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Official Veep Debate Thread: FULL DEBATE VIDEO IN FIRST POST

necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
in Debate and/or Discourse
Full Debate on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FbCPzAsRA

WARNING: The rules for the first Presidential Debate thread apply here as well. This is the only warning you'll get about not filling this thread with stuff unrelated to the debate. And I don't mean tangentially related stuff is OK. This is a debate commentary thread, so don't fill it with commentary about how Palin blows moose and Biden's USRDA of his own feet exceeds 9000 before it starts.


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Now, the most important part: Rules for the Vice-Presidential Debate Drinking Game
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Kate of Lokys wrote: »
There's no point in you getting both of yourselves all worked up and ready to chart the undiscovered country, then having her flush crimson red, run to the bathroom, and spend twenty minutes straining and grunting and stressing out because you're all ready to deliver your package but there's a three inch thick Sunday paper clogging up the mail slot.
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Its like a jimmy hat only it stops stupidity not aids.

    So you'd just be watching Biden talk/shout at himself for an hour or two?

    God willing, I could listen to Biden read the dictionary... with his shirt off that come hither look in his eye that creepy constipated jack o lantern grin.

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    Glaeal wrote: »
    I'm convinced that anyone that is watching these debates to see Sarah Palin fall apart will be sorely disappointed. Her answers will probably have zero actual content, but apparently she's damn good at the no-answer answer.

    We've only seen her good at the "no-answer answer" when talking about Alaska. Anything dealing with the national stage has been an utter train wreck for her.

    "But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that..."

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    Glaeal wrote: »
    I'm convinced that anyone that is watching these debates to see Sarah Palin fall apart will be sorely disappointed. Her answers will probably have zero actual content, but apparently she's damn good at the no-answer answer.

    We've only seen her good at the "no-answer answer" when talking about Alaska. Anything dealing with the national stage has been an utter train wreck for her.

    "But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that..."

    [Jack Cafferty] Did you get that? [/Jack Cafferty]

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    Please let this be true.

    If for whatever god awful reason the McCain campaign thinks Palin trying to bring the heat tonight is a good idea, all bets are off. If she gets snarky and attacks, Biden's got as close to free rein to smack her down as anyone is going to get.

    This might, might, have worked if it came out of nowhere by throwing him off once long enough to become a soundbite the media could drool over to the exclusion of covering the other 95% of the time he was dominating, but calling it ahead of time takes away the "what the hell did she just say?" value.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    Glaeal wrote: »
    I'm convinced that anyone that is watching these debates to see Sarah Palin fall apart will be sorely disappointed. Her answers will probably have zero actual content, but apparently she's damn good at the no-answer answer.

    We've only seen her good at the "no-answer answer" when talking about Alaska. Anything dealing with the national stage has been an utter train wreck for her.

    "But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that..."

    Wasn't that one of the verbatim quotes used in the SNL sketch?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    necroSYS wrote: »
    If I could pick one of the questions from that list, it would be this one:
    The claim by Dick Cheney that he was exempt from certain disclosure requirements because the vice president was a “legislative officer” has been greeted with outrage. But the main power the Constitution grants the vice president is a legislative one — breaking a tie vote in the Senate.

    So, Governor Palin, Senator Biden, doesn’t Mr. Cheney have a point?

    But, then, if the vice president is a legislative officer, how can he wield the vast executive powers that Mr. Cheney has exercised, including orchestrating and supervising a warrantless wiretapping program?

    Can the vice president shift between branches at his convenience? If not, what, in your view, is the constitutional status of the vice presidency?

    I'd like to hear both candidates' ideas about the proper role and powers of the vice-president, especially in light of the power grab made by Cheney. (I also think this will be a great time to see Palin fall on her ass, since she barely knows what the constitutional role of the VP is, let alone what it should be.)

    I agree entirely.

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  • necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    I'd say this thread needs a poll, but that's just related to my prior experience with debate polls.

    My bet is that the debate is a draw. Sarah has something approximating style, but more importantly she can answer a question in a seemingly impressive manner without actually answering it.

    I'd love to accomodate you, but either I fail at this version of the forums, or only mods can make polls.

    Kate of Lokys wrote: »
    There's no point in you getting both of yourselves all worked up and ready to chart the undiscovered country, then having her flush crimson red, run to the bathroom, and spend twenty minutes straining and grunting and stressing out because you're all ready to deliver your package but there's a three inch thick Sunday paper clogging up the mail slot.
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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    Glaeal wrote: »
    I'm convinced that anyone that is watching these debates to see Sarah Palin fall apart will be sorely disappointed. Her answers will probably have zero actual content, but apparently she's damn good at the no-answer answer.

    We've only seen her good at the "no-answer answer" when talking about Alaska. Anything dealing with the national stage has been an utter train wreck for her.

    "But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that..."
    To be a good nonanswer it must at least be coherent.


    Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
    get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
    have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero Registered User regular
    Veegeezee wrote: »
    since when did anybody do any debating in one of these things?

    Yeah, they basically just insult eachother with snarky remarks. Just like this forum!

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  • necroSYSnecroSYS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    necroSYS wrote: »
    If I could pick one of the questions from that list, it would be this one:
    The claim by Dick Cheney that he was exempt from certain disclosure requirements because the vice president was a “legislative officer” has been greeted with outrage. But the main power the Constitution grants the vice president is a legislative one — breaking a tie vote in the Senate.

    So, Governor Palin, Senator Biden, doesn’t Mr. Cheney have a point?

    But, then, if the vice president is a legislative officer, how can he wield the vast executive powers that Mr. Cheney has exercised, including orchestrating and supervising a warrantless wiretapping program?

    Can the vice president shift between branches at his convenience? If not, what, in your view, is the constitutional status of the vice presidency?

    I'd like to hear both candidates' ideas about the proper role and powers of the vice-president, especially in light of the power grab made by Cheney. (I also think this will be a great time to see Palin fall on her ass, since she barely knows what the constitutional role of the VP is, let alone what it should be.)

    I agree entirely.
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    CBS wrote:
    Couric: What do you think is the best and worst thing that Dick Cheney has done as Vice President?

    Palin: Worst thing I guess would have been the duck hunting accident...The best thing though; he as he has shown the support, along with George W. Bush, of our troops.

    Kate of Lokys wrote: »
    There's no point in you getting both of yourselves all worked up and ready to chart the undiscovered country, then having her flush crimson red, run to the bathroom, and spend twenty minutes straining and grunting and stressing out because you're all ready to deliver your package but there's a three inch thick Sunday paper clogging up the mail slot.
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I hope Iphil saw that.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    necroSYS wrote: »
    If I could pick one of the questions from that list, it would be this one:
    The claim by Dick Cheney that he was exempt from certain disclosure requirements because the vice president was a “legislative officer” has been greeted with outrage. But the main power the Constitution grants the vice president is a legislative one — breaking a tie vote in the Senate.

    So, Governor Palin, Senator Biden, doesn’t Mr. Cheney have a point?

    But, then, if the vice president is a legislative officer, how can he wield the vast executive powers that Mr. Cheney has exercised, including orchestrating and supervising a warrantless wiretapping program?

    Can the vice president shift between branches at his convenience? If not, what, in your view, is the constitutional status of the vice presidency?

    I'd like to hear both candidates' ideas about the proper role and powers of the vice-president, especially in light of the power grab made by Cheney. (I also think this will be a great time to see Palin fall on her ass, since she barely knows what the constitutional role of the VP is, let alone what it should be.)

    I agree entirely.

    Biden's answered this already, but I'm too lazy to find the answer. :oops:

    He has no intention of overstepping the role of VP as Cheney has.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    NailbunnyPD wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    necroSYS wrote: »
    If I could pick one of the questions from that list, it would be this one:
    The claim by Dick Cheney that he was exempt from certain disclosure requirements because the vice president was a “legislative officer” has been greeted with outrage. But the main power the Constitution grants the vice president is a legislative one — breaking a tie vote in the Senate.

    So, Governor Palin, Senator Biden, doesn’t Mr. Cheney have a point?

    But, then, if the vice president is a legislative officer, how can he wield the vast executive powers that Mr. Cheney has exercised, including orchestrating and supervising a warrantless wiretapping program?

    Can the vice president shift between branches at his convenience? If not, what, in your view, is the constitutional status of the vice presidency?

    I'd like to hear both candidates' ideas about the proper role and powers of the vice-president, especially in light of the power grab made by Cheney. (I also think this will be a great time to see Palin fall on her ass, since she barely knows what the constitutional role of the VP is, let alone what it should be.)

    I agree entirely.

    Biden's answered this already, but I'm too lazy to find the answer. :oops:

    He has no intention of overstepping the role of VP as Cheney has.

    When Couric asked him what the worst thing Cheney has done, Biden answered, "walking all over the Constitution."

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg

    the candidates arriving


    I bet she's got an earpiece under all that hair. I only remember seeing her hair down in one of her very early rallies.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    NailbunnyPD wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    necroSYS wrote: »
    If I could pick one of the questions from that list, it would be this one:
    The claim by Dick Cheney that he was exempt from certain disclosure requirements because the vice president was a “legislative officer” has been greeted with outrage. But the main power the Constitution grants the vice president is a legislative one — breaking a tie vote in the Senate.

    So, Governor Palin, Senator Biden, doesn’t Mr. Cheney have a point?

    But, then, if the vice president is a legislative officer, how can he wield the vast executive powers that Mr. Cheney has exercised, including orchestrating and supervising a warrantless wiretapping program?

    Can the vice president shift between branches at his convenience? If not, what, in your view, is the constitutional status of the vice presidency?

    I'd like to hear both candidates' ideas about the proper role and powers of the vice-president, especially in light of the power grab made by Cheney. (I also think this will be a great time to see Palin fall on her ass, since she barely knows what the constitutional role of the VP is, let alone what it should be.)

    I agree entirely.

    Biden's answered this already, but I'm too lazy to find the answer. :oops:

    He has no intention of overstepping the role of VP as Cheney has.

    When Couric asked him what the worst thing Cheney has done, Biden answered, "walking all over the Constitution."


    I love him.

    ...it's in the shape of a giant c**k.
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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Biden: Long Lost Brother of Hunter S. Thompson?

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    Clevinger wrote: »
    t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg

    the candidates arriving


    I bet she's got an earpiece under all that hair. I only remember seeing her hair down in one of her very early rallies.

    I'm still not convinced that shape under Bush's jacket was a portable difibrilator.

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Clevinger wrote: »
    t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg

    the candidates arriving


    I bet she's got an earpiece under all that hair.

    Palin looks like she's arriving at some kind of county fair. Biden looks like he's about to make a hit.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Clevinger wrote: »
    t1land.palin.biden.gi.jpg

    the candidates arriving


    I bet she's got an earpiece under all that hair.

    Palin looks like she's arriving at some kind of county fair. Biden looks like he's about to make a hit.

    Well in a way, he is.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    You know, I'm in Obama's camp through and through, but I'm going to laugh when she vastly exceeds your alls' nonexistent expectations.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    You know, I'm in Obama's camp through and through, but I'm going to laugh when she vastly exceeds your alls' nonexistent expectations.

    0x0 is still... 0

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    You know, I'm in Obama's camp through and through, but I'm going to laugh when she vastly exceeds your alls' nonexistent expectations.

    We'll see.

    I'm psyched. The odds of something incredibly stupid being said tonight is extremely high, and I loves me a good gaffe. Also, Gwen Ifill! <3 This is like a perfect storm of political debates.

    ...I need to go make popcorn.

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  • visiblehowlvisiblehowl Registered User regular
    "Blink" should be on the drinking game Palin word list.

    "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it."

    "Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    Baaahhh, why do these things always have to air around normal people's work schedule? I will either have to find a stream that gets through my work firewall or watch it later.

    Honestly this contains so much more raw potential for entertainment than the Obama/McCain debate.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    I can't get this out of my head:

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    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    I can't get this out of my head:

    Babyvsrhinoshirt.jpg

    Wait, what?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I can't get this out of my head:

    Babyvsrhinoshirt.jpg

    Wait, what?

    Baby versus Rhino.

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  • FeralFeral Who needs a medical license when you've got style? Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Baby versus Rhino.

    God, I love the zoo.

    I am comforted by Richard Dawkins’ theory of memes. Those are mental units: thoughts, ideas, gestures, notions, songs, beliefs, rhymes, ideals, teachings, sayings, phrases, clichés that move from mind to mind as genes move from body to body. After a lifetime of writing, teaching, broadcasting and telling too many jokes, I will leave behind more memes than many. They will all also eventually die, but so it goes. - Roger Ebert, I Do Not Fear Death
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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    Great line on CNN re Palin:
    If she doesn't fall off the podium, she has exceeded expectations.

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I can't get this out of my head:

    Babyvsrhinoshirt.jpg

    Wait, what?

    Baby versus Rhino.

    Well, yeah. I got that. Still... What?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I can't get this out of my head:

    Babyvsrhinoshirt.jpg

    Wait, what?

    Baby versus Rhino.

    Well, yeah. I got that. Still... What?

    Palin is the baby, and Biden is the rhino.
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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    visiblehowl wrote: »
    "Blink" should be on the drinking game Palin word list.

    Don't blink

    Whatever you do don't blink
    Spoiler:

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  • JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    JamesKeenan wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I can't get this out of my head:

    Babyvsrhinoshirt.jpg

    Wait, what?

    Baby versus Rhino.

    Well, yeah. I got that. Still... What?

    Palin is the baby, and Biden is the rhino.

    20040507h.gif

    The "Palin = Baby" part I gleaned just from context.

    Somehow, though, I either never saw that comic, or didn't remember it.

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  • reVersereVerse The shadow's come to stay Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    visiblehowl wrote: »
    "Blink" should be on the drinking game Palin word list.

    Don't blink

    Whatever you do don't blink
    Spoiler:

    Oh goddamnit.

    I'm gonna have those nightmares again.

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  • KhaczorKhaczor Registered User regular
    What is the IRC information?! Post on 1st page if possible

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    visiblehowl wrote: »
    "Blink" should be on the drinking game Palin word list.

    Don't blink

    Whatever you do don't blink
    Spoiler:

    Oh goddamnit.

    I'm gonna have those nightmares again.
    That one was so awesome yet frightening.

    spacekungfuman wrote: »
    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    Er, what's the IRC chat room we have for this debate again?

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Wrath Registered User regular
    Soooo ready for this.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Do I win or lose the drinking game if I started three hours ago sans conditionals?

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Lovely wrote: »
    Er, what's the IRC chat room we have for this debate again?

    irc.slashnet.org
    #2008elections

    Off to make popcorn!

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