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Hey Let's Talk About Mormons!

tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
edited January 2009 in Debate and/or Discourse
Let's see if this goes anywhere. We were talking about Mitt Romney in the election thread and it devolved into talking about Mormonism, thus we arrive here.
Wikipedia wrote:
The Latter Day Saint movement is a group of Restorationist religious denominations and adherents who follow at least some of the teachings and revelations of Joseph Smith, Jr., publisher of the Book of Mormon in 1830. The Latter Day Saint movement is one of a number of separate movements, known collectively as Restorationism, intending to transcend Protestant denominationalism, and to restore a form of Christianity thought to be more consistent with the New Testament. The church founded by Joseph Smith, Jr. was first known as the Church of Christ. After Smith's death in 1844, the movement divided into several groups, the largest of which, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) migrated to Utah Territory and became known in the 19th century for its practice of plural marriage. The LDS Church discontinued this practice in 1890. Other denominations, who refer to themselves as Mormon fundamentalists, continued the practice.
Other groups originating within the Latter Day Saint movement followed different paths in Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. For the most part these groups rejected plural marriage and some of Smith's latest and most controversial or disputed teachings. The largest of these, the Community of Christ (originally known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), was formed in Missouri in 1860 by several groups uniting around Smith's son, Joseph Smith III. Most denominations existing today who follow the teachings of Joseph Smith, Jr. have some historical relationship with the movement.

Some stuff Mormons believe in (incomplete):
  • After Jesus' resurrection he travelled to the Americas
  • Everyone can receive messages from God (or be a prophet)
  • [strike]Plural Marriage[/strike] Not any more!
  • People should baptize their dead ancestors so they can join everyone in heaven
  • Black people were not allowed to be ordained or participate in temple ordinances (highest rituals) in the Mormon church until the 1970s


Some famous people are Mormons!
  • Mitt Romney!
  • Steve Young!
  • Orson Scott Card!
  • Glenn Beck!
  • The Osmonds!

So do what you will. I know Mormonism is scary and weird because it's new. Don't crap this up with "LOL MAGIC UNDERWEAR" or we're screwed.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A MORMON SO DON'T SHOOT ME IF I GOT THINGS WRONG

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Qingu wrote: »
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    Qingu wrote: »
    I used to have this awesome flowchart of Mormon cosmology and afterlife theology. I copied it down from someone who worked at a Mormon daycare center.

    Let's see if I remember.

    •*When your soul starts out, there's a 33% chance that it gets thrown into "outer darkness," with Satan. The rest of the souls are born onto earth.

    • On earth, you can get saved by Jesus, so when you die, you go to one of three levels of heaven.

    • The first level is called the terrestial sphere. It's kind of normal.

    • The second level is called the telestial sphere. I think it's a little better than earth.

    • The third, top, level is called the celestial sphere. This is the place to be. In fact, a small number of people in the celestial sphere get to go off to other planets, where they become Gods of their own world. Our God is actually one such example of this.

    •*Some people die without being saved, but they aren't immediately thrown into outer darkness. The people from the three spheres have a chance to a purgatory-like place and save them.

    (I'm probably remembering a lot of the details wrong. Mormons—please verify!)

    I was raised in a Mormon church til I was about 14 yrs old.
    I don’t remember anything about a 33% chance of failure for new souls
    But one thing that was very prominent was the belief in baptism for the dead. Meaning people on earth can be baptized on behalf of those who died without being baptized themselves. Doing so saves them from the "Outer Darkness"
    That’s why Mormons are so big on genealogy
    We used to make long roadtrips to the nearest Temple and have weekend long baptism sessions in these crazy big baptismal fountains sitting on top of golden bull statues which represented the original tribes in the americas.

    I also remember an elder telling me that I was not to discuss what goes on in the temple with people outside the church.

    meh.
    Give us the goods!

    Eh, I could probably just look it up on Wikipedia. I should really get around to reading the Book of Mormon one of these days. My mom gave me a copy—she stole it from a hotel room in Utah.

    They also have books called the Pearl of Great Price, The 13 Articles of Faith, and the Doctrine of Covenants
    as the basis of thier religon.
    Being just a kid, all this shit seemed normal to me. Looking back now, it seems pretty damn far out there

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

    You sure he's not Jehovah's Witness?

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  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Zenitram wrote: »
    Sakebomb wrote: »

    I was raised in a Mormon church til I was about 14 yrs old.
    I don’t remember anything about a 33% chance of failure for new souls
    But one thing that was very prominent was the belief in baptism for the dead. Meaning people on earth can be baptized on behalf of those who died without being baptized themselves. Doing so saves them from the "Outer Darkness"
    That’s why Mormons are so big on genealogy
    We used to make long roadtrips to the nearest Temple and have weekend long baptism sessions in these crazy big baptismal fountains sitting on top of golden bull statues which represented the original tribes in the americas.

    I also remember an elder telling me that I was not to discuss what goes on in the temple with people outside the church.

    meh.

    Well since you are already a blasphemer, perhaps you could answer a question I've had for a while:

    Is it true there is a certain room in a Mormon temple where newlywed couples consummate the marriage?

    Only thing I remember about couples who got married in the temple was that their vows are different in the aspect that they are sealed for all of eternity, as opposed to the traditional "Til death do us part"

    Families can also request to visit the temple to be "sealed"
    My father tried to pressure my mother and I to do it even though they were divorced and I had abandoned my faith

  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

    You sure he's not Jehovah's Witness?

    Yeah, I distinctly remember celebrating xmas as a kid. Tree and all.

  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    They also have books called the Pearl of Great Price, The 13 Articles of Faith, and the Doctrine of Covenants
    as the basis of thier religon.
    Being just a kid, all this shit seemed normal to me. Looking back now, it seems pretty damn far out there
    As Speaker said, I think it's par for the course for religious doctrine. I mean, look at mainstream Christianity—Jesus is wholly human and wholly God at the same time? He died to save humanity from being tortured for sinning against himself, God? It is literally nonsense, and I can see why Muslim apologists constantly make fun of Christians for believing in the Trinity.

    And the Old Testament ... the Genesis creation and flood stories are straight-up Babylonian mythology. If you replaced the name "Yahweh" with "Marduk" and personified the chaotic waters a little more you would have the Enuma Elish. The flood story is almost identical with flood stories in two Babylonian myths that predate the Bible by hundreds of years. And don't get me started on the Leviticus sacrifice system, with its instructions to adequately salt and season the sacrifices because "Yahweh loves salt" (and don't forget to give the corrupt priesthood a cut of the sacrifice, of course.)

    /rant. Mormonism is just a newer cult; it seems stupider because people are more used to the older, stupid cults.

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

    You sure he's not Jehovah's Witness?

    Would there be a religious reason if he is?

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

    You sure he's not Jehovah's Witness?

    Would there be a religious reason if he is?

    Yes. They don't celebrate any holidays or birthdays.

    I imagine it's kind of like the religious equivalent to being really depressed.

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    wrote:
    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Ok, maybe some of you can fill me in on this:

    We got a Mormon guy at work here who will simply not have anything to do with Birthdays or holidays like Christmas. What's up with this? Is he just being a douche or is there something religious to this?

    You sure he's not Jehovah's Witness?

    Would there be a religious reason if he is?

    Yes. They don't celebrate any holidays or birthdays.

    I imagine it's kind of like the religious equivalent to being really depressed.

    On the plus side, aren't they the ones initially responsible for removing the obligatory Pledge of Allegiance?

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  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I don't think Mormon doctrines are significantly crazier than mainstream Christian beliefs. Are divine underpants really farther out there than a cosmic Jewish zombie who is his own father that sacrifices himself to save humanity from his own judgment?

    Mostly I judge Mormons as individual "asshole / not asshole", much the same way I judge other Christians. In general, "not asshole" wins out, but there's a Glenn Beck in every sect.

    That cosmology Qingu posted earlier sounds like a D&D supplement, though. <img class=" title=":lol:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

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  • Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User
    edited October 2008
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!

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  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

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  • BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Mormons as a group are probably the second best religion at football, trailing only Catholics. Pretty sharp at baseball too.

    I was far more annoyed at Scientologist Katie Holmes showing up in Batman movies than I was Mormon Aaron Eckhart, though that has more to do with, you know, actual acting talent.

    Mormons will tell you to vote for Orrin Hatch, Harry Reid, and Pedro.

  • TheSuperWootTheSuperWoot Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    templewulf wrote: »
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I've knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

    I'm not a Mormon myself but I've lived in SLC all my life and as I understand it they're not supposed to drink caffeine.

    Probably a quarter of the people I know are Mormon and I've never seen anyone practice this though.

  • DrakeonDrakeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    templewulf wrote: »
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I've knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

    They don't drink caffeine, although the inclusion of Tea kind of leads me to believe that it may be something more? Tea doesn't have caffeine does it?

    Edit: Apparently its not the caffeine that prohibits coffee drinking >_>

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  • Monolithic_DomeMonolithic_Dome Registered User
    edited October 2008
    templewulf wrote: »
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?


    There's a whole section of Mormon doctrine that lays out a bunch of lifestyle prohibitions, referred to as the word of wisdom. It's kinda like the mormon version of eating Kosher. One of the things it prohibits is "hot drinks," which is generally thought to include Coffee and (black) Tea. Intrepretations of the various prohibitions in this document vary widely, even geographically.

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hot drinks?

    No hot cocoa? No spiced, hot cider?

    :(

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    How did I miss this thread, there is somuch debunking to be doing. also im giving plasma so i have to type with one hand. to start off, the front page says that blacks were not allowed into the church untill the 70's. this is a complete lie, they were prohibited from recieving the priesthood, such a reason which is too depth to talk about right now. there is a book called "the truth about mormons and blacks" written by the first black person to recieve the priesthood, you could check that out for starters.

    oh this is going to be fun...

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • DaemonionDaemonion Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I dated a mormon girl in high school for a little over two years.

    Yea, she had a baby at 17, like one year after we broke up.


    Technically, she wasn't even supposed to date me. Oh well.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Drakeon wrote: »
    templewulf wrote: »
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I've knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

    They don't drink caffeine, although the inclusion of Tea kind of leads me to believe that it may be something more? Tea doesn't have caffeine does it?

    Edit: Apparently its not the caffeine that prohibits coffee drinking >_>

    What???

  • DrakeonDrakeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Daemonion wrote: »
    I dated a mormon girl in high school for a little over two years.

    Yea, she had a baby at 17, like one year after we broke up.

    Was she married at the time? Mormons tend to get married crazy young from what I've noticed.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Drakeon wrote: »
    Daemonion wrote: »
    I dated a mormon girl in high school for a little over two years.

    Yea, she had a baby at 17, like one year after we broke up.

    Was she married at the time? Mormons tend to get married crazy young from what I've noticed.

    Nope. Just felt like having wild, unprotected sex.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    No hot drinks so iced tea is just fine!

    Some interpret "hot" to mean caffeinated, so Coke is also out.

  • eHeroeHero Registered User
    edited October 2008
    To be fair, polygamy was never widespread through Mormons even when it was at it's height. When polygamy was the most widespread, it was only practiced by about 10% of them. It was a radical and controversial issue among them even then. It's extremely misleading to say that mormons simply believed in polygamy.

    It's not misleading at all actually. Section 132 of "The Doctrine and Covenants" declared that a man can't enter Heaven unless he's married at least three women. I paraphrased. And I'm not sure that's in the current edition, and no, I can't tell you what edition it would be in.

    And apparently it was so widespread among Mormons that James Buchanan sent the U.S. Army into Utah to dismantle the then Brigham Young led church due to the anti-polygamy sentiment that had gripped the country.

    Just because it fell out of favor and it's historical importance removed from the teachings, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and wasn't at one point, one of the most important aspects of the religion.

    The nice thing about Mormonism is that all their beliefs, from the beginning of the religion to current day, are all available to research. Everything's been published, so it's easy to have an actual, fact-based discussion about it.

    And just for the record, I prefer any religion that I am a part of to have its central figure long dead and untouchable. I'm not saying I hold to a particular belief, I'm just saying I don't want to personally know my prophet. That's just ripe for a big letdown.

  • SakebombSakebomb Registered User
    edited October 2008
    templewulf wrote: »
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

    Yup, thats true. Caffeine affects the way your brain works and is therefore considered a "drug" to mormons

    EDIT: Checked out MoDo's link. I guess it all depends on what "Ward" youre in then

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    On the subjct of the word of wisdom it includes, tobaco, alcohol, drugs, coffee and tea, and when i say tea i mean black, green nd iced tea. The main reason for tea is that it is a stimulant, as far as coffee, its not specificaly the caffine,point in case for me is that i know the comandment is true, so im willing to obey it. there are also lots of new studies showing the danger of coffee,(tanic acid).

    something interestig to note is that when Joseph Smith recieved this revelation in 1833, the medical dangers of these substances were not known, in fact back then, peop0le claimed that tobacco made you stronger, it wasnt untill the 1930s when we discovered the dangers of it. As for soda that contains caffine, its not prohibited, we can drink coke and go t the temple, but it is cauioned against, and i have made an effot to not drink dr pepper(as wel as ny soda because its just unhealthy)

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Fuck Mormonism. You know the whole debacle with creationists trying to get into biology classrooms? Archaeologists and Egyptologists have had to deal with similar shit from Mormons for far longer because their religion says that Joseph Smith found some plates written in "reformed Egyptian" and that Native Americans are direct descendants from Hebrews and other such nonsense.

    Are Mormon teachings any less batshit insane than other Christian teachings? Perhaps not, but the insanity of their claims are much more apparent because of the fact that Mormonism started in recent history so there is a wealth of good historical information that we can look at regarding their claims and many of their claims are easily falsifiable with modern science. For example, Native Americans definitely did not come from Hebrews.

    Also, their religion was supposedly given to them by a being named Moroni. MORONi. Come on. That says it right there.

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  • Premier kakosPremier kakos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Sakebomb wrote: »
    templewulf wrote: »
    I love how people mix up Mormonism with some of the other "fringier" sects of christianity?

    No birthday parties? Nope that's the Jehovah's Witnesses
    Can't take medication? Try again! Christian Scientists
    Church is on Saturday? Nope! Seventh Day Adventist
    Speaking in Tongues? You were looking for Pentecostals
    I knew all of those.
    Coffee and Tea are evil? Bingo! we have a winner!
    I've never even heard of this. What do Mormons have against tea?

    Yup, thats true. Caffeine affects the way your brain works and is therefore considered a "drug" to mormons

    EDIT: Checked out MoDo's link. I guess it all depends on what "Ward" youre in then

    I wish Mormons would take that belief to its logical conclusion. Sugar affects the way your brain works. They need to stop eating all sugars.

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  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    eHero wrote: »

    It's not misleading at all actually. Section 132 of "The Doctrine and Covenants" declared that a man can't enter Heaven unless he's married at least three women. I paraphrased. And I'm not sure that's in the current edition, and no, I can't tell you what edition it would be in.

    wrong, i have no idea how you came to that conlusion, it says we have to accept the doctrne of polygamy when comanded by the lord, there is no given number that you have to marry however many wives.

    And apparently it was so widespread among Mormons that James Buchanan sent the U.S. Army into Utah to dismantle the then Brigham Young led church due to the anti-polygamy sentiment that had gripped the country.

    that was not because of polygamy, utah had been trying to become a state for some time, unfortunately due to the anti mormon sentiments that existed long before polygamy was announced, the teritory kept recieving corrupt govenors who often left their post after some scandal (like calling mormon wome whores or getting caught with a gentile prostitute) the returned with ill feelings to the church and spread lies of rebellion, thankfully for people like Doniphan. a non mormon politician, it was eventully stopped,
    Just because it fell out of favor and it's historical importance removed from the teachings, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and wasn't at one point, one of the most important aspects of the religion.

    we dont deny that we practiced it, in fact saying on the front page that we do not believe in the doctrine of polygamy any more is untrue, we do stll believe in the doctrine of polygamy, but do not practice it because it is not needed any more .
    The nice thing about Mormonism is that all their beliefs, from the beginning of the religion to current day, are all available to research. Everything's been published, so it's easy to have an actual, fact-based discussion about it.

    itd be nice if you were using facts

    And just for the record, I prefer any religion that I am a part of to have its central figure long dead and untouchable. I'm not saying I hold to a particular belief, I'm just saying I don't want to personally know my prophet. That's just ripe for a big letdown.[/QUOTE]

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    They.. they are using facts.

  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    How did I miss this thread, there is somuch debunking to be doing. also im giving plasma so i have to type with one hand. to start off, the front page says that blacks were not allowed into the church untill the 70's. this is a complete lie, they were prohibited from recieving the priesthood, such a reason which is too depth to talk about right now. there is a book called "the truth about mormons and blacks" written by the first black person to recieve the priesthood, you could check that out for starters.

    oh this is going to be fun...

    I don't think it's going to be as fun as you think it is. The only thing that makes Mormanism slightly more palatable then Scientology is the fact that we've been trying to throw it up for longer.

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  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Magus` wrote: »
    They.. they are using facts.


    o when i prove that a claim is false, its still a fact? intersting...

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Your argument that it is false is "Na na, I don't believe you!"

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Magus` wrote: »
    Your argument that it is false is "Na na, I don't believe you!"

    my argument is, everything you mention i havealready studied for my self, then provided a rational response which you in turn, ignore

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You have studied edited/revised documents. This has already been mentioned.

  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User
    edited October 2008
    On the subjct of the word of wisdom it includes, tobaco, alcohol, drugs, coffee and tea, and when i say tea i mean black, green nd iced tea. The main reason for tea is that it is a stimulant, as far as coffee, its not specificaly the caffine,point in case for me is that i know the comandment is true, so im willing to obey it. there are also lots of new studies showing the danger of coffee,(tanic acid).
    I agree that caffeine is to be considered a drug. I also think that drugs are just fine (certainly a potential health risk, but beneficial in non-physical ways).

    Here's what's so tricky about mormons for me: in my experience, they're really nice people, even though their beliefs aren't based in reality (kind of like Scientologists, but a dash less brainwashy). You've traded truth for happiness, and on some level, there's no way to argue with that.

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  • DmanDman Registered User
    edited October 2008
    Are we debating the tenets and merits of a specific religion or is this a joke thread? If it isn't the latter can we try to convert it?

  • Element BrianElement Brian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Magus` wrote: »
    You have studied edited/revised documents. This has already been mentioned.


    So any claim i use, you reply that it is false information from a biased source, where as any information you use, is most likely from an anti mormon source that distorts the truth and leaves out important information, oh this is sur to go somewhere quick

    I like the idea of the carbonation in your pop being too much for your mormon body

    too worldly nooooo
  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Magus` wrote: »
    They.. they are using facts.


    o when i prove that a claim is false, its still a fact? intersting...

    well, at least Mormanism still has the same standard of "proof" as every other religion.

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    When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
    'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
  • KratosmasterKratosmaster Registered User
    edited October 2008
    This thread is bookmarked.

    By the way, what you could do, is you know, start posting actual sources. Both sides. Should be good fun.

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