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Official Veep Debate Thread: FULL DEBATE VIDEO IN FIRST POST
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Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
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Also, yes, I am insane because I think Sarah Palin believes in the conservative values she espouses. Clearly.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Look asshole thats the middle class and on top of that you are forgetting the free gifts from mining companies and oil companies to get legislation passed that just happens to benefit them. Christ you libs everyone is worse then you!
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to be calling out for you to respond to, I was highlighting to show my agreement. Forgive me if Lime Green highlights are meant for something other than what I took them for. I'm still not 100% vcersed with the ins-and-outs of the PA forum.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Actually, since NBC used the MSNBC reporting, you have to tally them together.
ah...did I speak out in sympathy for Palin being hit by the economy? Or are you another chucklehead that thinks if I don't LOVE EVERY WET INCH of Biden, I must be a devout republican?
As for his son being deployed (in signals, btw, NTTAWWT), Biden voted for the fuckin' thing, I would say that sets him aside a bit from all the other war parents. If Biden is really moved to tears by his son going to war, well, he has a lot more power then anyone on my block to stop the war.
(Lime, btw, is for things that are very true)
BS. There is no clear definition of economic standard for Middle Class, and it varies wildly by state. Alaska has the median income of $52,141. Palin's salary is more than double the average mean. Her reported salary is $125,000 according to KTUU, where she was a sports reporter for several years. You can say, "but some of that includes X, Y, and Z" but unless you provide some kind of link to back up your shit-slinging, I'm not even going to bother take you at your word.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Don't stop he's on a roll.
Look when the germans bombed pearl habor did we give up?
You do know that it typically doesn't matter if what branch, you eventually have to do door-knocks, right? I know people who handle field artillery maintenance, they still have to do door-knocks every few months. One of my guildmates is still torn up over having to shoot a kid. He normally does server and tech maintenance.
My mention of Palin's well-ff slary was to provide direct contrast to "I think he was a single parent who could afford child care and tutors, and that's not my middle America." My point was, NO ONE up there represented the Middle Class. To pain Biden as the only one is being disingenuous.
So, because Biden approved the war and his son is being deployed, that means Biden is obviously faking his emotion to win votes? I fail to see the logic in that, but whatever.
By the way, keep the fucking personal insults out of it, please. I NEVER denigrated you or made snide personal attacks.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Well, I thought I made my contempt for Sarah Palin pretty clear earlier. I don't think Joe Biden is literally a sith lord, animated only by dark energy. But I think he's got enough theatre to feel intensely while on the stage, and make it known that he's doing so. I just don't love the guy. Don't like Palin either.
There's a difference between no love and intense irrational hate of a person to the point of accusing them of faking it when he almost cried over his deceased wife and daughter.
You're a bit on the extreme side there, Johnny, and you've acknowledged that, so don't try to backpeddle here.
One of my favorite parts.
# 9:17 PM Dan O’Brien -She’s running for Vice President?
# 9:17 PM Dan O’Brien -WHOA
# 9:17 PM Michael Swaim -No, she’s running for President, but she has to wait eight months if she wins.
I'm not saying he staged it, 100%.
But he brought it up, talked about it at length and then choked up. If I was on a televised debate for a national office, I would try to avoid crying.
I'd term it a rational hate. I don't like the guy's personality, at all. It's not a deal breaker. I'll drop it if you will.
Actually, he didn't bring it up. Palin brought up the mention of his wife (for her political gain) and Biden understandably got emotional over it.
You can't call your reaction "knee-jerk" and then retract and call it a "rational" hate, when your only supporting argument is your gut. Not liking his personality isn't a good reason to question someone's humanity.
"Rational hate"? Really?
Welcome to the internet.
Seriously though, it's nothing to get embarassed about. We all do it at one point or another. Shit, I did it myself earlier today.
I hear ya in a lot of ways. I'm definitely not a Biden fan either. PATRIOT Act, No Child Left Behind, Defense of Marriage Act, denying Pell grants to inmates, I could go on. Sorry if I missed your previous responses about Palin, I honestly had no idea on what your full take was. The only reason I'm rooting for Biden is, "lesser of 2 evils." It's a shitty way to choose, but that's what we're stuck with.
I can see people thinking Biden's emotion was fake, but I honestly don't think it was. There's several reasons why, most notably his stuttering. To fake something like that is the pinnacle of acting and is something that is immensely difficult to pull off. I admit, it does seem very politically convenient fro him, but I do think he was legitimately shaken up by it when I analyzed his body movements and speech pattern. If Palin hadn't mentioned "wife" and "reward in heaven" just a few minutes earlier, I don't think Biden would have choked up on that bit.
Anyways, sorry to come across as lumping you into a Palin supporter. I can see how I came off that way and I assure you that really wasn't my intent. It was more of me trying to prove a point that I really don't think Biden was faking when you add everything up. Good to see we're on a sociable level now and that we have a better understanding of where each other were coming from regarding our respective statements.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
I just want some logical consistency. You first claimed it to be a logical argument based on your gut, then you claimed it was a knee-jerk reactionary perception, after that it was a rational hate, and now it's an illogical reaction?
For it, then against it? Your current posting is an emotional tornado, and I'm trying to see who's the man standing in the eye of the storm.
Now, my take on it is that if you believe Biden was acting, then he should be working in Hollywood instead, because he'll out-perform 90% of the actors there. Ian McKellen, eat your heart out.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
OK, I'd really like to move on from this because I don't understand what you're gnawing at - if I thought it was a logical thing, I wouldn't have used the term "gut feeling" or "instinctual"
I don't think I'm an "emotional tornado" at the moment...i've been trying to get you guys to move on and drop it for . . .pages now? I'm sorry I think the guy is a phony...I, ah, hope I'm wrong? I don't think his stage manner is important to his policy, so even I don't care that much about the degree to which he was acting? And yes, for the record, I think national politicians posses many of the same talents and aptitudes as actors.
On stuttering: Biden has a stutter. Like, a real "pounds his fists against the posts" stutter he's pretty good at suppressing.
Well according to Biden biography he also stuttered a lot as a child.
Ah, I didn't know that. A stutter isn't the only reason I thought it was genuine, but I guess it's completely irrelevant now. Thanks for the info.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Well I could see him getting into an emotional moment and slipping into bad habits. Like if you ever upset someone with a speech impediment it usually rears its ugly head. So its a point for the genuineness of the moment.
I grew up with a few serious stutterers in my elementary school class. I can definitely pick up on the ticks when he gets upset, but if you follow his speech pattern closely you might notice how his cadence is very deliberate in such a way to minimize the chance of a slip. It's a technique he likely picked up in speech therapy.
I wish I knew how to describe it, honestly. It's almost like something I can only detect with my peripheral senses. James Earl Jones does it too sometimes (he also stuttered as a child).
if so
sorry mr joe biden
but you still shouldn't have voted for the patriot act.
(I know you can't vote against something called the patriot act but jeez man)
Palin's faux folkiness makes me physically ill.
"darn", "joe six-pack", etc
I don't have a stutter, but I am tongue tied, so I speak in much the same way.
Ed & Larry : "Doesn't matter."
I recently was gifted a thing in Steam. If it was from you, thank you very much!
She's a fucking caricature of middle americans. And yes, I do know some. She's the political version of Larry the Cable Guy.
I...I might have more respect for Larry the Cable Guy. D:
This is not a positive thought.
Hence "faux".
I mean, Israel's okay I guess, but when Palin says, "I am so encouraged to know that we both love Israel, and I think that's a good thing to agree on, and I respect your position", I mean, come on. There's pandering, and then there's pandering.
The McCain campaign absolutely MUST win Florida or they lose.
Hence, the jew lovin'.
"There is not a man of us who does not at times need a helping hand to be stretched out to him, and then shame upon him who will not stretch out the helping hand to his brother."
Oh, yeah. Indeed. And I'm sure that is what happened. However, for those that do not typically stutter, heightened emotion will often trigger this response. Police and other interrogators will sometimes use this tactic to check a persons response to see if they're telling the truth. You present a highly incendiary claim against them that you are trying to prove and then judge their response. Sometimes people will try to fake a stutter, rightfully believing that doing so is characteristic of intense emotion. A fake stutter is incredibly easy to spot. A real one has so many various characteristics that it's almost impossible to accurately fake without incredibly intense training.
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin
Sure you can. Kucinich did. Ron Paul did. People consider them kooks, but they were right about doing so. Things like the PATRIOT Act are exactly what Ben Franklin so adamantly spoke about when he said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Steam ID - BewilderedRonin