Regardless, it's not about which medium has the craziest shit, but rather which group of writers is better able to approach the subject matter and present it in a way that the audience can accept.
If they'd had a throw-away line earlier in the film about how they had adamantium bullets on hand to put Wolverine down, then it would've seemed like less of a cop out to bring them up later. Course, even that wouldn't explain how a weapon designed explicitly for killing Logan somehow just manages to give him amnesia instead.
Bullets in your brain giving you amnesia makes about as much sense as drinking to remember.
I don't mean it doesn't make sense in the way that optic blasts don't make sense. I mean they don't make sense in the sense that it's completely unexpected and not even justified in the context of the setting. They might as well have made him drink Amnesia Beer.
I think it's partially that it's a cop-out kind of twist and almost insulting to the audience. It'd be like the bad guy dramatically pulling out a case and saying "Ok, for the teleporting guy we've got teleporting bullets, for the diamond girl we've got diamond bullets, and for the fat guy we've got cholesterol bullets."
I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
I think it's partially that it's a cop-out kind of twist and almost insulting to the audience. It'd be like the bad guy dramatically pulling out a case and saying "Ok, for the teleporting guy we've got teleporting bullets, for the diamond girl we've got diamond bullets, and for the fat guy we've got cholesterol bullets."
I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
He doesn't need a kryptonite. As the movie itself points out, you could probably kill Wolverine if you decapitated him. There are a bunch of other ways too.
The only reason the bullets are there is because they needed to explain why he can't remember anything. Unfortunately, they went with a really shitty reason that makes the connection between this film and the X-Men films feel like an afterthought rather than a suitable bridge that sheds further light on Wolverine's character and motives.
Hey also, wouldn't that mean he's got two holes in his skull forever? And wouldn't that have come up at some point? And wouldn't they have found the adamantium bullets still lodged in his brain someplace? Or did they come out the back and he's got four holes? This hokey solution doesn't really solve anything!
I dunno how the gun was used anyways considering the guy whose mutant power it was to shoot guns wasn't there.
Seriously, they sent that guy out who was amazing with guns, and then after he died, they were like, oops, guess we should have given him this super gun with the super bullets. Oh well...
Man, they had the answer to this Wolverine thing sitting in their canon the whole time. I was looking for Agent Zero's back-story because I wasn't that familiar with him and I ran across this sentance:
"Zero also once used a sniper rifle loaded with bullets forged of Adamantium-piercing "anti-metal"."
I'm pretty sure the concept of anti-metal broke my brain. I'm leaving this thread now.
It seems to me that the explanation for Wolverine's memory loss is that the adamantium bullets damaged his brain which caused memory loss. Doesn't that mean that prior to getting the metal skeleton, any brain damage Wolverine suffered would have caused him to lose his memory? Also, wouldn't shooting Wolverine in the eye have exactly the same effect?
Why couldn't they just have said that the process of bonding the adamantium was so traumatic that Wolverine lost his memory then. Surely that would have made more sense than having magic bullets do it.
It seems to me that the explanation for Wolverine's memory loss is that the adamantium bullets damaged his brain which caused memory loss. Doesn't that mean that prior to getting the metal skeleton, any brain damage Wolverine suffered would have caused him to lose his memory? Also, wouldn't shooting Wolverine in the eye have exactly the same effect?
Why couldn't they just have said that the process of bonding the adamantium was so traumatic that Wolverine lost his memory then. Surely that would have made more sense than having magic bullets do it.
Wasn't that how they pulled it off in the comics and show? He's constantly flashing back to it, like it's the first thing new "Logan" remembers.
It seems to me that the explanation for Wolverine's memory loss is that the adamantium bullets damaged his brain which caused memory loss. Doesn't that mean that prior to getting the metal skeleton, any brain damage Wolverine suffered would have caused him to lose his memory? Also, wouldn't shooting Wolverine in the eye have exactly the same effect?
Why couldn't they just have said that the process of bonding the adamantium was so traumatic that Wolverine lost his memory then. Surely that would have made more sense than having magic bullets do it.
Wasn't that how they pulled it off in the comics and show? He's constantly flashing back to it, like it's the first thing new "Logan" remembers.
I think the game had a better explination on why Logon doesn't remember.
His girlfriend Kayla is a hypnosis mutant who with physical contact can trick you into anything. After Logan is show in the head he touches him and tells him "I know you want to forget everything, but if you do eventually remember. Remember I love you" then for some reason she just walks into the lake and disappears/drowns never to be seen again. This is also after they used the Weapon-X helmet to try and wipe his memory and shot him in the head with the "magic" bullet.
Yeah the memory loss thing was where I too drew the line. I remember someone talking about how you need to suspend disbelief on a comic movie, but that was over the line.
It's like, in Superman I can believe a man can fly, but if when he's flying his hair doesn't move and his cape don't flutter, I call bull crap.
Same thing with Wolverine, I can believe that a dude is super awesome at healing, but I can't believe that two bullets would cause a memory loss.
It was just too unbelievable.
Yeah the memory loss thing was where I too drew the line. I remember someone talking about how you need to suspend disbelief on a comic movie, but that was over the line.
It's like, in Superman I can believe a man can fly, but if when he's flying his hair doesn't move and his cape don't flutter, I call bull crap.
Same thing with Wolverine, I can believe that a dude is super awesome at healing, but I can't believe that two bullets would cause a memory loss.
It was just too unbelievable.
Seems perfectly believable to me. The physical structure of his brain was healed, but the electrical patterns that make up his memories was scrambled to shit and back.
Scientific implausibilities doesn't make a bad comic movie. Batman had em, Ironman had em, ohoho lordy the other x-men films had em. There's plenty to complain about with wolverine but wondering how imaginary bullets in a regenerator cause amnesia is asinine.
so are we assuming the adamantium bullet could penetrate the adamantium covering his skull to get to the brain, or just that the impact of the bullet bouncing off his skull scrambled his brains, and the healing factor wiped those memories?
You gotta think the movie's done something REALLY fuckin wrong if THIS is the key question being turned in people's heads after leaving the theater.
I think it's partially that it's a cop-out kind of twist and almost insulting to the audience. It'd be like the bad guy dramatically pulling out a case and saying "Ok, for the teleporting guy we've got teleporting bullets, for the diamond girl we've got diamond bullets, and for the fat guy we've got cholesterol bullets."
I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
He doesn't need a kryptonite. As the movie itself points out, you could probably kill Wolverine if you decapitated him. There are a bunch of other ways too.
You would still need a way to sever through his Adamantium spine yea? Sooo, not as easy as it seems.
I think it's partially that it's a cop-out kind of twist and almost insulting to the audience. It'd be like the bad guy dramatically pulling out a case and saying "Ok, for the teleporting guy we've got teleporting bullets, for the diamond girl we've got diamond bullets, and for the fat guy we've got cholesterol bullets."
I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
He doesn't need a kryptonite. As the movie itself points out, you could probably kill Wolverine if you decapitated him. There are a bunch of other ways too.
You would still need a way to sever through his Adamantium spine yea? Sooo, not as easy as it seems.
...you are aware that the spine is a series of distinct bones?
It seems to me that the explanation for Wolverine's memory loss is that the adamantium bullets damaged his brain which caused memory loss. Doesn't that mean that prior to getting the metal skeleton, any brain damage Wolverine suffered would have caused him to lose his memory? Also, wouldn't shooting Wolverine in the eye have exactly the same effect?
Why couldn't they just have said that the process of bonding the adamantium was so traumatic that Wolverine lost his memory then. Surely that would have made more sense than having magic bullets do it.
Wasn't that how they pulled it off in the comics and show? He's constantly flashing back to it, like it's the first thing new "Logan" remembers.
I think the game had a better explination on why Logon doesn't remember.
His girlfriend Kayla is a hypnosis mutant who with physical contact can trick you into anything. After Logan is show in the head he touches him and tells him "I know you want to forget everything, but if you do eventually remember. Remember I love you" then for some reason she just walks into the lake and disappears/drowns never to be seen again. This is also after they used the Weapon-X helmet to try and wipe his memory and shot him in the head with the "magic" bullet.
Man its sad they had a plausible out for his memory loss starring them in the face
Not only plausible, but a little poignant. This "oops, you got shot in the head" shit is both full of holes and a disservice to how his amnesia affects the character's development.
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A few hundred times. He had layers and layers of implanted memories. It was one of the ways authors generally kept fucking with him. His history was constantly being retconned to his face.
I think the actors in the movie were pretty damn good.
I think the script and special effects were utter crap.
Why were Wolverine and Creed selected for the 'team'? In the two missions we see, Wolverine contributes NOTHING and all Creed does is play brute. Actually, the whole 'team' attack on the Nigerian guy's building was way stupid. What happened to teamwork?
The entire first half of the film felt way too rushed. And Ryan Reynolds was way, way underused. I kinda want a Deadpool movie now. But only...
A few hundred times. He had layers and layers of implanted memories. It was one of the ways authors generally kept fucking with him. His history was constantly being retconned to his face.
I think Origins (The comic) established that his memory loss was due to his brain constantly "healing" over itself in order to spare him the memory of traumatic events.
I'm still kinda torn between watching the movie and not. On one hand, nothing I read/heard has made me go out and spend money on the thing, but on the other hand, I really do want a Deadpool/Reynolds movie.
A few hundred times. He had layers and layers of implanted memories. It was one of the ways authors generally kept fucking with him. His history was constantly being retconned to his face.
I think Origins (The comic) established that his memory loss was due to his brain constantly "healing" over itself in order to spare him the memory of traumatic events.
I started reading Origins but I just disliked it so much that I never finished it. I really just preferred the whole idea that he had been a secret agent so long and knew where so many bodies where buried that it just became a joke in the spy community to wipe his mind. And it established what his relationship with Sabertooth was. Which kinda removed a layer of the way Sabertooth would always fuck with him.
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I think it's partially that it's a cop-out kind of twist and almost insulting to the audience. It'd be like the bad guy dramatically pulling out a case and saying "Ok, for the teleporting guy we've got teleporting bullets, for the diamond girl we've got diamond bullets, and for the fat guy we've got cholesterol bullets."
I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
He doesn't need a kryptonite. As the movie itself points out, you could probably kill Wolverine if you decapitated him. There are a bunch of other ways too.
You would still need a way to sever through his Adamantium spine yea? Sooo, not as easy as it seems.
Its only the bones that are encased in metal. All the cartalidge and ligaments are normal so he can you know...move and not be a immortal living statue. Hell Hulk ripped him in half because the ligaments between the vertabre tore apart.
A few hundred times. He had layers and layers of implanted memories. It was one of the ways authors generally kept fucking with him. His history was constantly being retconned to his face.
I think Origins (The comic) established that his memory loss was due to his brain constantly "healing" over itself in order to spare him the memory of traumatic events.
I started reading Origins but I just disliked it so much that I never finished it. I really just preferred the whole idea that he had been a secret agent so long and knew where so many bodies where buried that it just became a joke in the spy community to wipe his mind. And it established what his relationship with Sabertooth was. Which kinda removed a layer of the way Sabertooth would always fuck with him.
The thing about Origin that sort of bug me was that
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Though I'm still annoyed at just how much of a goody-goody the movie Wolverine is. In the comics he definitely was in the anti hero mold.
Regardless, it's not about which medium has the craziest shit, but rather which group of writers is better able to approach the subject matter and present it in a way that the audience can accept.
If they'd had a throw-away line earlier in the film about how they had adamantium bullets on hand to put Wolverine down, then it would've seemed like less of a cop out to bring them up later. Course, even that wouldn't explain how a weapon designed explicitly for killing Logan somehow just manages to give him amnesia instead.
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I don't mean it doesn't make sense in the way that optic blasts don't make sense. I mean they don't make sense in the sense that it's completely unexpected and not even justified in the context of the setting. They might as well have made him drink Amnesia Beer.
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I mean, why not? If Wolverine was exactly completely invulnerable, than the movie would have been boring. The bullets were his kryptonite...kinda. Memory-wise. You understand. It explains why in all the movies he can't remember anything.
He doesn't need a kryptonite. As the movie itself points out, you could probably kill Wolverine if you decapitated him. There are a bunch of other ways too.
The only reason the bullets are there is because they needed to explain why he can't remember anything. Unfortunately, they went with a really shitty reason that makes the connection between this film and the X-Men films feel like an afterthought rather than a suitable bridge that sheds further light on Wolverine's character and motives.
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You just have to cast it and put it in a cartridge w/ primer and powder. The whole point is why would you want to do that?
Seriously, they sent that guy out who was amazing with guns, and then after he died, they were like, oops, guess we should have given him this super gun with the super bullets. Oh well...
"Zero also once used a sniper rifle loaded with bullets forged of Adamantium-piercing "anti-metal"."
I'm pretty sure the concept of anti-metal broke my brain. I'm leaving this thread now.
Why couldn't they just have said that the process of bonding the adamantium was so traumatic that Wolverine lost his memory then. Surely that would have made more sense than having magic bullets do it.
Wasn't that how they pulled it off in the comics and show? He's constantly flashing back to it, like it's the first thing new "Logan" remembers.
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I think the game had a better explination on why Logon doesn't remember.
It's like, in Superman I can believe a man can fly, but if when he's flying his hair doesn't move and his cape don't flutter, I call bull crap.
Same thing with Wolverine, I can believe that a dude is super awesome at healing, but I can't believe that two bullets would cause a memory loss.
It was just too unbelievable.
Seems perfectly believable to me. The physical structure of his brain was healed, but the electrical patterns that make up his memories was scrambled to shit and back.
You gotta think the movie's done something REALLY fuckin wrong if THIS is the key question being turned in people's heads after leaving the theater.
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You would still need a way to sever through his Adamantium spine yea? Sooo, not as easy as it seems.
...you are aware that the spine is a series of distinct bones?
A few hundred times. He had layers and layers of implanted memories. It was one of the ways authors generally kept fucking with him. His history was constantly being retconned to his face.
I think the script and special effects were utter crap.
The entire first half of the film felt way too rushed. And Ryan Reynolds was way, way underused. I kinda want a Deadpool movie now. But only...
I think Origins (The comic) established that his memory loss was due to his brain constantly "healing" over itself in order to spare him the memory of traumatic events.
I started reading Origins but I just disliked it so much that I never finished it. I really just preferred the whole idea that he had been a secret agent so long and knew where so many bodies where buried that it just became a joke in the spy community to wipe his mind. And it established what his relationship with Sabertooth was. Which kinda removed a layer of the way Sabertooth would always fuck with him.
Its only the bones that are encased in metal. All the cartalidge and ligaments are normal so he can you know...move and not be a immortal living statue. Hell Hulk ripped him in half because the ligaments between the vertabre tore apart.
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The thing about Origin that sort of bug me was that