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Can't sleep

DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
So I've always had sleeping problems

But now here I am, first week of college, and I've already missed 2 classes because I can't get to sleep prior to about 6 am. I was out waiting for the bus just now until I broke out in sweat, became extremely dizzy and almost vomited before I came back here to my dorm. I already went through 3 or so days of lectures and classes on about half an hour to an hour of sleep.

I just end up laying in bed all night staring at the ceiling, regardless of whenever I actually do try and get to sleep. In the past, I took advantage of this by taking a night job to do my studies and assignments all evening.

Are there any effective methods to getting to sleep?

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I usually would listen to a very soothing song (Enya, certain Dead Can Dance songs, sometimes classical).. it helps, lets you concentrate on something that isn't awakening (always play it low) to the senses. It usually helped me fall asleep.

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    Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    If this is an ongoing problem, you should try to get referred to a sleep specialist. That'll take time though, so you can try these as a stopgap:
    1. Masturbate
    2. Drink warm milk
    3. Diphenhydramine (Benadryl)
    4. Alcohol

    Alcohol might be a controversial suggestion (and illegal I guess if you're underage) but if it's taken infrequently and in relatively small quantities it shouldn't have any adverse side-effects, and it doesn't have the same half-life as Benadryl, so you're less likely to wake up still feeling it. You should definitely try the first two before the third or fourth (but not both 3 and 4 together).

    Also, if you don't exercise, try that, but not right before bed. I think you want at least two hours between a workout and sleep, but someone from the fitness thread would know better.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Alright, thanks. I'll make an attempt.

    Most times what happens is if I try to sleep, the brain starts going at a million miles an hour of white noise, and I eventually get up to try and clear my head or find a textbook to read for a bit or some such.

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Do you have anything severely stressing you in life? Stress is a major factor with being able to sleep. Can you just not stop thinking, or doing things?

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm not sure. I would not say I am stressed, I was clinically depressed for a good 4 or 5 years, but not as stressed.

    Though if this situation persists or escalates, I probably will be.

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Have you tried consulting a docter about the problem? I'm no docter.. so I can't tell you anything medically wrong that could cause it, but my guess is it's emotional.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    After seeing a few doctors, and from my own studies, I was directed towards psychological therapy, where I was diagnosed as depressed and put on anti-depressants.

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well I'm not here to judge, but it doesn't sound like the anti-depressants seem to be working... o_O You could be having a side affect... after going on the anti-depressants, did you notice any change.. or nothing different at all?

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    Alright, thanks. I'll make an attempt.

    Most times what happens is if I try to sleep, the brain starts going at a million miles an hour of white noise, and I eventually get up to try and clear my head or find a textbook to read for a bit or some such.

    Take a notebook, when you can't fall asleep, write down whatever you're thinking about. This is a situation I've come to notice with a few of my friends that I've recommended this too that works quite well. Their brain is going so fast trying to think of stuff and it doesn't want to forget. Writing down helps you conceptualize what you're thinking and what's bothering you, get it down on paper so you won't forget, and hopefully put your mind at ease.

    Hopefully you're having the same issue with the can't sleep problem they did. I also hope it works for you.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    complete stability of mood

    as in I might as well have been of the walking dead.

    Also, no changes in sleep, and sometimes mild bouts of psychosis.

    Thus I went off them.

    Edit: Thanks bowen, I will attempt this.

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Follow Bowen's advice, it's good.

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    RookRook Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lots of exercise usually helps.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Rook wrote: »
    Lots of exercise usually helps.

    I don't know, lots of exercise before bed usually keeps me up longer. I'm a very easy sleeper too. Seems like it has an adrenaline effect on you, although you may crash shortly after?

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    TheGreat2ndTheGreat2nd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    Lots of exercise usually helps.

    I don't know, lots of exercise before bed usually keeps me up longer. I'm a very easy sleeper too. Seems like it has an adrenaline effect on you, although you may crash shortly after?

    Not before you sleep.
    More like, during the day, a good 4 hours before you sleep.

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    Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, never exercise right before bed.. the adrenaline keeps you going. Do it earlier in the day so when you run off the buzz you can sleep.

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    ihmmyihmmy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    warm milk with honey often works for me
    as does a half glass of wine, for some reason especially red wine (you can buy wine in boxes so you only have a half glass at a time instead of wasting a whole bottle) - but this is one that should be used sparingly, not every night
    I also listen to music every night while falling asleep, david usher and sarah mclachlan type stuff, turned down quite low but just enough that I can hear it and it kind of distracts me from my own thoughts and makes it easier to fall asleep.
    When I -really- need sleep and I'm not dozing off, I do occasionally take some herbal sleeping pills I have with valerian in them. They don't require 8 hours of sleep to work off, they basically just make you dozy for an hour or two. Again, this is not something you should be taking every night, and you may want to check with your doc about interactions between that and your anti-depressants (my brand of anti-d's is apparently fine with valerian, but st johns wort is an uber no-go)

    what time are you laying down to sleep? Try going to bed earlier too, so that if it takes you 5 hours to fall asleep at least you get a little sleepytime in.

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    Ani_BAni_B Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Do you find yourself using your bed/bedroom for a lot of day to day living stuff? Like using the computer in it, watching tv in it, reading it in, eating in it, ect.? I suffered from horrible, crippling insomnia for over 2 years, coupled with major depressive disorder, and even sleeping pills stopped working. I was guilty of using my bedroom as living room, kitchen, computer desk, whatever. I've finally gotten over doing that and my sleep has improved drastically. I cannot tell you how good it feels to get in to bed, lay down, and actually drift off in ten minutes, opposed to tossing and turning and getting frustrated all night. Basically all you should be doing in your bedroom/bed is sleeping. It helps your body equate bed=sleep, not bed=watching tv, surfing internet, snacking, reading. This is a pretty good link about sleep hygiene. I found it extremely helpful. Good luck. Insomnia is brutal.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pop a melatonin about ten hours before you have to be up.

    It's the chemical that tells your brain "I'm tired, I need to go to sleep." If you take one, you should be out in no time. Just don't make a habit of it (it's not as habit-forming as a lot of sleep aids, but it can still be habit-forming).

    Exercising a few hours before bed and masturbating shortly before you go to bed are also good suggestions. If you find you can't get to sleep after about 15-20 minutes, don't continue to lie in bed; get up and do something. Use your bed only for sleeping; don't study, read, watch TV, or do anything else while in bed. This will condition your brain to associate the bed with sleep.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'll second the soothing music suggestion. I put alot of lounge music on my PSP, and put on some comfortable headphones and just lay there. Takes maybe a few minutes and I'm normally knocked out. Just be sure to listen to all the songs you put on there... I had a techno song on there that woke me up in the middle of the night a few times, but I didn't delete it out of sheer tiredness.

    Lounge, classical, and ambient are always good choices.

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    RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    No TV, no computer an hour before bed. Read and keep the lights low. No loud music. A lot of dorms have the harsh florescent lights that will keep you up.

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    NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    My brain used to go a million miles a minute when I was a kid, and I had a really hard time falling asleep.

    Something that's helped me over the years is to have a fan running at night, for white noise. I've learned it's a lot harder for me to sleep at night without one.

    It also helps to drown out any "repetitious noises" or general small noises happening around you.

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    mad4drpeppermad4drpepper Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    To each his own... people are going to react differently to different types of stimuli. In my case, I don’t have a problem at all with falling asleep after exercising. The whole warm milk thing... yeah I am pretty sure that’s been disproven by now. I like to have a routine set up before I go to bed. Something that tells your brain... "Okay, now it’s time to go sleep". Try stretching? Listening to some relaxing music? Kill the lights and yeah… stay away from the computer for at least 30 minutes before bed time. Keep a journal too, something to write your thoughts down in, whatever they may be. That helps me out greatly. I personally find it hard to fall asleep when there are a billion thoughts running through my head. Putting them down on paper helps deal with that.

    There are so many other factors that could come into play here... it really is hard to say what’s up without seeing the doc. Stress, diet, exercise (or the lack there of), chemical balance, personal habits... etc.

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    roywhitbyroywhitby Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    One thing that has helped me is visuallizing sititng in a theatre and watching a blank screen. A hypnotist in a show I watched used this and it put me right out and it helps me when I have problems sleeping.

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    ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Be forewarned that melatonin can cause horrible nightmares. I can attest to this. Also do not put all your hope in prescription sleep drugs. I've been battling severe insomnia for quite a while now and I thought that would be the answer. Sadly they only worked about 50% of the time and they were rather costly. To the point it was not an effective solution.

    Something that did help me was finding a group of people to discuss this with. I suppose you could call it a support group but we weren't official and didn't have meetings with cookies and punch. Although looking back I would not have complained about cookies or punch. Anyway it was just a group of guys that all had severe insomnia. We were introduced by the psych at our student health office on campus. He was treating us all and wanted us to try this. It actually helped a lot because we all understood exactly what we were going through. The one thing I've noticed about insomnia is that people who have no trouble sleeping do not even think of it as an actual condition. Most of my friends and family were apathetic or did not believe that insomnia warranted medical attention. Few people know what it is like to sleep every 48 hours.

    edit: the point of that last paragraph btw was that if you would like someone to talk to shoot me a PM. I'll help anyone that asks as I have tried every solution and trick that exists.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Be forewarned that melatonin can cause horrible nightmares

    Only if you have a nightmare. If you have a regular dream, it's incredibly vivid... Which in itself is probably just as terrifying.

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    ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Be forewarned that melatonin can cause horrible nightmares

    Only if you have a nightmare. If you have a regular dream, it's incredibly vivid... Which in itself is probably just as terrifying.

    That's interesting. I haven't had a nightmare since I was a kid but when I was taking melatonin I began having them every two or three nights. I don't remember any good vivid dreams but I remember some very scary shit involving rather large spiders.

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    SarcastroSarcastro Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The writing suggestion is a good one, though I have found I'll stay up just as late trying to finish my thoughts as I would have staring at the ceiling. Ah well, at least its productive.

    Watch the caffiene and stimulant intake - I didn't start getting sensitive to caffiene until I turned twenty, and then I spent a lot of restless nights wondering what the fuck, as my diet hadn't changed; I cut out caffiene after 4pm, and suddenly i was back to 'normal' (which is still pretty lame sleepwise, but survivable.)

    I had excellent results with cardio. A good long 'run' (elliptical) even in the morning makes me feel good all day and generally sleep well at night. I still have the composer's curse, which is to say if I've been thinking about something all day, inspiration will hit near drifting time and I have to get it down before it fades- but that takes us back to step one of writing stuff down.

    I guess what I'm saying is don't try just one thing, try a few things, and the success rates will be more even when some of them don't work out that night.

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    BEAST!BEAST! Adventurer Adventure!!!!!Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Shogun wrote: »
    Be forewarned that melatonin can cause horrible nightmares.
    haha, yeah...a couple of us have mentioned this....i really had no idea that others suffered from this as well until this thread....

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Sarcastro wrote: »
    The writing suggestion is a good one, though I have found I'll stay up just as late trying to finish my thoughts as I would have staring at the ceiling. Ah well, at least its productive.

    Watch the caffiene and stimulant intake - I didn't start getting sensitive to caffiene until I turned twenty, and then I spent a lot of restless nights wondering what the fuck, as my diet hadn't changed; I cut out caffiene after 4pm, and suddenly i was back to 'normal' (which is still pretty lame sleepwise, but survivable.)

    I had excellent results with cardio. A good long 'run' (elliptical) even in the morning makes me feel good all day and generally sleep well at night. I still have the composer's curse, which is to say if I've been thinking about something all day, inspiration will hit near drifting time and I have to get it down before it fades- but that takes us back to step one of writing stuff down.

    I guess what I'm saying is don't try just one thing, try a few things, and the success rates will be more even when some of them don't work out that night.

    Yeah I've noticed a lot of these are the composer's curse, however it also ends up in keeping you up just as late. Maybe this is why some people keep journals and stuff, I never really understood the appeal of them.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Shogun wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    Be forewarned that melatonin can cause horrible nightmares

    Only if you have a nightmare. If you have a regular dream, it's incredibly vivid... Which in itself is probably just as terrifying.

    That's interesting. I haven't had a nightmare since I was a kid but when I was taking melatonin I began having them every two or three nights. I don't remember any good vivid dreams but I remember some very scary shit involving rather large spiders.

    *shudders* I like reading zombie books beforehand. Obviously that makes for a crazy dream.

    But yeah, you can find some good :winky: dreams from it. Lots of porn before you go to bed then? I dunno. Hehe.

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    noobertnoobert Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lay off the caffeine. That fixed all my sleeping problems.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    and now it is frat party night here at the dorm, meaning the halls are roaring with people who I assume have never drank or partied before banging on my door sporting backwards baseball caps and glazed stares

    Maybe I can get earplugs.

    Or I'll just drink until I pass out.

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    and now it is frat party night here at the dorm, meaning the halls are roaring with people who I assume have never drank or partied before banging on my door sporting backwards baseball caps and glazed stares

    Maybe I can get earplugs.

    Or I'll just drink until I pass out.

    can't you get an RA to do something about that if they're gonna be so assholish about it?

    My floor was just like this last year. Stupid brohams and their dirty whore guests slamming doors and running back and forth. Then again, my RA didn't do shit, so YMMV.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Naw, these guys were banging on my door with calls of "COME DRINK, OR ARE YOU A LOSER FAGGOT?!" while I was trying to have a quiet night of finishing some financing and save my booze for a party with friends tomorrow night.

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    DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Oh hey cool, alot of people just came here and apologized to me.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Honestly, that stuff is going to happen a lot at the very beginning of the year, then calm down as the semester continues.

    Just accept it as part of living in a dorm, be cool about it, and move on.

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    noobertnoobert Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    Oh hey cool, alot of people just came here and apologized to me.

    Did you accept their apology with a few drinks?

    Did those drinks help you sleep?

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    cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    hmm, I've never had brohams and brosephs apologize for shit!

    maybe seeing this phenomenon will make you sleep better.

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