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Suikoden Tierkreis - out now

carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Games and Technology
Suikoden Tierkreis:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45530.html

watch?v=xeGTsL0DgMg

http://ds.ign.com/articles/900/900484p1.html

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too sweet, never expected them to give another suikoden entry a serious budget after the last two games did so miserably commercially. story seems interesting too, with the army getting defeated at the start.

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  • AegofAegof Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Klyka wrote: »
    Aegof wrote: »
    Suikoden 3 was and is my favorite JRPG, so I felt Hurt and Betrayed when I played 4. Didn't bother with 5, but one sounds interesting.

    5 is a return to form and cleanses the series from the filth that is 4 and the wrong doings of 3.
    I rate the games: 2 > 5 > 1 (no nostalgia here!) > 3 > 4

    See, that is the opposite of giving me a reason to play the other games; there's not a lot about Suikoden 3 I did not like!

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Aegof wrote: »
    Klyka wrote: »
    Aegof wrote: »
    Suikoden 3 was and is my favorite JRPG, so I felt Hurt and Betrayed when I played 4. Didn't bother with 5, but one sounds interesting.

    5 is a return to form and cleanses the series from the filth that is 4 and the wrong doings of 3.
    I rate the games: 2 > 5 > 1 (no nostalgia here!) > 3 > 4

    See, that is the opposite of giving me a reason to play the other games; there's not a lot about Suikoden 3 I did not like!

    Yea... I'd definitely switch 3 and 5 on that list, but that's just me. 5 did nothing for me... 3 gave me orgasms.

    Once I got past the first 5ish hours.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I thought 3 was alright, though I didn't like how the characters were tethered together in pairs.

    I also didn't like its iteration of the castle.

  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My my, what beautiful games you have, DS.

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  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Konami will never give up on Suikoden.

    I swear, they've planned out the Suikoden universe so well that they could probably tell you which way the wind is supposed to be blowing on any given day. I bet they have a book so large, filled with the entire Suikoden plot, that it would take a forklift to pick it up.

    Konami has big plans for the Suikoden universe. I can't wait to see where they go next.

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  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    That's one thing I love about the Suikoden universe, there is a plan of some type, there are hints of events going on in various places around the world and while you don't often go see those places in some of the sequels you may get to hear about other regions that had been briefly mentioned or you may actually now play in that place.

    If they got the whole thing written out I highly doubt it, it's more like George Lucas having a vague idea and writing it as he goes and putting everything together. More or less it's the same here, hopefully unlike George they'll get it right.

  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    We'll keep having Suikoden games at least until we've seen all 27 of the True Runes.

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  • Asamof the HorribleAsamof the Horrible Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    3D models on the DS :(

  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Konami will never give up on Suikoden.

    I swear, they've planned out the Suikoden universe so well that they could probably tell you which way the wind is supposed to be blowing on any given day. I bet they have a book so large, filled with the entire Suikoden plot, that it would take a forklift to pick it up.

    Konami has big plans for the Suikoden universe. I can't wait to see where they go next.

    actually, the guy with the plan has been fired durign the production of suikoden 3.
    everything after that was made by people who basically have no clue what originally was planned for the future, that is why they moved the action so far away from the original suikoden areas.

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  • Glenn565Glenn565 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    carmofin wrote: »
    Konami will never give up on Suikoden.

    I swear, they've planned out the Suikoden universe so well that they could probably tell you which way the wind is supposed to be blowing on any given day. I bet they have a book so large, filled with the entire Suikoden plot, that it would take a forklift to pick it up.

    Konami has big plans for the Suikoden universe. I can't wait to see where they go next.

    actually, the guy with the plan has been fired durign the production of suikoden 3.
    everything after that was made by people who basically have no clue what originally was planned for the future, that is why they moved the action so far away from the original suikoden areas.

    That, and he never planed for Suikoden 1 to have a sequel. There never was a planned out story; it was just made up as they went along.

    And I heard that he left voluntarily after getting fed up with Konami.

  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Suikoden 2 is the best of the series. Three wasn't bad at all. The battle system was the only drawback for me.

    I will buy this one when ever it comes out.

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  • DusT_HounDDusT_HounD Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Now, i'm some bastard for going OT, but can i just ask a quick question, not Suikoden- related: Is anyone else hoping for a Vandal Hearts remake? Can't just be me, right?

  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User
    edited August 2008
    DusT_HounD wrote: »
    Now, i'm some bastard for going OT, but can i just ask a quick question, not Suikoden- related: Is anyone else hoping for a Vandal Hearts remake? Can't just be me, right?

    Vandal Hearts and Suikoden sold me a ($300) PlayStation. Fuckin love both of them.

    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    That's just insulting, I think DBZ is bad but I'm not going to insinuate that it only appeals to people who are equal parts retards and psychopaths.
  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'venever played a Suikoden game. I'm thinking that this is going to be the first one.

  • JeanJean Lonely québécois bear Gatineau, QuébecRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Has this been confirmed to be released in North America? Please say yes :)

    I loved Suikoden 5, enjoyed , played a bit of the original, and avoided the 4th like plague since I heard it sucks balls.

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  • NabobNabob Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh god, my boner is so huge. I've been waiting so eagerly for a new Suikoden. 5 was so fucking amazing, like close to being almost as good as 2, and 2 is my favorite game ever; and I can't fucking find it now that I've moved. I just hope this isn't a crappy Suikoden Tactics like off-shoot.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    How was Suikoden Tactics? Nobody ever talks about that game.

    Or Suiko-Gaiden, but I guess that's way too obscure.

  • FrosteeyFrosteey 1521-2945-8940Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    3D models on the DS :(

    3d models in Suikoden : (

    It's like taking the worst of all worlds.

    I suppose in their defense, their third attempt was passable. And the maps here do look pretty awesome.

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    If you played (especially recently) the first game and enjoyed it, you absolutely owe it to yourself to play 2. 1 looked fairly ugly when it came out, and hasn't aged all that well. But 2 looked and looks pretty good, and fixed up a lot of the minor stuff that makes 1 a bit grating. And it's awesome.

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    Getting back to this, I have mixed reactions, but I'll probably purchase early barring absolutely horrific reviews, if only to support the main series.

    ---

    Gaidens are good for having Seed and Sierra, looking pretty, and having some excellent introductions. Sucks for portraying Seed poorly.

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  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    How was Suikoden Tactics? Nobody ever talks about that game.

    Or Suiko-Gaiden, but I guess that's way too obscure.

    suikoden tactics was nice, actually. i lost interest in it evnetually like with most SRPGs, but it was suikoden enough to leave a positive impression.
    suikogaiden is jsut a text adventure form what i know, just watch the intros on youtube and that should basically cover the eyecandy.

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  • Dyvim TvarDyvim Tvar I put my high heels on so I'm closer to god. The dance floorRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    How was Suikoden Tactics? Nobody ever talks about that game.

    Or Suiko-Gaiden, but I guess that's way too obscure.

    I loathed Tactics, however that's mostly because I was still bitter about 4. In hindsight it was a passable SRPG but there are plenty better out there.

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  • Zealous OneZealous One Registered User
    edited August 2008
    I love Suikoden I and II (II especially, as playing number one made me appreciate how refined II had been), and even if I haven't played more recent ones, I'm looking forward to this. It'd certainly be nice to have portable Suikoden in any case.

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  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    hm, a little late, but better late then never, seems like a trailer is out and some new info.
    watch?v=613rha5zj2k
    The good news is that konami is working on translation of the game already, they are targeting to release it in Q1 2009, so it would only be a few months.
    the bad news is, i dont like what im reading and hearing at all.
    first off, the game takes place in an "alternate universe", or the way id put it, they are screwing over continuity altogether this time around. there will alo be no true runes in the story...
    Also, and this is what really makes me mad, the game is said to be mission based. That sounds like it might become a letdown like FFT for GBA and DS have been for me, for the compelte and utter lack of story or character development.
    Also, the music in that trailer sounds horribly generic, when i hear suikoden i expect outstanding stuff (take this for reference of what i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJil8-ARACc )
    well either way, im still cautiously optimistic, but definately very sceptical over all this.

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  • elevatureelevature Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    How did I miss this the first time?

    Suikoden was one of my favourite PS1 games. I never played any of the others, because I couldn't find 2. But I'm all over this one.

  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    well as you can see theres not that many people who care much for suikoden, considering that news is already rather old. its not exactly a mainstreamtitle, so id say it easy gets lost on the radar between everything else.
    like, suikoden 1? you know about 2-5, right? hehe

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  • ErgandarErgandar Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I wouldn't worry about the lack of a story or character development.

    Half of that trailer was dialogue and anime cutscenes.

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Oooh, the new trailer is nice. Though I still think the 3-d character models themselves are pretty ugly. I'm not a huge fan of that particular SD style.

    That said, well, everything else looks nifty. I like the style used for the cut scenes and character portraits and I like the overall color scheme as well. Also judging from that trailer it seems the main character is going to talk? If that's the case, I'm pretty much sold. Hopefully the characters and story are engaging.

    (For the record- my order of love for the Sui series 3>2>5>1>
    screw it no, I'm not even putting the torture that was 4 on this list. )

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  • NabobNabob Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Aww, an alternate universe makes me much less excited for this game. Half the fun of Suikoden is returning characters and the new game fitting into the timeline and world with the others. Maybe Viki will still be in it, universes aren't any harder to teleport across than time is right?

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  • Glenn565Glenn565 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Nabob wrote: »
    Aww, an alternate universe makes me much less excited for this game. Half the fun of Suikoden is returning characters and the new game fitting into the timeline and world with the others. Maybe Viki will still be in it, universes aren't any harder to teleport across than time is right?

    No Vikki OR Jeanne.

  • SchideSchide You have dreams Everybody watching at home has dreamsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Nabob wrote: »
    Aww, an alternate universe makes me much less excited for this game. Half the fun of Suikoden is returning characters and the new game fitting into the timeline and world with the others. Maybe Viki will still be in it, universes aren't any harder to teleport across than time is right?

    She and Jeane had better be in it, or else. *shakes fist*

    Hey, wasn't there another thread for this? Well I know there was because I posted in it.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Parental Unit RemulakRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So... we can all agree that Suikoden 2 was the best one, right?

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So... we can all agree that Suikoden 2 was the best one, right?

    yes it was the best one. Anyone else who thinks otherwise probably was dropped on there head as a baby.

  • carmofincarmofin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    it was, but id still like to add that suikoden 3 is totally underrated IMO.
    Playing a game from five different perspectives was so unique and enjoyable that it easily made up for the few flaws that game had.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Suikoden 3 was an abortion. Its creation and sale was tantamount to holding an exposition where the only goal of the show was to detail the insertion of fetus's into blenders and turning them on high while an audience of women who were only pregnant from violent acts of rape watched in horror


    But like a battered housewife, I sobbed through the pain as I finished it anyway just because of the name.



    Suikoden on the DS might be reason enough for me to actually get a god damned DS.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I wouldn't call 3 an abortion. Still, the battle system was worse, the towns were mostly boring, the game itself was pretty ugly, and I felt the change in perspective gave the game sort of a disjointed feel.

    I never played a Suikoden after that, not for lack of interest but simply because of poor reviews for the fourth game and not wanting to invest that many hours into a game, though now I could probably pick both Four and Five up and play them during the winter break, though I'm already planning to get Persona 4.

  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Four wasnt that bad of a game, it was short [ well, its long, but only because of the ramped up encounter rate, but again this isnt that big a deal with the easy to exploit training room for lvl 99 super power. ]

    5 recaptured all the love and glory of 1 and 2, tho. Definately go get 5 its fucking aces.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • BremenBremen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Five was a return to what I love about the series, a powerful story that really sucks you in, fun characters, and a de-emphasis on fighting and stat crunching. Unfortunately what I love isn't shared by everyone; one of the biggest criticisms I see about it is the hours of cutscenes without any fighting to break them up (Although that's only a problem in the first part of the game.)

  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Man, I really loved 3. I'm sad that the game is so disliked. Heck, I even enjoyed the battle system. I never really had troubles with it like everybody else seemed to.

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  • BremenBremen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Lovely wrote: »
    Man, I really loved 3. I'm sad that the game is so disliked. Heck, I even enjoyed the battle system. I never really had troubles with it like everybody else seemed to.

    I don't think 3 is bad or anything, I just liked 2 and 5 more. The PoV system was original, but the game had a lot of other flaws.

  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Bremen wrote: »
    Lovely wrote: »
    Man, I really loved 3. I'm sad that the game is so disliked. Heck, I even enjoyed the battle system. I never really had troubles with it like everybody else seemed to.

    I don't think 3 is bad or anything, I just liked 2 and 5 more. The PoV system was original, but the game had a lot of other flaws.

    3 is a terrorist assault against this country and should have been responded to with a full nuclear retaliation.

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Bremen wrote: »
    Lovely wrote: »
    Man, I really loved 3. I'm sad that the game is so disliked. Heck, I even enjoyed the battle system. I never really had troubles with it like everybody else seemed to.

    I don't think 3 is bad or anything, I just liked 2 and 5 more. The PoV system was original, but the game had a lot of other flaws.

    3 is a terrorist assault against this country and should have been responded to with a full nuclear retaliation.

    Okay, dude, we get it. You don't like it. Jesus.

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