird? Is that Dick Grayson? If so how was he able to beat up those Kryptions? Also, why the hell would Dick be running around the Fortress?

Balefuego

Spoiler:

Nightwing and Flamebird are Kryptonian vigilantes.

Dick Grayson took the name Nightwing after hearing about them from Superman.

Also I believe they gave Gary Frank a break during the New Krypton crossover and he'll be back on Action for the following arc.

JoeUser

Balefuego wrote: »

Spoiler:

Nightwing and Flamebird are Kryptonian vigilantes.

Dick Grayson took the name Nightwing after hearing about them from Superman.

Also I believe they gave Gary Frank a break during the New Krypton crossover and he'll be back on Action for the following arc.

Spoiler:

You might also remember Power Girl and Supergirl running around in Kandor as Nightwing and Flamebird in one of the OYL series.

SalmonOfDoubt

JoeUser wrote: »

Balefuego wrote: »

Spoiler:

Nightwing and Flamebird are Kryptonian vigilantes.

Dick Grayson took the name Nightwing after hearing about them from Superman.

Also I believe they gave Gary Frank a break during the New Krypton crossover and he'll be back on Action for the following arc.

Spoiler:

You might also remember Power Girl and Supergirl running around in Kandor as Nightwing and Flamebird in one of the OYL series.

Nobody wants to remember that.

Bloods End

I remember tits.

Sars_Boy

man Geoff Johns come on

Spoiler:

I know you love meshing continuity but making Doomsday Kryptionian? Giving Nightwing Tactile Telekinesis? What' the fucking point of all that?

Robos A Go Go

Doomsday was already Kryptonian.

Rans

Sars_Boy wrote: »

man Geoff Johns come on

Spoiler:

I know you love meshing continuity but making Doomsday Kryptionian? Giving Nightwing Tactile Telekinesis? What' the fucking point of all that?

Doomsday has been Kyptonian since Jurgens' Hunter/Prey mini-series back in 1995

Sars_Boy

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Doomsday was already Kryptonian.

huh

did not know that

I thought he was created by Cadmus

Robos A Go Go

Sars_Boy wrote: »

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Doomsday was already Kryptonian.

huh

did not know that

I thought he was created by Cadmus

Maybe you're thinking about the Justice League cartoon. I think Cadmus made him in that.

And yeah, he wasn't originally Kryptonian. From what I remember of Death of Superman, he just sorta shows up out of nowhere.

Sars_Boy

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Sars_Boy wrote: »

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Doomsday was already Kryptonian.

huh

did not know that

I thought he was created by Cadmus

Maybe you're thinking about the Justice League cartoon. I think Cadmus made him in that.

And yeah, he wasn't originally Kryptonian. From what I remember of Death of Superman, he just sorta shows up out of nowhere.

I never really read Death of Superman and i'm not entirely sure how I came to the conclusion that he was made by Cadmus in the comics

boy is my face red

jkylefulton

The Cadmus thing was definitely a Justice League cartoon thing - otherwise, as Robos stated, he just sort of showed up, and Jurgens came along later and tacked on the Kryptonian origin (the Hunter:Prey miniseries).

Keith

Sars_Boy wrote: »

man Geoff Johns come on

Spoiler:

Giving Nightwing Tactile Telekinesis? What' the fucking point of all that?

Spoiler:

1) This Nightwing could just be someone that was in Kandor and has tactile telekinesis

2) He probably gave him it since Nightwing and Flamebird are supposed to be the heroes of Krypton, and they need something to be different than 100,000 other Kryptonians that now have powers

3) Kandor's Nightwing and Flamebird are different like every time they're ever brought up.

Unco-ordinated

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Sars_Boy wrote: »

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Doomsday was already Kryptonian.

huh

did not know that

I thought he was created by Cadmus

Maybe you're thinking about the Justice League cartoon. I think Cadmus made him in that.

And yeah, he wasn't originally Kryptonian. From what I remember of Death of Superman, he just sorta shows up out of nowhere.

Nah, I'm pretty sure he was Kryptonian in that too. Then Cadmus cloned him or something.

jacobkosh: Uh, it really isn't rare at all to see a character show up in 5 different titles in a month. I mean really, this month Superman has either appeared or will be appearing in Action Comics, Superman, Supergirl, Trinity, Justice League, JSA Special - Superman and Tangent: Superman's Reign. Batman appears in at least as many books, if not more.

Jacobkosh

Unco-ordinated wrote: »

jacobkosh: Uh, it really isn't rare at all to see a character show up in 5 different titles in a month. I mean really, this month Superman has either appeared or will be appearing in Action Comics, Superman, Supergirl, Trinity, Justice League, JSA Special - Superman and Tangent: Superman's Reign. Batman appears in at least as many books, if not more.

Jacobkosh wrote:

I think it's really really rare that a character will appear in like five titles in the same month and none of them will be in a book that I won't mind ignoring.

HadjiQuest

Why, god, why...

Superman To Abandon Earth And Action In '09 wrote:

2009 is going to be a big year for DC Comics' Superman. He's going to leave his comic book home for the last 70 years, and he's also going to be abandoning his adopted home planet forever (or the comic book version thereof, which is at least six months). What could make the Man of Steel run away from home like this? We're blaming the military industrial complex - and a need for sales.

Superman's lonely future was revealed by DC Executive Editor Dan DiDio, in an interview with the LA Times' Hero Complex blog:

Superman has been the star of "Action Comics" for its entire run, essentially, and he will be leaving it and handing it over to new characters. The only time he hasn’t appeared in the book, I believe, was after “The Death of Superman,” in those years. So this is a lot of fun for us. I think that’s going to get people excited and scratching their heads and wondering what’s going on. In his own book, "Superman," there will be a dramatic turn as the hero leaves Earth and it seems like he’s leaving for good. We’ll follow his adventures in space more so than his adventures on Earth, and that’s a big and exciting thing.

Give us the best Superman run in probably a decade and a half, bring his world back down to a friendly level for newcomers, make him sympathetic again...

Then shoot him off into space for a year so you can focus on everyone else.

Fuck.

Keith

He'll still be in Superman

Focusing another book on other characters isn't a bad thing.

Fencingsax

As long as it isn't Kara, I'm cautiously interested.

emnmnme

Why would there be vigilantes on Krypton? I thought Krypton was a crime-free utopia fueled by scientific progress.

HadjiQuest

Also in the interview, DiDio indirectly hints that the new Legion of Super Heroes book (Adventure Comics) will be very closely tied in with the Superman Family books.

thorpe

I bought the first All Star Superman trade.

Now I am disappointed both that I'll have to wait for the second to come out, and that there isn't going to be any more of this.

So good.

Wildcat

There's a vicious rumour going round that James Robinson has quit the Superman books in protest over their new direction. Anyone heard anything about this?

HadjiQuest

Wildcat wrote: »

There's a vicious rumour going round that James Robinson has quit the Superman books in protest over their new direction. Anyone heard anything about this?

That would end the whole dream-run he had planned with Johns and whoever was doing Supergirl.

That would suck. It'd pretty much kill the run.

I'm sure we'll hear more about that before the end of the week, whether it's true or not.

Robos A Go Go

If Robinson's gone, then I'm just going to go back to not reading Superman.

At least we got a couple good arcs out of him.

Balefuego

I will be really really upset if this turns out to be true

Sars_Boy

yeah that would have to be a pretty quick tunraround in terms of what they had planned considering New Krypton extends into 2010

Sars_Boy

thorpe wrote: »

I bought the first All Star Superman trade.

Now I am disappointed both that I'll have to wait for the second to come out, and that there isn't going to be any more of this.

So good.

it comes out in Jaunary I think

HadjiQuest

Sars_Boy wrote: »

thorpe wrote: »

I bought the first All Star Superman trade.

Now I am disappointed both that I'll have to wait for the second to come out, and that there isn't going to be any more of this.

So good.

it comes out in Jaunary I think

As a hardcover.

Grrr...

I just want them to match on my bookshelf!

Jacobkosh

I'm buying the ASS trades to loan to my friends, but what I really want is an Absolute.

Keith

hahaha

ass

smokmnky

Well if the Robinson rumor is true I'll probably just go back to only buying Supergirl.

KyleWPeterson

It's not true, just more ridiculous bullshit from that rumor website:

Superman comic book editor Matt Idelson contacted the Superman Homepage today to debunk this story. It's not true. James Robinson has NOT quit the Superman comic books.

Source

Lux

Oh, good. I'm not even that enthralled by what Robinson has done so far, but I hate it when plans and promises get derailed like that. It was bad times when Dixon dropped out suddenly. Hope the Final Crisis stuff isn't true then, too.

Balefuego

KyleWPeterson wrote: »

It's not true, just more ridiculous bullshit from that rumor website:

Superman comic book editor Matt Idelson contacted the Superman Homepage today to debunk this story. It's not true. James Robinson has NOT quit the Superman comic books.

Source

Johnston tends to be right a good deal of the time, but he himself said he wasn't 100% sure about this particular story.

Wildcat

Yeah, it was clearly labelled as 'amber' on his little scale. Which is kinda the reason why he has it.

Munch

I think it's important to remember that just because Idelson, a DC Comics employee, says everything is hunky dory, that doesn't necessarily mean an argument didn't occur. Johnston did say that Shooter had been fired, and though it didn't pan out immediately, once Shooter was off Legion and giving his exit interview, he revealed he'd been fired and re-hired a few times amid various arguments and conflicts. You'd really think Robinson would have responded personally to squash the rumor as soon as it got started.

Even if it's not true and never was, does anyone else find it a little disconcerting that DC seems to almost constantly be a source of shady rumors? Marvel doesn't seem to have the same problem.

Rans

Right, even if the rumors aren't exactly true it does seem like there is considerable hostility and tension between the writers and Didio.