Warmachine and Hordes: Steam, Blood, & Magic

-SPI-

Is it possible to play an army without using warjacks? And would it be any fun?

I love all the models except warjacks.

GrimDog420

-SPI- wrote:

Is it possible to play an army without using warjacks? And would it be any fun?

I love all the models except warjacks.

yes, most tournament armies are not very jack heavy.

I typically play with 1-2 jack max in a 500 pt game, that number may move to 3 in a 750 game.

GrimDog420

Some sample army lists I whipped up based on battleboxes and their relevant costs :


This army is a basic sorsha 500 pt list, pretty easy to play. Cost of all the models using warstore.net prices would be

Battlebox $31.99
Widowmakers : $13.59
Man-o-War Demo Corps unit box + 2 blisters : $51.97
Mortar : $9.59
Eiriss : $6.39
Total Cost : $113.53

Army: Battlebox 500
Faction: Khador
Army Points: 495/500
Victory Points: 20

Kommander Sorscha Kratikoff
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• Destroyer
• Juggernaut

Man-o-War Demolition Corps (5)
Widowmakers
Winter Guard Mortar Crew
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios
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A 500 point Legion of Everblight list I use for steamroller 2.0 tournaments...its cheese, but works.
Cost :
Battlebox : 39.99
Seraph x3 : 43.17
Archers : 32.77
Totem Hunter : 11.99
Total Cost : 127.92

Army: Lylyth Steamroller - Mobile
Faction: Legion of Everblight
Army Points: 497/500
Victory Points: 17

Lylyth, Herald of Everblight
Seraph
Seraph
Seraph
Shredder
Shredder
Shredder
Blighted Archers (10)
Totem Hunter

Iskander

Echo wrote:

GrimDog420 wrote:

Echo wrote:

One comment on the Warmachine rules: the full rules are in Prime; the ones that come with the battlegroups are very simplified.

The other books aren't really needed though. All minis come with a stat card with all the info you need, but the books are full of fluff and longer descriptions of units.

full rules are actually in Hordes : Primal, Prime is out of date.

Wah? Warmachine rules are in a Hordes book? What are warcasters doing there?

Nothing. Of course Primal has no focus manipulation rules as its main mechanik is Fury. Everything else is in there, though.

Warhed

About how viable would a Cryx army be using mostly the Undead Pirate figs and maybe a few warjacks? They tickle me in a way that I like to be tickled.

GrimDog420

once the new superiority cryx stuff comes out a Skarre Raiding army will be quite nice.

Warhed

GrimDog420 wrote:

once the new superiority cryx stuff comes out a Skarre Raiding army will be quite nice.

Where would be a good place to see some of the new Cryx stuff? I haven't been able to find any good Warmachine fan sites yet.

GrimDog420

only place i know that has the stats and stuff are the books, privateer puts the smack down on people having sites with the stats.

piL

I wish this was a video game Miniature gaming doesn't excite my friends and I dislike the prospect of painting these things (I'll fuck it up, and instead of some kind of super awesome cool mech, I'll have a piece of coated scrap metal ), but it looks SOO fun. And I'm in love with the d20 Iron Kingoms. I still need Liber Mechanika and the new version of the TWT if I want to own all of it, but we haven't played in a while so I haven't been buying

Good reading material, excellent art, the RPG is awesome and the modules are some of the best I've ever read/ran. Just...awesomeness. I was thinking of making a thread about the RPG itself before I saw this thread. But I'll not deviate off topic any more:

Warmachine: The models are very pretty and the supporting material is very solid and cool.

JohnnyCache

I have for more cryx then a good man should.

I am actually scared by each new book that comes out.

Scared I will never, ever, own a fully painted, complete army for ANY wargame, ever.

Warhed wrote:

About how viable would a Cryx army be using mostly the Undead Pirate figs and maybe a few warjacks? They tickle me in a way that I like to be tickled.

The undead pirates are a medium infantry unit. They're pretty tough, and they have good surviability, but there's a serious class difference between infantry and even little warjacks. You should be able to work in one or two big jacks, some of the little pursuit ones, and a few infantry units besides.

Warhed

Is there an army building program for Warmachine/Hordes? Sorry if this has been posted, I didn't seem to notice it.

Uriel

Warhed wrote:

Is there an army building program for Warmachine/Hordes? Sorry if this has been posted, I didn't seem to notice it.

Armies of Immoren

DouglasDanger

DouglasDanger wrote:

Man this game looks awesome. I do not have the money or the skill, but I sure enjoy looking at it. I found some really cool art and am continuing to look for really well painted figures.











I think the Protectorate unit could be huge in Japan. Visually, they look like the Vatican's Zealot Jesuit Society or something. There seems to be something with certain manga and anime getting all crazy and Catholic/Christian imagery (Wolfwood from Trigun, that guy with the cross-shaped SMGs, Hellsing and so on) and these guys are pretty much super Jesuits or something.


That's the fricking Pope!

drhazard

I've made a resolution to finish all my Warmachine models by the end of the year. Towards that end, I've decided to go with a more metal-based color scheme. I might actually post a work-log on my Men O' War if I think it'll be well-received. I need a tripod, though...

DouglasDanger

What are some good places to see painted models/figures?

drhazard

Well, www.brushthralls.com is sort of like PP's version of 'Eavy Metal, except better hints and tips now. You could also just sort by PP models over at CMON, though I hate that bloated site with a passion.

DouglasDanger

Hm. I have seen everything at brush thralls. awesome stuff there.

Aegeri

The people at the local games store I go to play this often and I've finally decided to get a Skorne army.

Now I play 40k, Warhammer and this.

God help me

GrimDog420

skorne is tough to play now, you might want to hold out till the paingivers and basalisks come out in november/december

Aegeri

GrimDog420 wrote:

skorne is tough to play now, you might want to hold out till the paingivers and basalisks come out in november/december

I don't really care, I just like the models.



I will play hordes eventually, because I really like the system, but for now I'm not terribly worried that the new models haven't been released yet.

Edit: Also, it's because everyone else here plays Legion of Everblight, Trollbloods or Circle of Oroboros. As I do not like the Circle of Oroboros and the Trollbloods and I hate a mirror army game almost as much, Skorne were the natural choice.

MeepZero

Recently Ive decided to try out the tabletop RPG scene, and Warmachine has struck my fancy better than most of the other games. Only problem is I got nobody to play with around where I am (good old Dayton Ohio..sigh) There is a local gamestore that sells and has free play for the game..but Id feel a bit akward just walking in and going HEY CAN I PLAY TOO!? ya know?

Anyway, the game looks like a blast to play I love the unit design and attention to detail.

Karilmat

MeepZero wrote:

Recently Ive decided to try out the tabletop RPG scene, and Warmachine has struck my fancy better than most of the other games. Only problem is I got nobody to play with around where I am (good old Dayton Ohio..sigh) There is a local gamestore that sells and has free play for the game..but Id feel a bit akward just walking in and going HEY CAN I PLAY TOO!? ya know?

Anyway, the game looks like a blast to play I love the unit design and attention to detail.

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm pretty new to the whole tabletop minis game myself, and folks I've met tend to be nice and willing to help out. If nothing else, they have an interest in getting you up to speed so they have someone new to play with.

Find out when the Warmachine folks usually show up and show up one day to check it out. Play a demo or two and see if the game is for you. Then, watch some folks actually play the game to see how it really works, since the demos are usually using simplified rules. If you still like it, buy a starter box, put it together, and play some games before you sink money into stuff like paints, brushes, etc.

If all that stuff is obvious, nevermind, but in summary, don't worry about just walking up and joining in, everyone had to do that at some point. =)

MeepZero

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm pretty new to the whole tabletop minis game myself, and folks I've met tend to be nice and willing to help out. If nothing else, they have an interest in getting you up to speed so they have someone new to play with.

Find out when the Warmachine folks usually show up and show up one day to check it out. Play a demo or two and see if the game is for you. Then, watch some folks actually play the game to see how it really works, since the demos are usually using simplified rules. If you still like it, buy a starter box, put it together, and play some games before you sink money into stuff like paints, brushes, etc.

If all that stuff is obvious, nevermind, but in summary, don't worry about just walking up and joining in, everyone had to do that at some point. =)

Thanks for the encouragement there, they give demos on fridays so Ill try it out tomarrow

Karilmat

MeepZero wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm pretty new to the whole tabletop minis game myself, and folks I've met tend to be nice and willing to help out. If nothing else, they have an interest in getting you up to speed so they have someone new to play with.

Find out when the Warmachine folks usually show up and show up one day to check it out. Play a demo or two and see if the game is for you. Then, watch some folks actually play the game to see how it really works, since the demos are usually using simplified rules. If you still like it, buy a starter box, put it together, and play some games before you sink money into stuff like paints, brushes, etc.

If all that stuff is obvious, nevermind, but in summary, don't worry about just walking up and joining in, everyone had to do that at some point. =)

Thanks for the encouragement there, they give demos on fridays so Ill try it out tomarrow

No problem. I really enjoy PP's games, and their models look very good. I have my Legion of Everblight box that I've finished putting together, and I'm looking forward to getting rolled in a week or two at my local gaming store.

Have fun!

Uriel

I'll post this in here too.

One of the coolest looking models in the game, the Cygnar Thunderhead



Although it's not as cool with my crappy paint job.

Iskander

All of the newer Cygnar stuff is great. This guy is manly and sexy enough to be a Khadoran, too bad he's on the wrong side of the war:

Siege Brisbane


And Caine is just pure sex. Think Grammaton Cleric from Equilibrium, only with vintage pistols and steam armor. For him alone I would start a Cygnar army:

Allister Caine:

PMAvers

Man, I need to dig out my digital camera, since this thread needs more Darius.

I guess the iSight can deal for now.

Couldn't get a good picture of him, but my current 500-point list.



Hooray for Darius!

Add one of these fellows, who you've been introduced to already in the thread:



Pulp the enemy into goo with these:


(A Centurion and a Stormclad.)

Add Full Throttle to taste. Ass-kicking shall commense.

Yes, I know it's three heavies. Only had a chance to play with it once, but it's worked thus far. (Even though the Centurion couldn't roll worth crap to hit Sevvy.)

And one of my favorite 'merc jacks, the Vanguard. (Not part of the list, just for kicks.)



And the "closest thing to a living light 'jack", the Ogrun Bokur.

Iskander

PMAvers wrote:

And the "closest thing to a living light 'jack", the Ogrun Bokur.

I think you will find that this title is already occupied by the Khador Man-O-War Kovnik

PMAvers

Iskander wrote:

I think you will find that this title is already occupied by the Khador Man-O-War Kovnik

I was mainly referencing that the Bokur's about the same size and strength naturally without having to have on fancy thick power-armor.

GrimDog420

im getting rid of some of my warmachine armies if anyone is interested:

link

if linking barter town is not cool, pls delete this

Uriel

I just about finished up my Thunderhead.

It's an awesome model, well worth the money just to paint and display.

I think I'm in love.

I'll post pictures of it when I touch it up just a tiny bit more and stuff. It already looks awesome from table distance their are just a few little spots that could look better in the up close pictures I'm gonna take.

PMAvers

BTW, in case anyone didn't see it, Plycon's Keep is having a sale on Hordes warpacks (due to a ton of Hordes stuff coming out this month). They're 40% off, so $29.99 for them.

http://www.plyconskeep.com/hordes/warpack_special.htm

If you've ever wanted to get into it, this is a good way.

Anthrax! Please.

PMAvers wrote:

BTW, in case anyone didn't see it, Plycon's Keep is having a sale on Hordes warpacks (due to a ton of Hordes stuff coming out this month). They're 40% off, so $29.99 for them.

http://www.plyconskeep.com/hordes/warpack_special.htm

If you've ever wanted to get into it, this is a good way.

I love you. You are so sweet.

(Trollbloods kill kill kill!)

I have a warpack on the way! Yey!

Evil Multifarious

I will probably be ebaying a large (1500 points +) Cryx army, and a small, ~500 points Trollblood army (with some hella good painted models I got as a gift) sometime in the near future. I can throw a link up to the auction when it's up, if anyone wants to get a solid starting army for either game for cheap. I have all the books except Superiority as well.

GrimDog420

put it on bartertown.org first, no ebay fees at least.

Anthrax! Please.

A couple of weeks ago (before I ordered my trollblood warpack), I played in a warpack game (around 300 points), with 2 friends and a stranger. I borrowed the game store owner's Skorne army, one friend had a Trollblood warpack, and his girlfriend, also my friend, was playing the store owner's Ouroburos(sp?) warpack. The fourth is a guy named Nate, playing the dwarf merc, with Ogrun, and six grundback gunners.

We play king of the hill. My trollblood friend decides that since it's his first game with his trolls, he wants to see how slow they die, and charges the Warmachines guy, Nate. So that leaves Rachel and I vying for the top of the hill. She charges. Being Ourobuos, she makes it there first, leaving her warpwolf fighting two of my cyclops savages. My gladiator was sent off to fight the warmachines guy. Rachel's two Arguses, positioned neatly around her warcaster, sit at the top of the hill and she starts getting points.

My gladiator, down the hill, looks up and sees a bowling formation.

"So, what's a slam attack?" I ask, as it's only my second time playing, "I see that I get +3 because of my massive tusks."

One charge, and a few good rolls later, everyone except my four armed elephant jackhammer is prone on the top of the hill. I flat out killed one Argus, dropped the other to comatose levels of retardation, and Kaya is suddenly alone on the top of the hill with my gladiator. Next turn, I kill both the remaining argus and the warpwolf (cyclops's are deadly fury efficient, and Morghoul can hit often and moderately hard).

Then it's Kaya vs my whole warpack.

That was pretty cool. I want my trollblood warpack now, though.

Also, TheOtherHorseman, that was the coolest goddamn review I have ever read, and it flat out pushed me over the edge towards purchasing a warpack.

MegaMan001

So I was wandering around various Warmachine stuff and I stumbled on this gem:



And I immediately thought "Gun Caster" yup, I'm going to start playing.

So I'm going to play as Cygnar, and I had one question: This is guy, Capt. Maxwell Finn, a special character or is he just a kind of warcaster? In the game, do you use a standard 'Warcaster' or any special character? What I am getting at, is I would like to field this guy in basically every game, how feasible is that?

EDIT: Apparently his name is "Allister Caine" (warstore.com mislabeled him) and he has a "Warcaster" model version then an Epic Warcaster" version (shown above). What is the difference in being able to field him?

TheOtherHorseman

Epic versions of Warcasters tend to have somewhat different abilities from their normal counterparts, as they reflect "promotion" of sorts. The character has become more powerful since the original model was released. Some digging around might net you some generic descriptions of his new powers. Privateer Press tends to look down on people posting stats, though. To the max.

MegaMan001

TheOtherHorseman wrote:

Epic versions of Warcasters tend to have somewhat different abilities from their normal counterparts, as they reflect "promotion" of sorts. The character has become more powerful since the original model was released. Some digging around might net you some generic descriptions of his new powers. Privateer Press tends to look down on people posting stats, though. To the max.

What is the deal with picking a warcaster though. Is a warcaster just a class of "Warcaster" and there are a bunch of Warcaster named models? Or, is each warcaster an individual unique character with different abilities (a la the specific generals in 40k?)

If they are different, at what point do you get to choose a name Warcaster?

Echo

Different Warcasters have different abilities that lend themselves to different strategies. Some have stuff that boosts 'jacks, others have stuff that improve your infantry and so on.